Anti-Abortionist murders doctor

[Mage246]

I'd not want a child right now. I'd probably get an abortion if I got pregnant.

You make Ronald Reagan's zombie sad .

 

[Dain Ironfoot]

Why do people have abortions? I'm never gonna get pregnant but if I didn't want it i'd put it up for adoption.

You're male, aren't you?  Do you ever...talk to women?  Have you ever seen a birth or pregnancy?  Most of my friends have various thoughts like yours

It repeatedly claims to be female.  Many of us remain unconvinced.

 

[Almalexia]

Extremely late term abortion.

The **** deserved it in my opinion.

You're edgy.  You're also an idiot.

Thanks for the elaborate answer. Proved me wrong.

Why is the death of a old man, who just happens to perform of late term abortion (if the baby is out, but his toe is still in the mother, killing him is okay!) worse than killing a baby? No, this is not a rhetorical question, I actually want to know what you think.

I really don't think that means what you think it means.

 

[Shatari]

I'm never gonna get pregnant but if I didn't want it i'd put it up for adoption.

How are you going to avoid getting pregnant? Avoid sex? Abstinence is great in theory, but it actually takes some serious effort to combat hormones.
Then there's prevention, but that's not 100% effective. In fact, most people don't even know how to properly store or use a condom. Pills and condoms are a good combo, but even then you run the risk (and many pills can cause serious birth defects if you do get pregnant).

Still doesn't excuse yourself. Would you end a life so you don't have to suffer a few hours of pain

Most late term abortions are done to save the mother's life. Anything before that, and you have to ask "what is life?". And that's a whole new can of worms... (And of course, it's often more than "a few hours of pain", as has been said.)

Why is the death of a old man, who just happens to perform of late term abortion (if the baby is out, but his toe is still in the mother, killing him is okay!) worse than killing a baby? No, this is not a rhetorical question, I actually want to know what you think.

The "old man" was a doctor. The fetuses were unwanted pre-children. I don't really agree with late term abortions, but if we're looking at this from a practical standpoint, I'd say that the doctor is more valuable to society. Are you wanting to expand into a less physical and more theological field here?

 

[Mage246]

Tintin claims to be a lesbian, I would think that avoiding pregnancy wouldn't be too hard, if it's true.

 

[The Mercenary]

I'd choose Dr. Tiller over the babies. Because it doesn't matter what they'd turn into. They could turn into anything. By your logic, you're saying they could grow up to cure cancer or something, which is great. By your logic, they could also end up inventing a weapon that would result in the extinction of humankind.

 

[Shik]

Fei Dao: Okay. So the "fetus" (defined as: "an unborn offspring from the end of the eighth week of conception until birth") is outside of the womb, when is it actually considered to be alive? Its second day alive?

EDIT: Oh, you deleted your post.

Yeah, because I was planning on rewriting it.

Technically, the fetus is alive at any period of time, in the same well every cell in the body is alive.

I don't agree with late-term abortions, but a one-pound fetus with underdeveloped organs and nonexistent intellectual capacity, in my opinion, is not a baby.

 

[The Mercenary]

But cells in the body won't develop beyond that. The fetus is growing as a little kid would, and I'm relatively sure little kids are considered human beings.

They're not. They're the the species Braticus, Genus Homo, Family Hominidae, Order Primates, Class Mammalia, Phylum Vertebrata, Kingdom Animalia. We're Homo sapiens, they're Homo braticus.

 

[Seff]

It all comes down to the value of life. If you don't inherently value life, there's no reason to spare the life of a non-sentient organism if you have no interest in it developing into a human being.

 

[Shatari]

...and Shatari, I obviously see your logic, but how do you know that the of babies that he has killed wouldn't grow up to equal him? How do you know that none of them would become doctors?

How do I know that they wouldn't have grown up to be serial killers? Using your logic, how do you know that their wouldn't have been a mass murder in their midst? Potential doesn't mean much, especially when you factor in that they were unwanted (and thus probably would have been dumped into adoption had they lived).

Edit: I see this has been addressed already.

What you're saying would imply that, given the choice between saving Dr. Tiller's life, or the lives of a bunch of babies, you'd choose Dr. Tiller.

No, I said that if given a choice between a doctor and a bunch of unwanted fetuses, I'd choose the doctor. Adding names and faces to the equation, I'd say that Dr. Tiller seemed like a fairly likable fellow, and was quite dedicated to offering women the option to abort their unwanted offspring despite having survived previous gun injuries and a bombing in the past.
The nameless, faceless fetuses on the other hand don't really have much in the way of accomplishments or dedication. Weird that.

 

[Mage246]

I would. Children are scum.

 

[Raz]

Moral of the story: Avoid churches.

 

[The Mercenary]

Kids aren't human beings....

Maybe I misunderstood, but that's what it looks like you're saying.

Can they breed with us and produce fertile offspring? No. So they're their own species.

 

[Shatari]

Okay. Well three year old children don't have any accomplishments or dedication to anything. Would you still choose Tiller if they replaced the fetuses? Keep in mind how many we're talking about.

Children aren't nameless or faceless. Further, it would be unlawful to kill the children, where as fetuses have no such rights. Then there's the fact that children are sentient, where as most aborted fetuses don't have any brain capability. So if we're going to change all of the variables...50 rabid rats versus a doctor. Who would you choose?
As for numbers: I don't really care how many fetuses you compare here, if they were aborted then they aren't likely to be missed by the world. There's plenty more where they came from, and that isn't true of doctors.

Moral of the story: Avoid churches.

Yeah, I thought it was kind of weird that the guy murdered him in a church.

 

[Seff]

Kids aren't human beings....

Maybe I misunderstood, but that's what it looks like you're saying.

Can they breed with us and produce fertile offspring? No. So they're their own species.

Can a stone fly? No. Can you fly? No. Thus, The Mercenary must be a stone.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

The nameless, faceless fetuses on the other hand don't really have much in the way of accomplishments or dedication. Weird that.

Okay. Well three year old children don't have any accomplishments or dedication to anything. Would you still choose Tiller if they replaced the fetuses? Keep in mind how many we're talking about.

How did you decide that a fertilized egg is a human being? It would make as much sense as cremating or buying a coffin for a ovulated egg when a woman menstruates or to have a wake for the sperm that didn't make it to the end of womb or were trapped inside a condom.

Three year old children aren't all that different from fetuses. Psychological studies and experiments have theorized that children are do not possess the mind of an adult without the experience. They do not have the basic reasoning and other adult functions until around the age of 8. You're using an argument of appealing to emotion, or at best, arguing with the presumption that the fetus is already a human being when it is the subject of the debate itself.

 

[Moss]

Oooookay.

Just a little step back here. Dr. Tiller was not aborting unwanted babies. He performed late term abortions on women where two separate consulting doctors had agreed that having the baby would pose such a health risk to the mother that she (and likely also the child) would die in child birth.

Late term abortions are not performed on "unwanted" babies. There are laws against it for the obvious reasons. He wasn't doing anything wrong, he was simply doing a hard job and saving lives, despite constant death threats and actual attempts on his life.

Late term abortions are illegal in most countries as anything but the most extreme of circumstances. Abortionists do not kill babies, they simply remove dividing cells that one day may form a brain and create a human being if left alone. What they do is no different to wearing a condom or not having sex.

 

[fisheye]

...and Shatari, I obviously see your logic, but how do you know that the of babies that he has killed wouldn't grow up to equal him? How do you know that none of them would become doctors? What you're saying would imply that, given the choice between saving Dr. Tiller's life, or the lives of a bunch of babies, you'd choose Dr. Tiller.

Actually, one of the babies that he didn't kill now that he's dead, had many descendants, and some time in the year 2300, sent a robot back in time to persuade this maniac to kill the doctor so that its ancestor would be born.

****ing time travelling robots! *shakes fist*

 

[Mage246]

How did you decide that a fertilized egg is a human being? It would make as much sense as cremating or buying a coffin for a ovulated egg when a woman menstruates or to have a wake for the sperm that didn't make it to the end of womb or were trapped inside a condom.

I don't know about you, but I give any of my sperm that didn't make it a proper viking funeral, complete with miniature longboat.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

What do you put in the boat before setting it aflame? Fructose? A variant of that can go up quite nicely .