Al Qaeda organizational capability exaggerated?

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rejenorst

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I found this interesting, as with every youtube video take it with a grain of salt but add it to your FYI.

Its a BBC documentary that talks about how Al Qaeda was coined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA&feature=related
 
I have found a video that is related, its actually a self-done play by this Lawrence Wright.

Its quite interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kchpZXpylX0
Part 1. Other parts are in the videos that follow.

granted the guy that uploaded your video has some pretty wacky ones himself....



Granted, their point is not unrealistic.
 
rejenorst 说:
I found this interesting, as with every youtube video take it with a grain of salt but add it to your FYI.

Its a BBC documentary that talks about how Al Qaeda was coined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA&feature=related

They (Coalition soldiers) have found lots of Talibahn hideouts haven't they?
 
Urlik 说:
Talibahn =/= Al Qaeda

This in response to Zollum.


Familyguy1 说:
I have found a video that is related, its actually a self-done play by this Lawrence Wright.

Its quite interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kchpZXpylX0
Part 1. Other parts are in the videos that follow.

granted the guy that uploaded your video has some pretty wacky ones himself....



Granted, their point is not unrealistic.

Cheers am checking it out now.

Yeah the guy who uploaded the vid I linked has posted alot of political opinions that have nothing to do with the vid itself, or are indirectly related but unsubstantiated by the video,  so viewer beware.
 
yes, that was in response to Zollum.
I should have included a quote to make it clear.
 
Urlik 说:
yes, that was in response to Zollum.
I should have included a quote to make it clear.

It was clear. Sorry I just parroted you in response to Zollum :smile:


EDIT:

just finished watching My Trip to Al Qaeda but part 9 is missing :sad:

"My Trip To Al-Qaeda, by Lawrence Wright (Part 9 - 9)"
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****ing Fox News they take footage from every other news organization and use it as their own and then ***** when someone does it to them lol.

Ok no but the video was a pretty damn nice insight into the causes of extremism, especially with reference to humiliation.

Cheers for that.
 
rejenorst 说:
Urlik 说:
yes, that was in response to Zollum.
I should have included a quote to make it clear.

It was clear. Sorry I just parroted you in response to Zollum :smile:


EDIT:

just finished watching My Trip to Al Qaeda but part 9 is missing :sad:

"My Trip To Al-Qaeda, by Lawrence Wright (Part 9 - 9)"
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****ing Fox News they take footage from every other news organization and use it as their own and then ***** when someone does it to them lol.

Ok no but the video was a pretty damn nice insight into the causes of extremism, especially with reference to humiliation.

Cheers for that.
I watched in on HBO. Anyway check out his book(I am currently reading it, its great). Its called The Looming Tower.
 
As to the thread name, probably. In fact, most certainly. But there are, (luckily) plenty more terrorist organisations to be shotting at.

In fact, if you where to go very far, the U.S. has about 100 extremist armed militia groups that could be called 'terrorist' if the right situation arises. So we have plenty of reason to go scream our heads off.

Go buy guns, boys. I have a felling we're gonna need them. 
 
A_Mustang 说:
As to the thread name, probably. In fact, most certainly. But there are, (luckily) plenty more terrorist organisations to be shotting at.

In fact, if you where to go very far, the U.S. has about 100 extremist armed militia groups that could be called 'terrorist' if the right situation arises. So we have plenty of reason to go scream our heads off.

Go buy guns, boys. I have a felling we're gonna need them.

We had a whole thread about those extremist militias about a week ago. Some people seem to think they're heroes.
 
Urlik 说:
Talibahn =/= Al Qaeda

I know that but the video mentioned that they hadn't found any Taliban or Al Quaeda bases. Could ahve just been some slip up at the BBC.
 
Zollum 说:
Urlik 说:
Talibahn =/= Al Qaeda

I know that but the video mentioned that they hadn't found any Taliban or Al Quaeda bases. Could ahve just been some slip up at the BBC.

Depends on what is defined by base. In the video Rumsfeld makes the claim that there are numerous massive underground bunker systems and from the image that was included, they are apparently sophisticated enough to harness hydro electric power within the underground bunker systems. The construction feat alone of this would be impressive, maybe not impossible but impressive enough to warrant a lot of human and construction activity that would draw enough attention as to know the approximate location of one.

A cave with some ammo in it is a far cry from what both Al Qaeda and the Taliban where supposedly capable of.


A_Mustang 说:
As to the thread name, probably. In fact, most certainly. But there are, (luckily) plenty more terrorist organisations to be shotting at.

In fact, if you where to go very far, the U.S. has about 100 extremist armed militia groups that could be called 'terrorist' if the right situation arises. So we have plenty of reason to go scream our heads off.

Go buy guns, boys. I have a felling we're gonna need them. 

As discussed in the other thread; just because a their exercising their constitutional right... and I would go as far as saying constitutional duty they should not be considered terrorist organizations. In fact the Government has recently taken away a Child shortly after birth due to the parents affiliation with the non militia organization called oath keepers.

It seems to me that the Government is afraid people that might actually stick to the founding principles that the U.S. was built on, which might get in the way with the whole control thing and removal of civil liberties, so I dare say the Government of the U.S' top priority is to disarm its citizens especially given the potential for being blamed for all the **** ups it creates.

Heh, in 1987 the Port Harbor massacre was amazingly predicted in terms of location:

"There will never be uniform gun laws in Australia until there is a massacre in Tasmania." Barry Unsworth, New South Wales Labour Premiere

In 1996 there was a massacre in Tasmania.

Governments never let a national tragedy go to waste, John Howard ended up enforcing new gun regulations. Now the only people who have guns are those that are willing to brake the law in the first place, the black market for guns is thriving.












 
so they delivered about 10bil$ worth of cordite on a desertic tora bora, arrested thousand of people and killed countless others, to realise that the real enemy is a joke and that the whole populace is now pissed and well armed... thats non-sense!!! Everyone knows damned well that the talibans have special connections with Vault-Tec. They must've discovered some teleportation device no wonder why they disapear so quickly.
 
might be 98% off-topic but whatever, i found an actually decent right wing style Hamas propaghanda video, it looks and feels like a Marines video but replace the Flak Jackets and standard issue helmets by black coats and bandanas.

the indoctrination might only be caused by the lack of uberness from the counter-propaghanda. People don't want the truth people want to see cute chicks with big guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ZhRQOpYk8&feature=related
 
Deloused 说:
might be 98% off-topic but whatever, i found an actually decent right wing style Hamas propaghanda video, it looks and feels like a Marines video but replace the Flak Jackets and standard issue helmets by black coats and bandanas.

the indoctrination might only be caused by the lack of uberness from the counter-propaghanda. People don't want the truth people want to see cute chicks with big guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ZhRQOpYk8&feature=related

I liked the picture with the column of Hamas soldiers touting banners like it's 1200AD. Really instills confidence in their abilities in modern warfare.
 
Tiberius Decimus Maximus 说:
Deloused 说:
might be 98% off-topic but whatever, i found an actually decent right wing style Hamas propaghanda video, it looks and feels like a Marines video but replace the Flak Jackets and standard issue helmets by black coats and bandanas.

the indoctrination might only be caused by the lack of uberness from the counter-propaghanda. People don't want the truth people want to see cute chicks with big guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ZhRQOpYk8&feature=related

I liked the picture with the column of Hamas soldiers touting banners like it's 1200AD. Really instills confidence in their abilities in modern warfare.

And the IDF has those camo Zouave hats

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Hey, that's just class. That's like insulting the Bersaglieri's plumes.

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Oh, and my new favorite anti-tank rifle to boot. What a glorious coincidence.
 
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