Armenian Genocide (?)
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Deloused
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khazid hae 说:
who would be stupid enough to let any proof of a genocide exist... i mean, use your brain for a second there.
I mean, theres no proof that jesus was white, as a matter of fact it is very very unlikely that jesus was white... but Jesus is pictured as a white dude.
What about the rwanda Genocide... the belgian gov. and the UN blamed General Dallaire (it pretty much destroyed his life btw i saw the man in conference, probably the only white dude willing to help over there) for the 800 000 dead there... there was nobody incriminated and everybody fled... because... they didnt find enought proof! THE BODIES WERE STILL ROTTING IN THE STREETS WHEN THEY COURT MARTIALED HIM!!!
its crazy what people cant see when their head is sticked up their asses.
i'll quote some NOFX:
I wish i had a shilling for every senseless killing, i'd buy a government. America's for sale and you can get a good deal on it, and make a healthy profit
Or maybe tear it apart, start with assumption that a million people are smart, smarter than one.
i wish i was turk so i could smash the government the way we smash it here.
Xendor
Knight at Arms
Gule 说:
Hundreds of references means there are hundreds of books or articles written about that subject ffs. How the hell can you think there's that much evidence because of having so many sources. There are just references which helps writers gather some encyclopedic information such as articles, academic books or some historical researches, that's all. Sources doesn't mean proofs. Ignorant people, they'r everywhere...
But whateva, there's a photo with dead people on internet and it's written "armenian genocide" down there. So you guys don't need more evidence right? I mean, there is a photo of some dead people! OMG yea, it should definitely be a genocide. One more reason to hate Turks!
Deloused 说:
Yea are you ****in retarded khazid!!?!? Jesus was white and armenian genocide is real!! There's no need to proof for both!! Can't you see this!? How can you be that stupid omg!?! I mean, who says jesus is not white or armenian genocide is a lie should have really really serious mental problems. You ****in dumb arab khazid, I think all middle eastern people can't see anything when their head is sticked up their asses. You all suck arabs and turks, we have super Jesus and one day he'll **** u all.
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srsly, everywhere...
hooooooly ****, masses of turks posting on the international board using proper english? mother****, I didn't think it got that cold, I mean hell didn't freeze over, right?
I'm turkish and my comment on topic is; it's a shame to deny the existence of the armenian genocide. people like missak manouchian lost their families during those "so-called" events that the turkish dictatorship denies. however, armenians never got lonely in this massacre-genocide stuff, thanks to the Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa (secret service in Ottoman.)
forced marches of greeks is not very well known due to the hidden archives; but there are sources give detail to those events.
nevertheless, we can't ignore the massacres made by greek gangs and armenian armed commitees, yes, we can't ignore them but also we can't ignore the fact that they were never organised military forces funded by taxes of the anatolian people; they were simple thugs who formed a band with other thugs who had rifles. yet, there is the fact of ottoman troops in history renowned by their "bad attitude" for the folks, like bashi bazouks.
//by the way; janissary1453 is a very objective nickname to post about armenian genocide.
I'm turkish and my comment on topic is; it's a shame to deny the existence of the armenian genocide. people like missak manouchian lost their families during those "so-called" events that the turkish dictatorship denies. however, armenians never got lonely in this massacre-genocide stuff, thanks to the Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa (secret service in Ottoman.)
forced marches of greeks is not very well known due to the hidden archives; but there are sources give detail to those events.
nevertheless, we can't ignore the massacres made by greek gangs and armenian armed commitees, yes, we can't ignore them but also we can't ignore the fact that they were never organised military forces funded by taxes of the anatolian people; they were simple thugs who formed a band with other thugs who had rifles. yet, there is the fact of ottoman troops in history renowned by their "bad attitude" for the folks, like bashi bazouks.
//by the way; janissary1453 is a very objective nickname to post about armenian genocide.
Xendor
Knight at Arms
the Pawnmover 说:
We do accept many armenians lost their families and have killed by turks and also by armenian gangs. But genocide is something organized and systematical. In order to accept some killing is a genocide, you have to see some documented proofs of that. An army order from higher ranks or the population records could be the proof. But since ottomans had been beaten by allied countries, and ottoman army records have demolished, ruined and changed, we can not trust ottoman army documents. On the other hand, when we look at the population records, none of the statistics shows that there are 1 million dead.
Whenever you argue about that so-called genocide with an armenian, he'll probaly say his grandmother, his uncle etc. have killed by turks. Nothing more. No proof, no document, nothing... His family could be killed by turks, but it doesn't mean there was a genocide.
the Pawnmover 说:
Have you ever read those sources? They are all bunch of american and english propoganda news from wwI. Also you guys keep linking wikipedia as the source.
Here's some information about wikipedia, from wikipedia itself:
The open nature of the editing model has been central to most criticism of Wikipedia. For example, a reader of an article cannot be certain that it has not been compromised by the insertion of false information or the removal of essential information. Former Encyclopaedia Britannica editor-in-chief Robert McHenry once described this by saying:
The user who visits Wikipedia to learn about some subject, to confirm some matter of fact, is rather in the position of a visitor to a public restroom. It may be obviously dirty, so that he knows to exercise great care, or it may seem fairly clean, so that he may be lulled into a false sense of security. What he certainly does not know is who has used the facilities before him. Wikipedia is a faith-based encyclopedia.
As a consequence of the open structure, Wikipedia "makes no guarantee of validity" of its content, since no one is ultimately responsible for any claims appearing in it.[81] Concerns have been raised regarding the lack of accountability that results from users' anonymity,[82] the insertion of spurious information[83], vandalism, and similar problems.
and here's more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia#Information_loop
So I'm saying again, FOR ****S SAKE DO NOT GIVE WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE
you do realize the armenian killings were started by abdulhamid the second and then continued by the ittihat officers, right? like talat and enver.
about the greek killings; I believe you are overstating the name "american" or "british". indeed most of their actions are based on deceit and manipulation, yet there are countless reports those state the greek massacres, but I'm pretty sure you'd find an excuse for them too and prove how awesome turks are.
//honestly I mean no disrespect to the fact that inreliability of resources is a great problem when discussing over history but you need to look outside your government's borders.
about the greek killings; I believe you are overstating the name "american" or "british". indeed most of their actions are based on deceit and manipulation, yet there are countless reports those state the greek massacres, but I'm pretty sure you'd find an excuse for them too and prove how awesome turks are.
//honestly I mean no disrespect to the fact that inreliability of resources is a great problem when discussing over history but you need to look outside your government's borders.
Xendor
Knight at Arms
the Pawnmover 说:
Any proof? nope?
But seems like you don't need any proof to believe something cuz jesus is white.
the Pawnmover 说:
And I'm pretty sure you'd find some more pictures and quotes from wikipedia just because you think criticizing your own society blindly is something intellectual and sounds cool.
the Pawnmover 说:
One thing to note, I don't support the acts of current turkish government at all.
Xendor 说:
well let's not **** with jesus here, since he's not our subject.
about teşkilat-ı mahsusa and stuff; here's your source. appereantly this historian named halil berktay wanted to look cool by criticizing his own community so he spent most of his life about this.
http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20001101c.html
Xendor
Knight at Arms
the Pawnmover 说:
Since Halil Berktay is a totally *******, I really don't pay a **** to what he's saying. Don't get me wrong, not because he accepts the genocide thing, I don't think he's a proper historican. I know his academic background, but It's a shame to see how he is abusing the history using that background.
And yes, he thinks throwing mud to his own nation is so cool. In fact, all he do is getting attention with articles like "how turks **** on earth" or "lets split on ****in national anthem". I don't know if he has any productive or beneficial articles.
Also, you'r wrong. He didn't spend most of his life about this subject. Take a look at here see why do I think he's an arrogant *******. (turkish article)
http://www.gunzileli.com/2010/01/13/halil-berktayin-ideolojik-yol-haritasi/
Seems like he changes his mind frequently, according to what popular is. Today, he accepts the genocide. But no worries, tomorrow he could deny it anyway.
...My God, this entire argument is stupid. It's like saying there was no holocaust. It happened, a lot of people died, Turks should feel really bad about it, but instead deny it ever happened.
And why the **** does the poll talk about this subject like it's as sketchy as belief in Bigfoot??
And why the **** does the poll talk about this subject like it's as sketchy as belief in Bigfoot??
FrisianDude
Archduke
Turks should feel bad about it? Not more than the rest of humanity. Unless you want modern day Germans to feel very bad about the holocaust, too.
FrisianDude
Archduke
They do acknowledge. They acknowledge it too much. That's why Greece thinks it can cash in from them, that's why Nazi symbols are still banned in games in Germany. Even though none of the current generations of Germans have had anything to do with it.CJ1145 说:
Xendor
Knight at Arms
OMG Yea It is a fact dammit! Didn't you see those pictures!?!? There's a photo of some dead people on the internet!?! It certanly should be armenians who have killed by ottomans! How can you be that stupid to don't get it?? What else could it be? It's clearly a genocide! It's a fact retards, A FACT!! All Turks should feel sorry about it. Or I have a better idea, lets kill all turks and make em toilet paper so they'll feel really bad. Kill all turks, and arabs and indians. They all are racist, genocider bastards. Let's kill them all yea!!CJ1145 说:
edit: I feel really bad for you...
Deloused
Banned
Xendor 说:
So much sarcasm... you'd be better off saying what you really want to say, some people spend so much time trying to mistify their words that they end up saying nothing at all...
If you want to read about Genocide and if you want to do something about it: www.amnesty.org
butscrew
Sergeant Knight at Arms
Amnesty doesn't really do a helluva lot in stopping genocide. Last time I know of that genocide was occurring in Europe, Bill Clinton stepped in and blasted a group of people back to dial up.
But no one has stopped the genocide that has been occurring since the dawn of civilisation in Africa. Rwanda, Kenya and Zimbabwe had it pretty bad and still do have their brief spurts but you would be hard pressed not to name a nation in Africa which had one tribe either try to or succeed in wiping out another.
But no one has stopped the genocide that has been occurring since the dawn of civilisation in Africa. Rwanda, Kenya and Zimbabwe had it pretty bad and still do have their brief spurts but you would be hard pressed not to name a nation in Africa which had one tribe either try to or succeed in wiping out another.
Once more for the hard of thinking, genocide =/= killing lots of people. You can kill billions without ever committing genocide, and you can commit genocide without killing a single person.CJ1145 说:
Why? Every nation in Europe has attempted it's own final solution at some point, and nobody particularly acknowledges or cares about those. Truth be told, I doubt many modern Europeans give a flying **** about the holocaust either.CJ1145 说:
Deloused
Banned
butscrew 说:
well, amnesty has been TRYING in south america (feminicide) and africa to support local organisms but its always hard to convince people with machetes and AK47s.
Honestly you cant diminish an organisation's work because their progress is ****ty... you can only blame the one's who sit back at home to drink their wine and enjoy their feng-shui set-up while watching their flatscreen.
