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I will make it myself then i send you the files. ( this troop tree is somewhat inspired by a previous work that is long gone)
I see by open.brf that you have put lots of armors  :smile: Definitely i will make something from it  :wink:
 
Specialist 说:
:shock: I see what you mean about big troop trees.

I'll work on adding those, hopefully there isn't a WB Engine limit on troops.

Honestly, it fits. That is pretty accurate from what I've seen, and it would definitely work
That way fans of the Romans are happy with accuracy. :smile:
I don't know about limits but i managed to add lots ( i mean it) of troops without some kind of problems
 
Nice! Hey, would it be easier for you to edit if I sent you the Module System?
I'd rather not have to patch text files together. Lol
 
Later i prefer to look how it will fit in the game before and i am rather slow working with the source files ( M&B doesn't like when i rename troops  :shock:)
 
As long as you don't replace the actual name of the troop, it should be fine. The problem I encounter is that renaming troops causes the modsys not to compile correctly just because it indents the troop improperly. Lol
 
Ahhh. I normally compile after 15 or so minutes, then make a backup. To save me time.

If you do want to module system, I'll compile it all. :smile:
 
Well no offense but the Total War games are known to be extremely inaccurate. If you want to base it one something it would be better to pick Europa Barbarorum. (For the Gauls and Romans that is.)

Also Specialist I forgot to mention. Give the Helot Skirmisher and other Laconian units sandals. Except for any unit with Spartan in its name.
 
That is indeed better.

However for accuracy I think its better to stick with a certain time period for the Romans.

Which you can see here:

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html
 
I will finish it tomorrow i'm out of time. Already done the roman infantry and now i am thinking that the levelling change will be by 4 levels per upgrade :

level 4-level 8
          \level 8
and proficiency will be by + 20 by level and +25/30 if it's troop specialization

ex:
Archer (one handed 120 ; archery 130) ---Veteran Archer (one handed 140 ; Archery 160)

I want oppinions/suggestions
 
Phalanx300 说:
That is indeed better.

However for accuracy I think its better to stick with a certain time period for the Romans.

Which you can see here:

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html

I can't do it 100% accurate since:
We don't have enought models
This mod is not meant to be accurate i think ( mongols fighting arabs and romans )

 
While the factions aren't existing in the same time I think its nice to make the factions themselves accurate to a certain date.

And Specialist mentions he wants it accurate.

But I just want the Spartan faction to be nice :razz:. Just saying that the Roman troop tree of yours isn't accurate. Which Specialist seemed to think. Better to avoid weird situations.
 
You seem reasonable and i don't want to argue, i will do my best to make the roman faction and the others accurate if it is the people win will :wink:
 
i agree that hastati, principe, and triarii are polybian names  (2nd punic war around 200 bc) and auxilia, velites, sagitari, legionari and praetorian are from the marian reforms. almost a century of diference.
town-village
.                                                                                                                                                         
i sugest something more in the way of "roman peasants"- "legion recruits"-"legionaries"- "optio" - "centurion"
.                                                                                                          \ "velites" - "cohors auxilia" - "auxilia veterani"
castle
.                                                                                                  / "praetorian equites"
.                / "Tribune Guard" - "Legatus Guard" -      "Praetorian " - "Praetorian commander"
"equestrians" - "equites turmae" - "equites extraordinarii " - "equites Legatus"

know nothing of module, if not , i could help.


 
Kmovies 说:
i agree that hastati, principe, and triarii are polybian names  (2nd punic war around 200 bc) and auxilia, velites, sagitari, legionari and praetorian are from the marian reforms. almost a century of diference.
town-village
.                                                                                                                                                         
i sugest something more in the way of "roman peasants"- "legion recruits"-"legionaries"- "optio" - "centurion"
.                                                                                                          \ "velites" - "cohors auxilia" - "auxilia veterani"
castle
.                                                                                                  / "praetorian equites"
.                / "Tribune Guard" - "Legatus Guard" -      "Praetorian " - "Praetorian commander"
"equestrians" - "equites turmae" - "equites extraordinarii " - "equites Legatus"

know nothing of module, if not , i could help.
My bad, i was kinda tired and mixed two timeframes  :shock: i will fix it
 
I will start again but with the after marian reforms timeframe ( Rome at is best)
Documentation:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=330891
Auxilias Definitely in but with more generalised names ( Auxilia Sagitarii , Auxilia Cohors)
http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html
Antesignani (Post Marian Elite Legionary Light Infantry) will replace triarii
Cohors Reformata will replace Hastati
Cohors Evocata (Post Marian Reenlisted Veterans Cohort) will replace Principes

Edit:
New ( more accurate ) Roman troop tree:

                                                    Auxiliari Cohors - Antesignani                            Praetorian Guard
                                                  /                                                                          /
                      Cohors Reformata - Cohors Evocata - Legionary - Vet. Legionary - Centurion
                    /                                                          \
Town Watch                                                          Equites Auxiliari - V. Equites Auxiliari
                    \                                                                                  \
                    Archer - Auxiliari Archer -  Sagitarii                                Equites Sagitarii
                                        \
                                          Velites - Auxiliari Peltastai - Heavy Auxiliari Pelatastai

My only doubt is if they continued to deploy velites after the Marian Reform the rest i am pretty sure it's accurate

edit:
For now:
Roman Archer:
mb1l.jpg

Auxiliari Archer:
mb2t.jpg

Sagitarii
mb3o.jpg

Auxiliari Cohors
mb4x.jpg

Antesignani
mb8s.jpg

Cohors Reformata
mb5r.jpg

Cohors Evocata
mb7a.jpg

Legionary
mb6v.jpg

Veteran Equite Auxiliari
mb9or.jpg

Equite Auxiliari
mb10y.jpg

Equite Sagitarii
mb11v.jpg
 
Mmm. Seems you're not really understanding.. The Sagitarii are the Auxilia archers. The Cohors Reformate are the Legionairies. The Cohors Evocata are the elite Legionairies. The Antesignani are also elite Legionairies acting as skirmishers.

Roman cavalry was all Auxilary. Meaning consisting of non Romans. So they wouldn't look like Romans with their equipment. (In Marian at least)

And if we choose the Latin names we should do so for all. Or just name every unit by its English name.

And your now mixing up Marian units with Imperial units.
http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html
 
:neutral: it seems i will be keeping making errors.
Could you suggest a troop tree for the romans?

You seem to be a fan of Sparta, what do you think of:




                                          Perioikoi Tarentines ---- Hippeis----- Hippeis Xenophontos
                                                 
                                        /                                                        Perioikoi Phalangites --------- Spartan Phalangites
                                                                                                /                         
Ekdromoi Hoplites ---- Perioikoi Skiritai--------- Metoikoi Hoplites ----- Spartan Hoplites ----- Promachoi Elite Hoplites
                \
                  Helot Akontistai--- Hypomeiones Peltasts ----- Perioikoi Thorakitai -------- Perioikoi Thureophoroi
                                  \
                                  Spartan Archer


Helot Akontistai:
Meant to skirmish with the enemy shoot of their akontia javelins and get the hell out before the enemy arrives. Cavalry fodder, they shouldn't be in its way.

Hypomeiones Peltasts:
The Peltasts of Sparta, which are also good in close combat.

Ekdromoi Hoplites:
In Sparta or over it, in the North of Peloponnesos, a new lighter hoplite emerged. Faster and lighter he could chase down the peltasts who were becoming very dangerous

Perioikoi Thureophoroi:
Peltasts they were as well, but with a vengeance. Linothorax clad, and with bronze greaves, they were peltasts in name only. They couldn't go up against all the heavier opponents, but against peltasts, unarmored hoplites, archers and slingers, they are at their best.

Perioikoi Thorakitai:
The final evolution of the peltast, which was a unit among skirmishers and heavy infantry. Thorakitai wear mail armor, and can also fight as well as throw javelins

Perioikoi Skiritai:
Destined to exploit every opening in the enemy battle line, or create one if need be.

Perioikoi Archer:
Perioikoi archers (Toxotai) are elite archers trained by Cretans and as good as them, both in shooting their composite arrows and in melee fighting.

Perioikoi Phalangites:
The other phalanx of Sparta. Not as good as the Spartan heavy phalanx but only a fool would underestimate their pikes.

Periokoi Tarentines:
Perioikoi trained to fight by Tarentines in their fashion. Taras mercs have been a Spartan mainstay for a while, even rising up as guardians to the Spartan King

Metoikoi Hoplites
Non Spartan hoplites who after fighting for Sparta as Mercs decided to call it home. As such Metoikoi hoplites are Mercs gone native. Sparta relies heavily on them.

Spartan Hoplites
Spartan hoplites were the absolute, level best fighting machine the world had known, 200 years before 216 BCE. At that time, however, Spartan hoplites are but a memory, existing only in honour guards. The Spartan "homoioi" who would man them, are all in the Pike phallanx after the reforms of Kleomenes III at 226-224 BCE.

Spartan phallangites
Spartan hoplites, hypomeiones and even freed Helots were trained in the pike forming a Spartan phalanx. They fought valiantly against the Makedones and Romaioi.

Promachoi Elite Hoplites
Of all the Spartans who fight in the first two lines of the phallanx, the promachoi, only the best will be sent in Sparta to form a full Promachoi unit.

Hippeis
Hippeis of Sparta were indeed lighter horsemen than others bearing the same name. That made them more agile, however and more adept at skirmisher hunting, with a shield that could protect them from enemy missiles.

Hippeis Xenophontos
Hippeis Xenophontos would be the most armored horseman Sparta of 216 BCE had the "know how" to produce. It is very probable that an emerging Sparta, if it would create a heavy horseman it would follow the directions Xenophon had laid out in "Hippika" therefore coming up with a design that would look like those horsemen who are named after him.


#SOURCE: Roma surrectum 2#
 
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