BEAST - Bannerlord Early Access Skirmish Tournament

[hoonii]

I can honestly say that I do not like this decision because it shakens the trust in established statements and rules.

Don't worry bro administration and BEAST lost its credibility already.
Just don't be surprised if another tournament pops up.

 

[Aeronwen]

@Aeronwen @Ikea Knight I was under impression that varadin and 1or3 bans were supposed to last for entire beast 7, however with you re-introducing semis it appears that the players I spoke above about are eligible to play in the finals, as 3rd match ban ends in semis. Think it's better to clarify the matter now than late.

The ban announcement says '3 weeks' not 'for the rest of the tournament'.
Did you make a 2nd account on the forum just to post this?

Don't worry bro administration and BEAST lost its credibility already.
Just don't be surprised if another tournament pops up.

You make that sound like a threat ^^ The BEAST admins have always been delighted to see other tournaments and to make way for them.

 

[Varadin]

@Aeronwen Just asking to clarify if you can. Am i and 1o3 allowed to play in finals when we reach them ?

 

[Aeronwen]

@Aeronwen Just asking to clarify if you can. Am i and 1o3 allowed to play in finals when we reach them ?

The ban is for 3 matches, as soon as the ban is served you can play.
Please check the rule thread and make sure you comply with all the rules when you do play. I hope you will also continue to stream.

 

[TheBard]

After all this RT² is going to be a blast and a pure bloodbath.

This may actually be the most competitive and juicy tournament to have ever been hosted, I am at least looking forward to RT² now.

 

[Aeronwen]

After all this RT² is going to be a blast and a pure bloodbath.

This may actually be the most competitive and juicy tournament to have ever been hosted, I am at least looking forward to RT² now.

Really looking forward to it

Remember everyone you can check out the discussion of RT² here.

 

[Aela]

Imagine the Administrations changing the rules in the last few tournaments and they don't change anything in their behaviour. I thought changing the rules during tournaments was forbidden because that's the golden rule. At the high level of competences of admins in sport or e-sport, this would not happen.

On the other hand, why should administrators care about the rules when the top clan leaders use this for their advantage only for win and others don't care at all about stopping them? It's about two sides.

I hope this community will see competent Administrations and leaders in the future? For now there is no fair play...

 

[Namakan]

yall always like to cry "admins this, admins that" - just do it better yourselves then? it has been nearly 7 seasons of BEAST now and noone stepped up. wonder why that is... could it be related to the fact that running tournaments being lots of effort that isn't really worth it considering the state of the game and its "community"? hmmm

Just don't be surprised if another tournament pops up.

this has to be your dumbest take yet - do you think they'd be sad about that? lol

 

[Waljaaa]

Another tournament than BEAST? with new organisers? ohhh yes ofcourse there won't be any drama there at all! ?

 

[Aeronwen]

Imagine the Administrations changing the rules in the last few tournaments and they don't change anything in their behaviour. I thought changing the rules during tournaments was forbidden because that's the golden rule. At the high level of competences of admins in sport or e-sport, this would not happen.

On the other hand, why should administrators care about the rules when the top clan leaders use this for their advantage only for win and others don't care at all about stopping them? It's about two sides.

I hope this community will see competent Administrations and leaders in the future? For now there is no fair play...

You may have noticed that in every competently admined tourney for that last 10 years the rules have a changelog. It is there to record the changes made to the rules during the tournament.

I know you know this because you participated in some of those tournaments.

Where there is no changelog the rules are amended anyway, it is just not publically recorded so you cannot check and complain.

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As a general rule, when someone makes silly, unfounded accusations on your local Discord, apply some critical thinking before just believing what any idiot is shouting before you end up making ludicrous posts.

 

[Aprikosenmann]

@Aeronwen @Ikea Knight I was under impression that varadin and 1or3 bans were supposed to last for entire beast 7, however with you re-introducing semis it appears that the players I spoke above about are eligible to play in the finals, as 3rd match ban ends in semis. Think it's better to clarify the matter now than late.

Who is this cringelord xD
And why the hell are people so pissed that semis are back !? Semis are nice.

 

[Arris]

Unpopular opinion (maybe) from low rank Div D player. This whole thread is cringe-fest.

First of all, when you sign up to a tournament, you accept its rules by default and agree to accept consequences of breaking them. And rule was simple enough to follow, do not modify game files.

Opinions of other players that "they don't find that modified crosshair advantageous" doesn't really matter at that point. But even assuming it does, perhaps for them it is not. But that one specific player caught using it, used it for some reason. Be it a major advantage or just feeling more comfortable, it is still a thing that other players doesn't use. And while in such tournaments we can't fully equal the fields (like PC specs also play important role in comfort of playing), the one field that can be equal is game files.

Same to opinions of other clans whether default or rematch would be fair. Enforcing rule breaks isn't based on popularity poll but on accepted and posted rules.

Moreover, If admins would bend the rule it would open space for people to experiment to what degree thay can modify the game files to get away with it and not get banned. Do we really want that kind of arms race here?

I have honestly no idea what purpose lies in bringing up that BEAST is non-paid tournament, 100% irrelevant.

"We all as players play here for our results to be decided in game, and our time investement is to be represented as official results of our matches. In that case, we believe that this kind of rulling was in fact unfair. Also the rule that led admin team to take such a decision is too broad"

Cringe worthy. If you want your time investment to be represented as official results, don't mess up with game files. Rule isn't too broad to understand. Do-not-mess-with-game-files. EOT. Moreover, it isn't easy to write specific step-by-step rules that will cover 100% of potential issues (especially talking about unfinished product which in all honesty M&B Bannerlord is). There will be cases that will need interpretation and that lies within admins responsibilities. And while interpretation might be considered for future, changing rules during tournament is bad practice and shouldn't be encouraged.

Be it DM, or any other clan, no matter the division, we all agreed to the rules. And it falls to clans to monitor their own players and prevent them from actions that might hurt match outcome. If you knew earlier about that modification, should have acted on it before official match and have it removed to not risk penalty.

 

[Blue_Owl]

Unpopular opinion (maybe) from low rank Div D player. This whole thread is cringe-fest.

First of all, when you sign up to a tournament, you accept its rules by default and agree to accept consequences of breaking them. And rule was simple enough to follow, do not modify game files.

Opinions of other players that "they don't find that modified crosshair advantageous" doesn't really matter at that point. But even assuming it does, perhaps for them it is not. But that one specific player caught using it, used it for some reason. Be it a major advantage or just feeling more comfortable, it is still a thing that other players doesn't use. And while in such tournaments we can't fully equal the fields (like PC specs also play important role in comfort of playing), the one field that can be equal is game files.

Same to opinions of other clans whether default or rematch would be fair. Enforcing rule breaks isn't based on popularity poll but on accepted and posted rules.

Moreover, If admins would bend the rule it would open space for people to experiment to what degree thay can modify the game files to get away with it and not get banned. Do we really want that kind of arms race here?

I have honestly no idea what purpose lies in bringing up that BEAST is non-paid tournament, 100% irrelevant.

"We all as players play here for our results to be decided in game, and our time investement is to be represented as official results of our matches. In that case, we believe that this kind of rulling was in fact unfair. Also the rule that led admin team to take such a decision is too broad"

Cringe worthy. If you want your time investment to be represented as official results, don't mess up with game files. Rule isn't too broad to understand. Do-not-mess-with-game-files. EOT. Moreover, it isn't easy to write specific step-by-step rules that will cover 100% of potential issues (especially talking about unfinished product which in all honesty M&B Bannerlord is). There will be cases that will need interpretation and that lies within admins responsibilities. And while interpretation might be considered for future, changing rules during tournament is bad practice and shouldn't be encouraged.

Be it DM, or any other clan, no matter the division, we all agreed to the rules. And it falls to clans to monitor their own players and prevent them from actions that might hurt match outcome. If you knew earlier about that modification, should have acted on it before official match and have it removed to not risk penalty.

I second this. Rules are rules. If one breaks them, he gets punished.

Also, if admins allow rematch now, it will be a loud announcement: "You can cheat however you want and you will get pardoned, as long as you whine loud enough".

 

[Einarcf]

I don't think I have seen anyone mention Varadin should not be punished

 

[Yans]

Ahah, now I see why Hairless decided not to ask for opinions of Div D and E teams xD

 

[Hisoka]

Well we wanted to do that in Beast 4 actually.
The competition was getting stale, the tournament was too long and the divsions were too big and it takes for ever for new teams to join or leave. That's why we wanted to add fast promotion before Beast 5. But we rolled it back and announced the changes to come in the follwoing season.

I can't complain about your decision on that, but the thing is, it doesn't matter when you wanted to do it or for what you did it, you changed a rule while tournament was still going on so what I tried to say is, you can't just say that you can't change a rule during tournament.

 

[Arris]

I don't think I have seen anyone mention Varadin should not be punished

Well, yeah. But one matter leads to another in this case.

Ahah, now I see why Hairless decided not to ask for opinions of Div D and E teams xD

Cause we are more down to earth?

 

[Yans]

Cause we are more down to earth?

Like midgets, ye

 

[OurGloriousLeader]

Unpopular opinion (maybe) from low rank Div D player. This whole thread is cringe-fest.

First of all, when you sign up to a tournament, you accept its rules by default and agree to accept consequences of breaking them. And rule was simple enough to follow, do not modify game files.

Opinions of other players that "they don't find that modified crosshair advantageous" doesn't really matter at that point. But even assuming it does, perhaps for them it is not. But that one specific player caught using it, used it for some reason. Be it a major advantage or just feeling more comfortable, it is still a thing that other players doesn't use. And while in such tournaments we can't fully equal the fields (like PC specs also play important role in comfort of playing), the one field that can be equal is game files.

Same to opinions of other clans whether default or rematch would be fair. Enforcing rule breaks isn't based on popularity poll but on accepted and posted rules.

Moreover, If admins would bend the rule it would open space for people to experiment to what degree thay can modify the game files to get away with it and not get banned. Do we really want that kind of arms race here?

I have honestly no idea what purpose lies in bringing up that BEAST is non-paid tournament, 100% irrelevant.

"We all as players play here for our results to be decided in game, and our time investement is to be represented as official results of our matches. In that case, we believe that this kind of rulling was in fact unfair. Also the rule that led admin team to take such a decision is too broad"

Cringe worthy. If you want your time investment to be represented as official results, don't mess up with game files. Rule isn't too broad to understand. Do-not-mess-with-game-files. EOT. Moreover, it isn't easy to write specific step-by-step rules that will cover 100% of potential issues (especially talking about unfinished product which in all honesty M&B Bannerlord is). There will be cases that will need interpretation and that lies within admins responsibilities. And while interpretation might be considered for future, changing rules during tournament is bad practice and shouldn't be encouraged.

Be it DM, or any other clan, no matter the division, we all agreed to the rules. And it falls to clans to monitor their own players and prevent them from actions that might hurt match outcome. If you knew earlier about that modification, should have acted on it before official match and have it removed to not risk penalty.

??

 

[Varadin]

I don't think I have seen anyone mention Varadin should not be punished

i also never asked for unban or shortening my ban. I have done a mistake altough i personally think its bull**** but rules are rules and i accepted the punishment . We move on.