Banner that's not in use?

[edbzoso]

Apologies for a question that I'm sure has been asked and answered a million times, I did search.  Feel free to just direct me to previous discussions rather than taking the time to answer directly.

Is there a banner that is not in use by a lord so that I can have a banner that is unique?  If not, is there some mod that adds banners (ADDS, not just modifies) so that I can have a unique banner?  It just seems odd that I have to share my banner with another lord.

 

[Lord Kinlar]

Vanilla WB -unless it's fixed in latest patches- assigns the same banner to several lords- and doesn't even use all of the banners (textures). I have fixed this in my mod and added additional banners (up to banners_o), plus planned an overhaul of the entire faction banners. Although I ran out of inspiration while working on new Vaegir banners and stopped working on it for the time being. I will post it when I think it's ready. Here's a preview of new Swadian banners, which is currently the only one completed.

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[Moldri]

It just seems odd that I have to share my banner with another lord.

After you choose a banner that's already in use with some other lord, he will be assigned a new one.

 

[Lord Kinlar]

After you choose a banner that's already in use with some other lord, he will be assigned a new one.

True, but there's no guarantee that the newly assigned banner isn't shared by another lord and you can't do anything if there are more than one shared banners.

FYI, you might have noticed that WB doesn't use the banners in banners_f. It is because the Sarranid banners which should have taken the banners_g prefix, use the banners_f prefix instead, which causes the banners in banners_f become obsolete.

 

[JosieJ]

Those are really great, Lord Kinlar!  Right now, I'm using Better Banners, which are fairly nice, but I'd love to switch to yours once they're finished!

 

[Lord Kinlar]

In WB there's a restriction that prevents Khergit and Sarranid banners from being assigned to lords of other factions. I apply this to all faction banners in my mod so that all faction lords are assigned proper banners of their factions, not just Khergits and Sarranids.

Anyway, here's a preview of additional banners in my mod.

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These ones are from banners_h to banners_o. When finished, the mod will contain these, plus overhauled faction banners. I have no intention to change Khergit and Sarranid banners though. Had to fill up lots of banner sheets, so I had to use variations of the same banner. Also if you've noticed (in the new Swadian banners above), I've added similar banners for fathers & sons, some people may not like this though. I've also added an option to assign new banners to your lords via the banners selection menu, which also makes possible to use a single banner for the entire faction. You may of course replace my banners with your own.

Those are really great, Lord Kinlar!  Right now, I'm using Better Banners, which are fairly nice, but I'd love to switch to yours once they're finished!

Thanks JosieJ. "Better Banners" use the Banner Standardization Pack by YellowMosquito. I've also started with that first, unfortunately the results wasn't satisfying for me so I switched back to the original banner meshes of M&B. So this mod, in a sense, will bring back the quality of the original M&B banners into WB.

 

[Zamensis]

I agree with Josie, these are great banners. I tried the Better Banners pack as well, but I find them too sophisticated, and this is too much change from the Native ones. I like the fact that you keep the same shapes and symbols on several banners (maybe there's too many "4 eagles and a cross" but, besides this, it's absolutely fine). By the way, you're talking about Sarranids and banners_f.dds, and so on. Do you plan to make banners faction-specific as they should ? (Nevermind. Should've read closer. )

Anyway, good job.

 

[Lord Kinlar]

maybe there's too many "4 eagles and a cross"

It's up to you to replace them with the banners you like. Think of them as a placeholder. 

 

[Moldri]

So when will those awesome banners be ready? I like that you give a lot of different colours for one banner.

 

[JosieJ]

Thanks JosieJ. "Better Banners" use the Banner Standardization Pack by YellowMosquito. I've also started with that first, unfortunately the results wasn't satisfying for me so I switched back to the original banner meshes of M&B. So this mod, in a sense, will bring back the quality of the original M&B banners into WB.

I do like Better Banners in some ways: I like that all the banners are oriented the same way (elongated), and I like a lot of the different designs he came up with.  I also like the nice "fade" effect he uses.  I'd love to be able to pick and choose which banners to use for each lord, so if your mod will allow me to do that, that'll be great!

maybe there's too many "4 eagles and a cross"

It's up to you to replace them with the banners you like. Think of them as a placeholder. 

As long as you include detailed instructions for the clueless, i.e.: me!

I'm even more eager to check it out now!

 

[Lord Kinlar]

So when will those awesome banners be ready?

As soon as I finish new Vaegir and Rhodok banners. Will try to finish it within a month.

I like that all the banners are oriented the same way (elongated)

I've also removed v-cut and square-cut banners from my mod.

I'd love to be able to pick and choose which banners to use for each lord, so if your mod will allow me to do that, that'll be great!

You will be able to assign/reassign new banners to all your vassals via the banner selection menu. You will not be able to choose your own banner from the faction banners though. Still there will be plenty of banners to choose from.

Have to remind you though, this mod is made for/with WB 1.134. I have no time or intention to make it compatible with the earlier or the later versions of WB.

 

[CardsFan]

Those are some really beautiful banners. Is it hard to "install" them? Nice work, Lord.

 

[JosieJ]

Sounds great, Lord Kinlar!  (And I have no intention of updating from 1.134 since they've borked so many things in the new release, so I shouldn't have a problem!)

 

[Lord Kinlar]

Is it hard to "install" them?

To use them as *additional* banners you'd need to modify several .txt and .brf files. So you'd basically need a mod. I will publish all of these banners in higher quality within my mod, so don't bother with the low quality jpg files posted above.

Ps. The mod is currently playable (although without the new Vaegir & Rhodok banners) but I have modified the sound scripts to be able to use the sounds in WAV format instead of OGG and have to revert it back before publishing it, as the WAV files take a lot of space and I don't want people to download a huge file.

 

[CardsFan]

Great. You will "implement" them into another mod or will you publish them separately, or both? Second option would be best for me in that case, native player.

 

[Lord Kinlar]

You will "implement" them into another mod or will you publish them separately, or both? Second option would be best for me in that case, native player.

I'll publish the banners with my own mod. It's not even a mod actually, it's basically an enhanced version of Native which includes features like companion export/import, inventory access for companions, skill/equipment/skill modification for vassals, some additional female sounds, etc. I'll post a more detailed list of features later. It will include the source scripts (module system) to allow you to change/remove the features you don't like.

It is possible to merge it with another established mod (such as Diplomacy etc.) but I'll leave that to you.

 

[JosieJ]

The banner part won't be standalone? 

 

[Brentimus Maximus]

Those Swadian banners are quite good! 

I was working on assigning banners based on patrimony too, but I mostly just recycled the old flags and added some new ones from the forums.  It looks like good work, I look forward to seeing more.