All factions declare war following first castle

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Hello Everyone. Wanted to get your thoughts on how I should approach this. I have spent a lot of time as a mercenary and finally got to tier level 4. When I finally took a castle and created my own kingdom, within 10 days 4 factions declared war on me. How do you prevent this from happening or what can I do different? Thanks!
 
Hello Everyone. Wanted to get your thoughts on how I should approach this. I have spent a lot of time as a mercenary and finally got to tier level 4. When I finally took a castle and created my own kingdom, within 10 days 4 factions declared war on me. How do you prevent this from happening or what can I do different? Thanks!

I had the same problem. In this patch the AI tends to declare war on the weakest factions, which means they gang up on you as soon as you declare a new kingdom. I restarted my play through and built relations with 2 clans by being a vassal in the same kingdom as them and voting for them to get all the fiefs I didn't want. I built the relationship to 100 with both clans I wanted to recruit because creating a kingdom and keeping your fiefs is a -40 hit to relations with every clan in that kingdom. That's unavoidable. If I were you I would make sure you have more territory than just one castle before you create a kingdom. I had 4 castles and one city. The 2 vassals I recruited each had a city and a few castles as well.

Then when you're ready to create a kingdom, create an army with the head of the clans you want to recruit in the army. Go to some place where it makes it hard for them to run away from you(a natural dead end). Disband your army, create your kingdom, and recruit the clan leaders. Save before you do this because the clan leaders might form an army as soon as you create a kingdom. You can't recruit them if they're in an army. Then save scum the dogshi+e out of your recruiting attempts until you get it right. It might help to have high charm before you attempt this. I did. I don't know if it's necessary. I recruited one clan easy enough but the second one was already in an army before I got to him so I killed him off then went to his home city and waited outside until he reappeared. Then I recruited him. If you recruit vassals that you're at war with they bring their fiefs with them so don't make peace until you recruit the lords you want. When you do create your kingdom the clans you bring with you will have 60 relations and property so they WONT leave you as long as you don't lose all their fiefs.

It also helps if the faction you're leaving is at war with someone when you leave them so they cant focus solely on you.

When I finished the process I had most of Battanias mountain top territories(Seonan, Dunglanys, Pen Cannoc, and about 6 castles) to start. I wasn't the biggest pu$$y on earth so not everyone declared war on me right away. I still had to save scum to keep Vlandia from wiping me out since they were massive. I would load a save if they did declare on me. By taking a lot of Battanias territory with me when I started, it made them almost weaker than me to start, so when I took Marunath it flipped my power and theirs. Then Vlandia declared war on Battania instead of me, which allowed me to take as many Battanian territories that I didn't have before Vlandia gobbled them all up.

It helps if you keep the faction your joining weak before you declare your own kingdom. I played early game as a mercenary for whomever was at war with Battania because I knew I was planning on joining them and leaving them. That way when you create your own kingdom, they aren't that strong to start because they will declare war on you.

Yes, it's kind of gamey and it involves save scumming some things, but it worked. Now I'm well established and the game is fun.
 
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Never stuck with a game (or had it not patch related break) to get that far but...that sounds normal and like every other M&B game ive ever played. Why would centuries old monarchs allow a new upstart Kingdom in their region - of course they're gonna gang up on yas. Of course we hope for interesting mechanics to offset this onslaught and that I cannot vouch for - only hoping..
 
I had the same problem. In this patch the AI tends to declare war on the weakest factions, which means they gang up on you as soon as you declare a new kingdom. I restarted my play through and built relations with 2 clans by being a vassal in the same kingdom as them and voting for them to get all the fiefs I didn't want. I built the relationship to 100 with both clans I wanted to recruit because creating a kingdom and keeping your fiefs is a -40 hit to relations with every clan in that kingdom. That's unavoidable. If I were you I would make sure you have more territory than just one castle before you create a kingdom. I had 4 castles and one city. The 2 vassals I recruited each had a city and a few castles as well.

Then when you're ready to create a kingdom, create an army with the head of the clans you want to recruit in the army. Go to some place where it makes it hard for them to run away from you(a natural dead end). Disband your army, create your kingdom, and recruit the clan leaders. Save before you do this because the clan leaders might form an army as soon as you create a kingdom. You can't recruit them if they're in an army. Then save scum the dogshi+e out of your recruiting attempts until you get it right. It might help to have high charm before you attempt this. I did. I don't know if it's necessary. I recruited one clan easy enough but the second one was already in an army before I got to him so I killed him off then went to his home city and waited outside until he reappeared. Then I recruited him. If you recruit vassals that you're at war with they bring their fiefs with them so don't make peace until you recruit the lords you want. When you do create your kingdom the clans you bring with you will have 60 relations and property so they WONT leave you as long as you don't lose all their fiefs.

It also helps if the faction you're leaving is at war with someone when you leave them so they cant focus solely on you.

When I finished the process I had most of Battanias mountain top territories(Seonan, Dunglanys, Pen Cannoc, and about 6 castles) to start. I wasn't the biggest pu$$y on earth so not everyone declared war on me right away. I still had to save scum to keep Vlandia from wiping me out since they were massive. I would load a save if they did declare on me. By taking a lot of Battanias territory with me when I started, it made them almost weaker than me to start, so when I took Marunath it flipped my power and theirs. Then Vlandia declared war on Battania instead of me, which allowed me to take as many Battanian territories that I didn't have before Vlandia gobbled them all up.

It helps if you keep the faction your joining weak before you declare your own kingdom. I played early game as a mercenary for whomever was at war with Battania because I knew I was planning on joining them and leaving them. That way when you create your own kingdom, they aren't that strong to start because they will declare war on you.

Yes, it's kind of gamey and it involves save scumming some things, but it worked. Now I'm well established and the game is fun.

Thank you old-bull. This was very informative. I appreciate the amount of detail you put into your response. :smile: I will give it a try.
 
Other tips for surviving the early assault from creating a kingdom:

1. Make sure you have good relationships with a few clans, in addition to the ones you bring to create your kingdom. I brought Luichan's clan and Ergeons clan to start my kingdom. They both have 4 lords in their clans. It almost wasn't enough. Luckily I had a good relationship with Godun from Sturgia, since Sturgia always gets wiped out. I waited until he had no property and recruited him because his property was all the way over by Khuzait lands and it would have been impossible to defend.

2. When you do recruit a landless lord, get him a fief right away or they'll leave.

3. Don't get to spread out. Before you create your kingdom, try to keep all your property and the property of the clans you bring with you in the same area. You wont have a lot of lords to start so plan your location you want and vote accordingly as a vassal to keep your future kingdom all in the same area.
 
Thank you old-bull. This was very informative. I appreciate the amount of detail you put into your response. :smile: I will give it a try.

You're welcome. I kept getting crushed until I figured out I needed a few clans to come with me in a location that's easy to defend.
 
Hello Everyone. Wanted to get your thoughts on how I should approach this. I have spent a lot of time as a mercenary and finally got to tier level 4. When I finally took a castle and created my own kingdom, within 10 days 4 factions declared war on me. How do you prevent this from happening or what can I do different? Thanks!

That never happened to me, at the time of gaining kingdomship, all the major factions were at war with each other. I quickly went around to each leader and offered $$$$$ for browny points. Now they all like me - +2 , +3 relations.

As a wealthy trader, I also offered $$$$$$ to dispossessed faction leaders, so they could attack major factions and take their settlements. This kinda worked but major factions took them back quickly. I was hoping to take them myself but .. too slow, too weak.
 
Good to know, I will stockpile a dozen crafted javelins in case this happens to me too, should be enough to buy peace with everyone :smile:
 
Good to know, I will stockpile a dozen crafted javelins in case this happens to me too, should be enough to buy peace with everyone :smile:
The last time I did my own kingdom I made sure I had good funds and rep with the group I left and than took castles from. I would take one or two and than make peace with them so I can restock up. I"m about to try this again cause I need a break for my kids to grow up in current game and well D can fight his own wars for a while (I own a major city and 4 castles around it). I might break away from Vald later once we destroy the Empire lol
 
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