Any tips on being marshall?

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I'm currently the Marshall of my faction. I'd like to use this opportunity to conquer some towns and castles from my enemies. The problem is the lords that should follow me just leave if they feel like it. Also when I start a campaign almost noone seems to come and join me.
Like this it can be quite frustrating.

Does anyone have some tips regarding these problems?
 
Some lords simply don't like following the marshall and won't do so unless you specifically go up to them and tell them to.

Others have more important things to do....  simply that.

Others don't like you.

Tip #1:  Given the chance get to lords that are not following you and tell them to do so.

Tip #2: Get lords to like you.  Help them in fights, especially when they're on the verge of losing or damn well will lose by huge differences in odds raises their view of you a lot.  Also, a high honor makes at least half the lords in the realm like you a whole lot.
 
MickDick 说:
Some lords simply don't like following the marshall and won't do so unless you specifically go up to them and tell them to.

Others have more important things to do....  simply that.

Others don't like you.

Tip #1:  Given the chance get to lords that are not following you and tell them to do so.

Tip #2: Get lords to like you.  Help them in fights, especially when they're on the verge of losing or damn well will lose by huge differences in odds raises their view of you a lot.  Also, a high honor makes at least half the lords in the realm like you a whole lot.

I'm already doing tip #1 all the time. Otherwise my group would probably be very very small.
But I have to tell them to follow me over and over again because when I siege a castle/town, a lot of them just leave while I'm building ladders/siege tower, or they leave during travel, which is quite annoying.

About tip #2: What do you consider high honor? And what exactly is the difference regarding the lords behaviour when I have good reputation with them? Will they stay with me longer? Or is it just more likely they join my campaign/follow my orders?
 
Zerged 说:
About tip #2: What do you consider high honor?
Here's a small article about honor.

And what exactly is the difference regarding the lords behaviour when I have good reputation with them? Will they stay with me longer? Or is it just more likely they join my campaign/follow my orders?
They'll vote for you to remain as the Marshall of the Realm when elections come, they'll vote for you to recieve more fiefs when you captured them from the enemy, etc.; yes and yes.
 
Pjoft 说:

Thanks for the link but I guess the "lords liking me more because of high honor" seems to only be true in Warband, and I'm currently playing original M&B so I guess it doesn't really help me then with this issue.


Pjoft 说:
They'll vote for you to remain as the Marshall of the Realm when elections come, they'll vote for you to recieve more fiefs when you captured them from the enemy, etc.; yes and yes.

Does the first yes mean they'll stay longer with me when I order them to follow? That would be awesome, because that's the main problem I have atm. I'm not 100% sure what the yes's are referring to so I just want to make sure :smile:
 
Honor does have an effect on interactions with lords in classic, but it won't cause a portion of the faction to instantly like you as it does in Warband.  Even if you have high honor, high renown, high relationship with the faction, and high relationship with the lords in your campaign, your allies will still act like children with short attention spans.  I'm not clear if you're experiencing mass desertions or just lords running off "temporarily" (for apparently long periods of time) after any hostile that enters their aggro radius.  Lords who don't like you or who are currently patrolling/raiding tend not to respond to the announcement of a campaign.  Even lords who do respond will have a tendency to run off for periods of time.  If you're starting a new campaign far from their fiefs, it may take several days for them to reach you, they don't just instantly appear.

My experience is that it's worse in areas frequented by non-faction hostiles (bandits, etc.) and during sieges in which enemy armies keep hovering nearby actively trying to pull you away from the castle or town.  There's nothing you can do, they are just going to run off, either until they've destroyed the hostile or are destroyed by it, or until they lose their target at night.  They live to fight, and your summons is a secondary consideration.  As long as they are not defeated or captured, they will eventually return if you are still nearby.  It does make sieges a little annoying (especially if building a siege tower is involved), and I'm sure we're all agreed that the whole process of sieges leaves a lot to be desired.  Total command of your allies outside of a battle instance is just not part of the game, and discipline wasn't something possessed in spades by medieval armies IRL.

Even if you can get your allies to follow you to a siege, there's a chance that any lords who don't like you will sit nearby and not join you when you assault the target.  Some of them are just d**ks like that (Lord Bulba, I'm looking at you).

My advice is to cultivate friendships with a handful of lords who tend to have large armies, recruit only them and in person, don't lead them into a fight with an enemy who has a substantial numerical advantage, and don't sit back and let them to all the work (that is, don't let them take all the losses if you can help it).  They'll follow you anywhere (they'll still run off periodically after anything that aggroes them), and they'll vote repeatedly for you when the marshall election comes up. 

Annoying?  Very.  But some things just can't be done alone.
 
Thanks for your lengthy post, it has given me some valuable insights!  :smile:

Effud 说:
I'm not clear if you're experiencing mass desertions or just lords running off "temporarily" (for apparently long periods of time) after any hostile that enters their aggro radius...

Effud 说:
They'll follow you anywhere (they'll still run off periodically after anything that aggroes them)...

What sort of "desertions" I experience? Well, I experience both. But I can deal with them running off temporarily, although it's very annoying.
What is more of a hassle, is when they just leave for good: It says "following Zerged" and some moments later their tooltip changes to "travelling to ..." or something along those lines.
Will this only happen with lords that don't like me enough? And if they like me enough, they will, as you wrote it, "follow me anywhere", only running off temporarily and not until I go tell them to follow me again?
 
Some lords are literally coded to be impatient.  Nothing can change that.  But if they like you more I think this helps to stave off that effect.
 
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