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Squire
Scardan Youmans
Recruit
It is Hollywood. An arrow is not a bullet. It rarely killed or knocked out someone with one shot.
Easy, if it is a headshot.
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So they fixed the one handed weapon and replaced it with a 2 handed weapon?
They seem to be a pain to recruit in large numbers in single player especially during a war.
Maximum997
Squire
Tier 4 heavy cavalry vs. Tier 2 archers dressed in civilian clothes doesn't prove anything except that T4 troops are tougher than T2 troops. Run that battle with Imp Veteran Archers if you want a fair test.Except it's not.
Archers are not difficult to recruit but they do work best in large numbers, especially the lower-tier types. Being inaccurate doesn't matter when there are 120 of them. Their bows being hot garbage matters somewhat, but even then, it is the difference between maybe four arrows to kill, definitely three arrows will kill and two-shot. And when you're getting hit with about eight hundred per minute, that difference really quickly becomes academic.
That's a fairer test
HalfMetalJacket
Knight
Yep, although Fians have been heavily nerfed in general. I feel like you don't really need them anymore, Palatine Guards are very solid. Either them or Master Archers.
The Khuzait Archer is the baseline. Middle of the road at almost everything save for their good bows. Sturgian archers meanwhile still suck and lack identity.
Palatine Guards are the worst mainline archers in the game. Same bow as Sturgians, marginally better arrows, same low skill as Kuzaits and worst of all they only get one stack of arrows. Anything is better then Palatine Guard. And by far the best mainline archers in the game are Asserai.
Sturgian archers are much better then Palatine Guard and on par if not better then Kuzait archers.
HalfMetalJacket
Knight
Palatine guard are extremely easy to recruit on mass thanks to t2 availability. They are also the most heavily armoured archer in the game, allowing them to trade better at range and more than take care of themselves in melee. You can't ignore these advantages.
Battles also don't last long enough for quiver sizes to really matter either, so a lack of quiver doesn't mean as much as I'd like it to.
Also in 1.4.1 beta, they have been given a 160 bow skill, which is completely unnecessary.
And having done some experiments, I can assuredly tell you that no. Sturgian Archers have more arrows, but their arrows suck. I've done some tests and so far, they fail to impress.
The arrows only have a bit of damage added. Most damage comes from the bow.
HalfMetalJacket
Knight
True, but they just don't feel effective at all. A Khuzait Marksman has a better bow and better arrows. They do a lot better. The 140 archery that Vet Bowmen have doesn't do much, if anything at all.
I know the Battian Fian's got heavily nerfed, but they still feel like the best archers in the game, even if its not just by leaps and bounds
Maximum997
Squire
What was that nerf?
Giving them a lower quality bow
Unless they enabled/fixed thing in the last three weeks (ish?) since I tested, BasicCharacterObjects -- your unnamed masses of troops -- derive no benefit from weapon skills. None. Athletics works though, so you can watch looters move like Usain Bolt or similar but the weapon skills have no discernible impact.
I didn't believe it at first (but I was suspicious when fixing the Khuzait Heavy Lancer's stats had no real change on their performance) so I tested it myself and yup, didn't matter.
Wait, base game units derive no benefit from weapon stat changes?
HalfMetalJacket
Knight
Its definitely a thought I've been considering, although I'm not entirely sure about it myself. I'll perform a definite test for myself tomorrow.
