Army size and kind - AI cheats !

[Orety]

1. In my game (Native Warband) NPC king has armies of 400, 500 or even 1000+ (King Harlaus) troops. I understand that there are many advantages of being a king, but how it is possible to reach that amount without loosing morale? Isn't it some kind of bug?

2. AI cheats a little with building an armies of lords. Lords always have armies of their mother countries, even when they station in different lands / cities. For example - Kumipa is Vaegir, but now is a vassal of Rhodoks in my game. I have left Rhodoks only one city - Yalen, which comes with 4 villages. Kumipa after last lost battle stations in Yalen, and his army is growing... but not in the troops available in Yalen (Rhodoks) but in Vaegir troops. For me - it's quite illogical and strange.

Beside, how can the enemy vassals recruit troops so fast, if I left them only 2-3 villages (often looted all the time) ? Where do they recruit troops? Where do teh get money for wages?

 

[Lancefighter]

well, leadership gives more morale bonus for a king.. only slightly though.

And yeah, the AI cheats. Welcome to video games 

 

[Malik Faris]

1. are you sure harlaus has 1000+ and isnt in a big marshall party? kings get like a 100-200 bonus to troop maximum for being kings, but the player doesnt.

2. lords and certain companions have original factions, that they can always recruit troops from. and troop recruitments are from a min/max amount of troops recieved per "recruitment" tick. lords also can recruit from villages, but they dont have too, they can just wait around in castles and generate troops.

[(trp_vaegir_recruit,5,10),(trp_vaegir_footman,2,4)]
[(trp_vaegir_veteran,2,4),(trp_vaegir_skirmisher,2,4),(trp_vaegir_footman,1,2)]
[(trp_vaegir_horseman,2,3),(trp_vaegir_infantry,1,2)]

so a vaegir lord (or companion like alayen) will always get between 2-4 vaegir veterans when their recruitment cycle occurs (a couple times a week i think)

3. lords get a base "wage" to recruit/upgrade troops with, villages provide them some bonus, but mostly raiding villages makes the other faction want to seek peace, but only when npc lords raid villages, not the player.

 

[Orety]

Ok, I know video games cheat, but I thought Warband doesn't )))))

I have 8 leadership and somehow near 20 charisma, 3200 fame, and it's only about 215 troops. Do the kings have x4 boost?

And yes, I'm absolutely sure once in my game Harlaus had above 1000 units... alone. It was after serie of sieges. I had idea, that maybe he had converted all those troops after succesful sieges? I also saw Sultan Hakim with 466 and Graveth with 450.

 

[tyrannicide]

I have 8 leadership and somehow near 20 charisma, 3200 fame, and it's only about 215 troops. Do the kings have x4 boost?

I've never seen kings running around with more than, say, three hundred troops. Mind if I ask for a screenshot?

 

[Malik Faris]

ah i know what happened

most likely, that place he sieged had like 500-700-800 prisoner troops, and after harlaus sieged it, he recruited all those prisoners he rescued. it happens sometimes with looters and such too, you'll see sometimes see an army with a significant bandit troop population.

 

[Orety]

I've never seen kings running around with more than, say, three hundred troops. Mind if I ask for a screenshot?

Unfortunately I don't have that 1000... now it's smaller, but when it reaches 1000 again I will make a shot.

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[Lancefighter]

yeah that looks like rescued prisoners all right. Nord, vaegir, and bandits? heh mustve got really lucky

 

[Malik Faris]

but lords do suffer from desertion, when you have cheatmenu on you get popups about "(lordname) suffers attrition of x (troops)"

those rescued prisoners will abandon harlaus over time.

 

[Orety]

I think when he doesn't lose any battle, his army of troops just increase...

 

[hruza]

AI lord armies (including kings) get bonus which is scaled according to player. I don't remember however anymore if it is based on players renown or level. So as you advance through game you will see AI armies to be larger and larger.

AI cheats a little

Well what a surprise, isn't it? ...But you are wrong on this one, AI does not cheat little, it cheats all the time.

Bye the way speed, quantity and quality of AI recruitment is quit a bit based on campaign difficulty. I used to play on good AI but turned it to normal when I realized how much bonus AI gets just from good campaign AI setting.

 

[Velax]

The AI has to cheat to make up for the fact the player isn't a complete blithering idiot like the AI is in this game. Well.....most players aren't complete blithering idiots, anyway.

 

[Katana_Geldar]

Harlaus has troops? Somehow I think the poor bastards would starve with King Feaster.

And I have wondered how the enemy factions seemingly pull armies out of their arses.

 

[The Dominator]

They just randomly spawns troops a 3 times a week or so.

 

[regiment77]

I've never seen kings running around with more than, say, three hundred troops. Mind if I ask for a screenshot?

Unfortunately I don't have that 1000... now it's smaller, but when it reaches 1000 again I will make a shot.

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King harlaus the multi cultural

 

[munchiepoo]

They arent all rescued,because he has controled nord lands he is recruiting from Swadian Villages and Nord Ones.

 

[Caba`drin]

They arent all rescued,because he has controled nord lands he is recruiting from Swadian Villages and Nord Ones.

...that's not how NPC lord recruitment works, as Malik has stated earlier in this very thread. See Karmine's thread, but as a Swadian Harlaus is only recruiting from this batch:

Reinforcement Swadia A : 5-10 Swadian Recruits ; 2-4 Swadian Militia.
Reinforcement Swadia B : 3-6 Swadian Footman ; 2-4 Swadian Skrimisher.
Reinforcement Swadia C : 2-4 Swadian Men At Arms ; 1-2 Swadian Crossbowman.

He then can upgrade from there, but any non-Swadian troops in his party come from prisoner rescues.

 

[original]

You can have 200+ Marmalukes, and you will beat King Harlaus' 1000 army, since npc lords have a mix of troop quality.

I think you are getting the better end of the deal.

 

[Orety]

This army is useful against Rhodok cities, cause the rhodok defenses deal great amount of damage. So army of 200 can be beaten trying invade Rhodok cities. But army of 700 - 1000 is always dangerous.

 

[gnawid]

I've never seen kings running around with more than, say, three hundred troops. Mind if I ask for a screenshot?

Unfortunately I don't have that 1000... now it's smaller, but when it reaches 1000 again I will make a shot.

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King harlaus the multi cultural

Maybe he's tired of seeing the same faces at feasts that he holds every other day.