Are not there A BIT (a lot) of women in the game? And they are playing a lot of "man" roles.

[stevehoos]

So you would call a general a non-combatant?

No, because generals in antiquity and in the middle ages (and in world history) engaged in melee combat all the time. Joan of Arc is an extremely rare example of a non combatant leader. She was a redoubtable historic figure, but she was not on battlefields to fight physically.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Joan of Arc did not participate in melee combat because she would have been at an extreme disadvantage against men.

No, because generals in antiquity and in the middle ages (and in world history) engaged in melee combat all the time. Joan of Arc is an extremely rare example of a non combatant leader.

Where do you get this stuff from? Almost everything you're saying is completely wrong. I don't want to be an ******* and ask for citations, but when you make claims like this I can't help but wonder where you're getting this information.

 

[Antoine de Saint-Exupéry]

it is some quite remarkable nonsense, yes.

 

[LEM()N]

Imagine believing this game is trying to be historical then complaining that there is too many women in positions of power just because it wasn't that common "historically". What a bunch of misogynists that want to live in there own fantasy where women are weak. This whole thread is a dumpster fire.

 

[stevehoos]

Imagine believing this game is trying to be historical then complaining that there is too many women in positions of power just because it wasn't that common "historically". What a bunch of misogynists that want to live in there own fantasy where women are weak. This whole thread is a dumpster fire.

Women served very important positions of power during the Middle Ages both militarily and politically; Elanor Of Aquitaine was one of the most powerful people in Western Europe during the 12 century. However, the idea that noble women trained and fought with men in battles is exceptionally rare, it almost did not happen period. The idea that women are fighting in armies in the game doesn't bother me, it's a game, I will mod it how I see fit, I like history.

 

[Timmortal]

No, because generals in antiquity and in the middle ages (and in world history) engaged in melee combat all the time. Joan of Arc is an extremely rare example of a non combatant leader. She was a redoubtable historic figure, but she was not on battlefields to fight.

Not all generals fought, it started going out of favor, some were there for planning and leading. She has been said to be directing troops and leading relatively close to the front lines

Women served very important positions of power during the Middle Ages both militarily and politically; Elanor Of Aquitaine was one of the most powerful people in Western Europe during the 12 century. However, the idea that noble women trained and fought with men in battles is exceptionally rare, it almost did not happen period. The idea that women are fighting in armies in the game doesn't bother me, it's a game, I will mod it how I see fit, I like history.

I too love history, but Bannerlord is not a historical game, if it was Viking Conquest, i would be far more partial to the no female commanders argument, its not europe though, its Calradia.

 

[stevehoos]

Not all generals fought, it started going out of favor, some were there for planning and leading. She has been said to be directing troops and leading relatively close to the front lines

I too love history, but Bannerlord is not a historical game, if it was Viking Conquest, i would be far more partial to the no female commanders argument, its not europe though, its Calradia.

She never fought in a battle in her entire life. Not a single one: "relatively close." You are welcome to think think this is consistent with army generals in the middle ages.

As to your other point, I don't really care what TW does with female NPCs, but let us not mix Calradia with European history as some are doing.

 

[LEM()N]

Women served very important positions of power during the Middle Ages both militarily and politically; Elanor Of Aquitaine was one of the most powerful people in Western Europe during the 12 century. However, the idea that noble women trained and fought with men in battles is exceptionally rare, it almost did not happen period. The idea that women are fighting in armies in the game doesn't bother me, it's a game, I will mod it how I see fit, I like history.

Are you going to make other mods that deal with a dozen other major historical mistakes to make the game closer to history and less like a low fantasy game? I would love if it was a lot closer to history but the game itself is already closer to fantasy/fiction than anything historical. That would require a lot of mods. I would list some of the historical inaccuracies but I think someone already posted them earlier.

There are no female combatants in the armies the last time I checked (haven't played single player in a while) so I don't know where all the complaints are coming from that there are too many women. Is your mod going to change genders of a dozen female army leaders? I would add some women into the armies because I doubt that armies were 100% male. Battle combatants were generally not recorded so there were probably some women that chose to fight.

She never fought in a battle in her entire life. Not a single one: "relatively close." You are welcome to think think this is consistent with army generals in the middle ages.

As to your other point, I don't really care what TW does with female NPCs, but let us not mix Calradia with European history as some are doing.

"but let us not mix Calradia with European history as some are doing"
That is exactly what you are doing by planning to remove females unless you plan to make a bunch of other mods to change Calradia to medieval Europe.

 

[Shadow Boss]

Imagine believing this game is trying to be historical then complaining that there is too many women in positions of power just because it wasn't that common "historically". What a bunch of misogynists that want to live in there own fantasy where women are weak. This whole thread is a dumpster fire.

I said it once I am going to say this again.

"Remember that in TRADITIONAL MEDIEVAL SOCIETY !!! DEPICTED IN GAME !!! War and politics are usually DOMINATED BY MEN"

This is what developers wrote when game world was not pressed by femobase.

So next time you say this is not representation of medieval world remember LITERAL quote of devs.

 

[stevehoos]

Are you going to make other mods that deal with a dozen other major historical mistakes to make the game closer to history and less like a low fantasy game? I would love if it was a lot closer to history but the game itself is already closer to fantasy/fiction than anything historical. That would require a lot of mods. I would list some of the historical inaccuracies but I think someone already posted them earlier.

There are no female combatants in the armies the last time I checked (haven't played single player in a while) so I don't know where all the complaints are coming from that there are too many women. Is your mod going to change genders of a dozen female army leaders? I would add some women into the armies because I doubt that armies were 100% male. Battle combatants were generally not recorded so there were probably some women that chose to fight.

Female combatants means commanders of forces that fight in battle, not soldiers at least in the context of the game. The Roman Empire East and West, Western Europe, and Islamic North Africa never had any cultural tradition of women in combat. It almost never happened. There are many reasons why this happened one being biological evolution. There's no replacing a child bearer in the tribe, but a man is expendable. This is prevalent in every culture in human history.

 

[Shadow Boss]

This lemon guys tell us about our "mysoginic" Fantasies

Yet he lives in his femo fantasy where medieval society is ok with women/male ratio is unbalanced in every step of hierarchy.

Double standarts of lefties at its pyke.

 

[LEM()N]

Female combatants means commanders of forces that fight in battle, not soldiers at least in the context of the game. The Roman Empire East and West, Western Europe, and Islamic North Africa never had any cultural tradition of women in combat. It almost never happened. There are many reason why this happened one being biological evolution. There's no replacing a child bearer in the tribe, but a man is expendable. This is prevalent in every culture in human history.

So It doesn't look like you really want to make this game more historical as you completely ignored my first set of questions. You are really just cherry picking historical facts to fit your ideal video game. Why don't you make a mod or complain about bigger historical inaccuracies in the game. A few extra females really breaking your immersion? lol. If you had a better picture of history, a few extra women would be the least of your worries.

 

[method man]

Misogyny isn't an inherent characteristic of feudal societies—it wasn't necessary to keep things going. Therefore, not having it in BL wouldn't break genre conventions. You don't have to be a leftist to be weirded out by your perspective. When I played singleplayer, my immersion was never undermined by women characters. If anything, there should be more women in the game.

In fact, if you wanted to talk about things which could be considered "necessary," why not mention religion? I believe that's how feudal lords justified their position, which seems more relevant than their hating women.

 

[stevehoos]

So It doesn't look like you really want to make this game more historical as you completely ignored my first set of questions. You are really just cherry picking historical facts to fit your ideal video game. Why don't you make a mod or complain about bigger historical inaccuracies in the game. A few extra females really breaking your immersion? lol. If you had a better picture of history, a few extra women would be the least of your worries.

It's a matter of particular taste, what each person feels kills the immersion is up to them. A real historical Medieval game would contain no tradition of women fighters or generals in any army. A mod like 1257 AD had no female combatants. That is what mods are for.

 

[method man]

If you feel like video-game sexism is integral to your enjoyment, then I have news for you...

 

[stevehoos]

If you feel like video-game sexism is integral to your enjoyment, then I have news for you...

You are going to study Medieval history?

 

[LEM()N]

You are going to study Medieval history?

You clearly haven't if your "female" problem is your biggest concern that breaks your immersion.

 

[method man]

There are exactly zero (0) reasons why sexism is innate to a feudal society. The fact that there were female queens is evidence enough of that. Nobody is arguing that history wasn't sexist. However, when we're creating a game set in a fictional, quasi-medieval universe, then there is no "immersion" argument for making it misogynistic. Your hatred for women is a personal issue, quit projecting it onto this game.

And yes I do study history. lmao

 

[LEM()N]

There are exactly zero (0) reasons why sexism is innate to a feudal society. The fact that there were female queens is evidence enough of that. Nobody is arguing that history wasn't sexist. However, when we're creating a game set in a fictional, quasi-medieval universe, then there is no "immersion" argument for making it misogynistic. Your hatred for women is a personal issue, quit projecting it onto this game.

And yes I do study history. lmao

Thank you. That is what I am trying to argue. This game is inspired by history and not trying to recreate it. There are a lot of other major historical inaccuracies so to focus on the female aspect and ignore everything else is cringy as ****.

Also that first quote mentioned is about Warband so it doesn't really apply to Bannerlord.

 

[stevehoos]

You two should try the Crusader Kings series. I guess they "hate women too," Meltdown in 3.2.1.....

This has reached logical absurdity where nothing is learned. History hurts feelings once again.
Bye