All the two-handed weapons are used 1h when mounted

[Handel]

Being on the arena with a 1h sword/shield vs mounted 2h sword I started to wonder how it happens the 2h horsemen swings so quickly with his sword... I saw something I didn't look at all before - all the 2h weapons are used singlehanded when mounted. Not just the bastard sword, but 2h sword, 2h axe, 2h polehammer and such. But this is impossible. Those weapons are 2handed not because the fashion designer desided such, but because they are extremely long and most importantly extremely heavy. A strong man singlehanded will be able to lift it, but not to make a deadly swing. Even with 2 hands they need a lot of time to lift them to suitable position and to swing them not just with the hands, but with the whole body. But the guys on a horseback use it like a common sword but without shield. Actually I am not sure at all if in reality there were a mounted troops with 2handed weapons. But in this game they exists, they swing quickly and they keep their left hand as if they hold a shield with it.

BTW - I should suggest a little tweaking of the AI when mounted with lance. Now they are very stupid and use it as a lance only in the first aproach. After that they just poke it from close distance and of course usualy they lose the duel vs swordman. And maybe a change of the weapon if they are dismounted for some reason. An infantry with a lance is pitiful sight.


Edit: a tweak of the AI of the horsearchers will be nice too. They must stay immobile when there is no threat. Again looking in the arena - the first enemy is dead and I keep the second enemy engaged. But my mate horsearcher keeps galloping, bumping in the walls and shooting at the public instead stopping and killing my enemy right away.

 

[Dynamite_cow]

Come on, how the **** are you supposed to swing a two-handed weapon from horseback? Doesn't sound like a too stable position, falling would be likely.

And the point is propably just that the horsey is the one who gives you the power in your swing, combining this with the fact that you are also moving the sword forward relatively to yourself, you'll easily slice trough an unarmoured man's neck.

I do agree with the lances tho, AI lanciers are easy to kill with a sword unless you are heavily outnumbered.

 

[Handel]

Come on, how the **** are you supposed to swing a two-handed weapon from horseback? Doesn't sound like a too stable position, falling would be likely.

You cannot. That's is exactly my point. look at yourself when you ride with 2h sword how you swing with a single hand. A common two-handers weights several kgs and is 170-180 sm long and even more - up to 2 meters. The hilt only was between 25 i 40-50 sm long - because it must be comfortable grabbed with 2 hands. Try to imagine what the feeling is to swing in such way a 2 meters long steel several kgs weight. And there is swords like "Sempill Sword" in the National Museum of Antiquities of Scotland, which is 255 cm long and weights over 10.5 kilograms. It belonged to Mary Queen of Scots in the battle of Langside in 1568 - but she didn't used it in the battle; it was just "carried" as a royal symbol.

 

[Auvar]

Come on, how the **** are you supposed to swing a two-handed weapon from horseback? Doesn't sound like a too stable position, falling would be likely.

You aren't; that's the point. I'm not sure how many instances there are of anyone actually using a two-handed weapon on horseback historically, but I imagine very few.

Personally, however, I think the penalty for doing so rounds it out pretty well; I'd rather have the added weapon choice than eliminating a whole category from mounted combat just for realism reasons.

 

[malenn]

You cannot. That's is exactly my point. look at yourself when you ride with 2h sword how you swing with a single hand. A common two-handers weights several kgs and is 170-180 sm long and even more - up to 2 meters. .

the numbers are usualy like this

The two hander weight is something betwen 2 kg for a 140 cm sword and something like 4 kg for the larges usable swords 210 cm where half of the weight lies in the hilt and pomel to balace the blade. I got a friend that kan swing a true twohander "zweihänder" 162 cm 3,7 kg in one hand but he is strong like an ox.

Just for curiosity the twohanders was almost excusivly used as fot weapon by mercenarys caled "doppelsöldner" for the dubble salary becaus they went first to try to break the enemies pikewall and had one of the most dangerous jobbs in the army.

 

[Handel]

Personally, however, I think the penalty for doing so rounds it out pretty well; I'd rather have the added weapon choice than eliminating a whole category from mounted combat just for realism reasons.

I agree - I like riding a horse and swinging huge polehammer. But at least I should't be able to swing it so quickly.

 

[Terracide99]

personally i don't see any speed difference between swinging the bastard sword 2hand mounted or not. even though you swing with only one hand w/ 2hand weap on horse, you'll still gain points in 2hand and not 1hand. probably the 2hand swing animations weren't implimented @ the current state of the game but will by the finishing product??

 

[Husar]

What do you think a 2hand swing animation on a horse will look like?

 

[Roach]

I like the swing animation on horseback.

It looks like my Vaegir knights are playing polo with their bardiches.

 

[Juicy_jae]

I think that the animation should look more "forceful" instead of like a normal swing slowed down, I cant stand the sight of my sword slowly gliding by. The swings should be fast but with a very slow recovery time to unleash another.

 

[The Pope]

It's quite easy to mod it. In my mod I made most of the larger two handed weapons unusable on horseback - not only is it more realistic, it also improves infantry/cavalry balance. Just open up the editor and go through all the large two handed weapons and set them to unusable on horseback.

 

[Worbah]

It's quite easy to mod it. In my mod I made most of the larger two handed weapons unusable on horseback - not only is it more realistic, it also improves infantry/cavalry balance. Just open up the editor and go through all the large two handed weapons and set them to unusable on horseback.

There should be infantry-only weapons in the game also. would make going on foot a considerable option (although most of my characters do so nowadays)

 

[quixotecoyote]

Wouldn't the inability of the weapons to be used on horseback force them to be infantry only?

 

[chaos]

Well swinging 2-handed weapon from back of horse is possible.
You should use weapon when You using legs to command the horse.

Did You guys remember nomad archers like Mongols Temudjin army ?
They used bows from horsebacks yess ? Im not suppose they did it with one hand
Why this technique cant be used to strike 2-handed swords ?
Of course can in theory. But ...why never was used in history ? Simple : giant swords arent handy weapons on horses like every 2-handed weapons except small composite bows ( of course not longbows )

But lets back to game and realism. 2-handed weapons should be for infantry ( like lot of crosbows types).

 

[malenn]

I must add that the Two hand weapons are not true twohanders on the sword side that is, i dont know about the polearms.
The swords in M&B is the more common Hand and a half sword and greatswords of the 15th century

The warsword is not a 200 cm monster weighing two tons but a well balanced sword about 124-130 cm weighing something like 1,5-2 kg in real life.

And the same goes for the greatsword.

 

[Tarrak]

Of course you can use a twohander on horseback... 'How effective' would be the correct question.

I hate to make this point, but take a look in Return of the King, there Viggo Mortensen sits atop a horse prior to the last battle in front of the Black Gate.
While a movie is never a good guage simple physics are. He wields Anduil easily in one hand, and that is a pretty big sword, easily the size of a M&B Sword of War.

So there we have a fairly untrained man whipping a large sword around in one hand.