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LordOfShadows

Sergeant Knight at Arms
Afghanistan's dirty little secret
Joel Brinkley


Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy's father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them," military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. "The soldiers didn't understand."

All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, "Pashtun Sexuality," startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked - and repulsed.

For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.

"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."

Baghlan province is in the northeast, but Afghans say pedophilia is most prevalent among Pashtun men in the south. The Pashtun are Afghanistan's most important tribe. For centuries, the nation's leaders have been Pashtun.

President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun, from a village near Kandahar, and he has six brothers. So the natural question arises: Has anyone in the Karzai family been bacha baz? Two Afghans with close connections to the Karzai family told me they know that at least one family member and perhaps two were bacha baz. Afraid of retribution, both declined to be identified and would not be more specific for publication.

As for Karzai, an American who worked in and around his palace in an official capacity for many months told me that homosexual behavior "was rampant" among "soldiers and guys on the security detail. They talked about boys all the time."

He added, "I didn't see Karzai with anyone. He was in his palace most of the time." He, too, declined to be identified.

In Kandahar, population about 500,000, and other towns, dance parties are a popular, often weekly, pastime. Young boys dress up as girls, wearing makeup and bells on their feet, and dance for a dozen or more leering middle-aged men who throw money at them and then take them home. A recent State Department report called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."

So, why are American and NATO forces fighting and dying to defend tens of thousands of proud pedophiles, certainly more per capita than any other place on Earth? And how did Afghanistan become the pedophilia capital of Asia?

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."

Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?"

That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.

Addressing the loathsome mistreatment of Afghan women remains a primary goal for coalition governments, as it should be.

But what about the boys, thousands upon thousands of little boys who are victims of serial rape over many years, destroying their lives - and Afghan society.

"There's no issue more horrifying and more deserving of our attention than this," Cardinalli said. "I'm continually haunted by what I saw."

As one boy, in tow of a man he called "my lord," told the Reuters reporter: "Once I grow up, I will be an owner, and I will have my own boys."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL#ixzz0yDwsSbvL
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It'll be really funny when some Pashtun guy tries to feel up some Marine.....

But the funny thing is the bit about "It ain't homo, we don't love them, just screw them."

Apparently there was an afghan woman that came into a coalition medical base beaten half to death because she hadn't gotten pregnant. They examined her and found she was a virgin.
 
Not surprising really, a lot of insular societies tend to be rather lax when it comes to child sex laws.

I'm a bit confused though, were people trying to touch up soldiers or were the soldiers witnessing the touching up of children?
 
LordOfShadows 说:
That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.

...

**** their stupid little culture.
 
I knew this....

Very ****ed up. Usual.

well, I suppose it's slightly better then screwing their goats/dogs. or maybe not.

Afghanistan is rather weird. Overzealous about women= homosexuality, and this is just one example. 
 
At least the Welsh don't go around flaunting their sheep ****ing.

...

Most of the time.
 
Tiberius Decimus Maximus 说:
At least the Welsh don't go around flaunting their sheep ****ing.

...

Most of the time.
:lol:

Anyways, that is just....Wrong. Except to the soaped up homo-sexuals in this room, that is.
 
I like my women how I like my whisky, 12 years old and mixed up with coke.

:lol:
 
Suspect-Device 说:
I like my women how I like my whisky, 12 years old and mixed up with coke.

:lol:
pedo-bear-seal-of-approval+joannecasey.png
 
Technically speaking, if they are being honest, it's not homosexuality, just homosexual acts. But those are still condemned in the Quran, if I'm not mistaken. Love is not required, in fact I think it emphasizes on the sex part, doesn't say anything about love. But I could be wrong. I'd have to look it up.

But I think they say they're not in love just to have an excuse. When you see comments about women being gross and how they could like them, you kind of get the feeling they might actually be homos in denial. :neutral:

Gotta love Asia. Many of its countries have very low age of consent laws and high rates of child sex slaves.

Though I'd argue that 14-15 year olds should perhaps be considered valid consent givers. People grow up fast in those societies. But it's 18 which is age of consent, strangely. This technically makes it all rape.  :???:

Male-male sex is supposed to be illegal, last I checked.

So I'm guessing that since this is their most important tribe, that means that they're allowed to slip under the radar and do as they please, even if it's illegal and lawless by their religious texts they adhere to.

The stuff about their lack of knowledge of women is damned sad. Damned sad.
 
Swadius 说:
If only they had some porn...

I see. In order to solve this problem, we must bombard them with porn. Have some planes fly over a few times and just drop it on them. Come back in a week or so and everything will be better.
 
Well, that's ****ed. Let's have a spinoff of Wife Swap called Bar Swap, drawing heavily on the southern States for subjects.
 
LordOfShadows 说:
Afghanistan's dirty little secret
Joel Brinkley


Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy's father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them," military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. "The soldiers didn't understand."

All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, "Pashtun Sexuality," startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked - and repulsed.

For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.

"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."

Baghlan province is in the northeast, but Afghans say pedophilia is most prevalent among Pashtun men in the south. The Pashtun are Afghanistan's most important tribe. For centuries, the nation's leaders have been Pashtun.

President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun, from a village near Kandahar, and he has six brothers. So the natural question arises: Has anyone in the Karzai family been bacha baz? Two Afghans with close connections to the Karzai family told me they know that at least one family member and perhaps two were bacha baz. Afraid of retribution, both declined to be identified and would not be more specific for publication.

As for Karzai, an American who worked in and around his palace in an official capacity for many months told me that homosexual behavior "was rampant" among "soldiers and guys on the security detail. They talked about boys all the time."

He added, "I didn't see Karzai with anyone. He was in his palace most of the time." He, too, declined to be identified.

In Kandahar, population about 500,000, and other towns, dance parties are a popular, often weekly, pastime. Young boys dress up as girls, wearing makeup and bells on their feet, and dance for a dozen or more leering middle-aged men who throw money at them and then take them home. A recent State Department report called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."

So, why are American and NATO forces fighting and dying to defend tens of thousands of proud pedophiles, certainly more per capita than any other place on Earth? And how did Afghanistan become the pedophilia capital of Asia?

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."

Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?"

That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.

Addressing the loathsome mistreatment of Afghan women remains a primary goal for coalition governments, as it should be.

But what about the boys, thousands upon thousands of little boys who are victims of serial rape over many years, destroying their lives - and Afghan society.

"There's no issue more horrifying and more deserving of our attention than this," Cardinalli said. "I'm continually haunted by what I saw."

As one boy, in tow of a man he called "my lord," told the Reuters reporter: "Once I grow up, I will be an owner, and I will have my own boys."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL#ixzz0yDwsSbvL
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Yet another example of the US trying to force its own morality on another culture.  "You must all do as we do!  Or else!"  SO ****ing sick of that.  If you dont like what theyre doing(as long as noones being forced or threatened), tough ****!  Let them do as they have been for however long its been going on.  I supposed they also like to force Germany to have a drinking age of 21, like here, even those ours is one of(if not the) highest in the world.
 
True that it's morality forcing, but read the rest of the article. There's something that needs to be done about their complete stupidity.
Also it implies these boys don't choose this way of life, but I'm not certain of that. I'm sure some don't like it, though. What 9 year old wants it in the ass?

LordOfShadows 说:
It'll be really funny when some Pashtun guy tries to feel up some Marine.....

But the funny thing is the bit about "It ain't homo, we don't love them, just screw them."

Apparently there was an afghan woman that came into a coalition medical base beaten half to death because she hadn't gotten pregnant. They examined her and found she was a virgin.
PS:
Citation?
 
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