Yeah, my point was literally take it easy in the modding thread and wait for the patch. Following the patch, after everyone thought that nothing would be done, progress was made. From the modders who I've seen comment on the patch and one that I asked personally, the changes are positive.Do you? Every now and then, some new guys are popping up in the singleplayer section or this section of the forum without needing your defence of "don't be toxic guys, it will scare the new guys". They are giving their feedback, their experience with the game. Regulars and those toxic people here already did this and continue doing this. What did you do exactly if you want best for this game and for TW to improve. A big f nothing. All you did is "take it easy guys, TW will deliver what you want eventually". What you are doing is a clown act either consciously or unconsciously.
I also have no delusions of being some sort of righteous crusader battling for the future of TW. Most likely what I do here will have no effect on the outcome of TW and BL. The critiques have been made, and they are still being made, which is good. People who are more prominent in the community are making them, and I am glad for that. In terms of what I can do, well, I want to attack the weaker points, such as BL being a grift and try to stop people from acting like this is the worst thing to ever happen. People who freak out and bash devs and call the game trash and a grift aren't going to get anything done either, only making this forum look worse.
They don't, they really don't. Disagreeing with you on multiple points does not mean I do not understand your headspace.Because your actions as explained above clearly indicates this.
I'm biased towards attacking the weakest points brought against TW and BL. I've never gone "Hey guys, the game is great, you all just can't understand how great it is". If me trying to give you pushback on your points means that I am a shill for TW, then you're in a cult that can't fathom someone not totally going with every point that you make.You're not balanced in your views. You're clearly biased towards defending the game, the company, and their practices, and biased against seemingly all forms of criticism. I have not seen much criticism from you at all. Just apologetics, which is strange. Calling this game a grift not in the literal sense, but in the allegorical and symbolic sense, is not far out there. The game was deceptively marketed and promises were made and not kept.
Also, I still disagree with this game being a grift. It would be a grift if they released the EA and then did nothing else with it for eight years, however they have continued to work on the game. They haven't even silenced the backlash on the forums which, while small, does mean that they have people who are listening to it. And, as shown earlier in the thread, the dev team isn't as large as people earlier though, meaning that development will be slower. Is it slower because of a console port? Yeah. Should they postpone the console port? Yeah. However, management currently isn't doing that, so the game's development time will be slower.
Yeah, in terms of being a proper sequel, this game does fall flat in many aspects. From features such as feasts and sieges, the game is worse off then WB in those aspects, I've never denied that. And yeah, it is a grind fest, which is something that does annoy me as I don't always have the time to grind out everything that I need in order to really succeed. However, I don't think that this is embarrassing. They are still working on the game, and haven't stopped. Embarrassing would be giving up and saying "**** it, this is what you get assholes", but no, development is still going. Yeah, it isn't in a good state right now, but, again, the game is in EA, it makes sense that it is in this state. If the game had been released fully and was in this state still then yes, that would be an embarrassment.The game is in its final stages, this is it. Sure, the game can be very fun, and it isn't "terrible" in the grand scheme of things, but compared to the previous games and considering the tools, manpower, and budget compared to before, this is one sorry prequel. The game is incredibly frustrating in many other ways, and it's a massive, slugging grind fest, in a lot of ways worse than the previous games. This is not what the game was hyped up to be. Sieges not being fixed for this long isn't embarrassing to you? It's hard to take you seriously when you don't find this ridiculous..
I have never labeled anyone "newfag" or the like.
Thanks, I was being oppressed a bit by the Man.
I'm afraid there's a never-ending supply of "it's early access, stop complaining" new***s and nothing would change that except the cold, hard reality of a release.
I've always said that I understand your outrage, however I disagree with a lot that has been said. Just because I disagree doesn't mean that I don't understand, and I shouldn't have to agree in order to understand. And yeah, in its current state, it is a letdown to the major fans of the series. However, I do think that it will begin to start to improve with time.Also, the reason why you probably hear such statements as "you don't understand our pain", is because you don't come across as very sympathetic or understanding of the other side's frustration and feeling of betrayal. It just doesn't seem like you do understand. If you've followed this game's development over those many years closely, this is a total letdown. And it's not a letdown that's been improving significantly, or seemingly will.
Overall, I am quite frankly annoyed with the whole "You're a shill" argument. I disagree with a lot of you, but I don't disagree with how annoyed you are. While I do think calming down would be nice, I do get why people aren't calm in the first place. I don't want TW to just sit idly by and do nothing, I want them to continue to work on their game until it is a proper sequel. Also, if I'm being quite frank, a few people on this forum are just immature. I attacked the points made in this thread and now it has just devolved into attacks on character instead of attacks on the actual points being made. Not once did I insult the intelligence of those arguing, of course if I did I apologize, however, that has just boiled down to me just not being a real fan. If there is nothing more to say on the topic of this game being a grift, which some of us will just forever disagree on, then I see no real purpose in continuing this, as this conversation will just endlessly go in circles with people each attacking how dedicated they are to this game.