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[Al_Mansur]

@ Matmo, thanks for these great suggestions and pictures of stag's horns If I had kept the late 12th century for the first period of my mod, then this stag's horn Spanish helm would have been one of the most emblematic of my mod. I hope people from Crusaders Way to Expiation and Europe 1200 will accept our suggestion.

@ Druzhina, great new But do the comments of the illustrations precise that these pirates are Moors ? Or do you just deduce it ?

 

[Csatádi]

There were similar helmets in the 14th century Hungary. Painted around 1360.

 

[Al_Mansur]

Indeed, as well as in 14th century Balkans and Byzantine empire.

 

[Druzhina]

@ Druzhina, great new But do the comments of the illustrations precise that these pirates are Moors ? Or do you just deduce it ?

Hi Al Mansur,

The caption for this panel on the full page includes "galea i marou o almiral" (or something similar). I think this means the same as "mouro" meaning muslim (moor). Almiral is a corruption of an arabic title (I don't know when this was adopted by the Spanish).

See Cantiga 95 for similar ships

Druzhina
Sites of Wargaming Interest

 

[matmohair1]

this helmet design is quite interesting too

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I wonder if it is related to this helmet worn by an Arezzo knight at the battle of Campaldino 1289

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There were similar helmets in the 14th century Hungary. Painted around 1360.

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Almiral is a corruption of an arabic title (I don't know when this was adopted by the Spanish).

A ship's naval commander or captain was referred to as "Amir al Bahr" (Prince/Leader of the Sea) by the Umayyads

 

[Al_Mansur]

Indeed it's a very interesting helm. Here bigger picture:

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I don't know any other representation of this helm in Las Cantigas. Besides, non-gilded crests are very rarely represented. I might model it once, but I don't know I would add it in my mod as it is very rare.

I wonder if it is related to this helmet worn by an Arezzo knight at the battle of Campaldino 1289

I don't think so. This crest looks like a basic european one, representing an animal head.

 

[matmohair1]

thanks man!, I've been looking everywhere for a larger picture
& this one shows a lot of details I never knew before 
I always thought that the decorations above were of soft material like stuffed leather,
& I never guessed that they where actually metallic. It looks more like sugar-loaf helm compared to the others,
some authors presume that it might have been designed to accommodate a turban.

I don't know any other representation of this helm in Las Cantigas. Besides, non-gilded crests are very rarely represented. I might model it once, but I don't know I would add it in my mod as it is very rare.

well, it was depicted twice, I guess it's simple to make and it might be a good idea to include it as well.

these net or diamond like decorations are amazing too, I never noticed them before

they remind me of similar decorations seen on later helmets

 

[Al_Mansur]

thanks man!, I've been looking everywhere for a larger picture
& this one shows a lot of details I never knew before 

You're welcome . Actually I take these high res pictures from the videos of sh4m69 in youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sh4m69/videos?query=cantiga
It might be interesting for Druzhina too.

I always thought that the decorations above were of soft material like stuffed leather,
& I never guessed that they where actually metallic.

Without your observation I would have not notice it . Actually I doesn't surprise me, as all the others crests shown in Las Cantigas are metallic. The fact that they are not gilded is more intriguing, as it is very uncommon. It might be a bias of the artist who made these panels.

It looks more like sugar-loaf helm compared to the others

I don't think so because the high dome is separated from the rest of the helm, whose top is flat. However, on other panels, some crested helms are very close to the Sugarloaf helm. I have compiled them (most of them are shown on Christian knights):

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some authors presume that it might have been designed to accommodate a turban.

Indeed that's the hypothesis of Ian Heath. Actually, I doubt it. Late 13th century Andalusian warriors had very European gears, and I think they used basic padded coifs under their helmets, helm and mighfar, like all the other Western European warriors of that time.

well, it was depicted twice, I guess it's simple to make and it might be a good idea to include it as well.

There will be non-gilded crests. Actually I was precisely speaking about this great helm with non-gilded crest, which is depicted only once. I could make it with a gilded crest though, then give it to Granadans, and let the Sugarloaf like helm for the Christians.

these net or diamond like decorations are amazing too, I never noticed them before
they remind me of similar decorations seen on later helmets

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Nice find ! Thanks, it helps a lot .

 

[matmohair1]

found plates dealing with the Battle of Salado - 1340 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_R%C3%ADo_Salado
Plates with commentary from the Russian magazine "Warrior"
& there's knight below wearing a plant motif crest!

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according to David Nicole, the crested sugar-loafs could also belong to Muslims in Christian service as well,
btw, how about heraldic turbans and hats  or a feature to change your own helmet's crest
like the "choose your own warpaint" feature in the 1866 mod. the Spanish knights
will look a lot more interesting & you could add a crown if you want to play as a king!

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oh, and how about  heraldic visored helmets with turbans
or ones with "heraldic turbans" 

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[Al_Mansur]

Great plates, although I hate this battle, shameful defeat

Otherwise, I doubt that the artists who made Las Cantigas represented Muslim mercenaries in Christian armies and Christian ones serving in Muslim ranks (excepted the Cantiga 181 which depicts some battles in Morocco involving Christian knights fighting for a Moorish king).

Concerning heraldic turbans, helmets, etc. I have a lot of projects for that. I'll explain it when I have time.

Concerning kings/rulers, they will constitute a class in each factions. I plan a lot of crowns, crowned helms, etc.

oh, and how about  heraldic visored helmets with turbans
or ones with "heraldic turbans" 

Unfortunately this cool helm is too early for my mod. But I plan to make turbaned versions of the Iberian chapel de fer, etc.


EDIT:
I took the illuminations of the very interesting Cantiga 99, which lacked in Druzhina's website excepted panel 6, from the video of sh4m69 (warning: huge pictures).
Panel 1:

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Panel 2:

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Panel 3:

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Panel 4:

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Panel 5:

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Panel 6 (not new):

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Some observations:
- Both Muslims and Christians wear Sugarloaf like crested great helms (panels 2, 3, 4 and 5), two of them being weird given their seeming absence of eyes slits (panel 2 and 5).
- Christians warriors wear Andalusian crested conical or round helmets (panels 1, 2 and 3).
- Some of these Andalusian crested helmets seem not to have any rim (panels 1, 3 and 6), which is infrequent among Las Cantigas illuminations.
- Some helmets worn by Muslims have nasal protections (panel 2, 3, 4 and perhaps 5), which is quite rare too.
- One Muslim warrior seems to have two crests - one on front and the other backwards - on his helmet (panel 2) whereas another has only a backwards one (panel 6).
- Many warriors, both Muslim and Christian, have fully gilded helmets (panel 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6).
- One Muslim warrior wears a helmet which seems to be made of leather (panel 5).
- Scale armors are widespread among Muslims (panels 1, 3, 4 and 5).
- One Christian warrior seems to have the arms of Castile painted on his cerveliere (panel 3), whereas one of his Muslim foes seems to have a black castle on red background painted on his similar cerveliere (panel 4).
- Sapping is represented (panel 3).
- The castle, as most of those illustrated in Las Cantigas, is of Moorish or Mudejar architecture and probably has a bretèche/brattice above its gate (panels 1, 2 and 3).

 

[Druzhina]

Hi Al Mansur,

It is amazing what details can be found with a large image!
I did have a look at the video site, but I don't have the broadband to be able to play them.
I am interested in any frames you have captured. I have found that I can save an image at 85% quality (rather than the 100% you have used) without any noticable difference. This makes the file size much smaller.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume and Soldiers

 

[Al_Mansur]

Actually the image aren't at their original size, I reduced them by about 25%, and yeah we can still reduce them without significant loss of quality.
I'll send you all the pictures I'll capture from these videos

 

[Csatádi]

they remind me of similar decorations seen on later helmets

Quite different things. This is a moveable nasal while the others are simply decorations.

Both Muslims and Christians wear Sugarloaf like crested great helms (panels 2, 3, 4 and 5), two of them being weird given their seeming absence of eyes slits (panel 2 and 5).

I don't see any sugarloaf on the Muslim part.
Anyway, as I know Christians fought on the Muslim side, too.

 

[Al_Mansur]

Quite different things. This is a moveable nasal while the others are simply decorations.

We didn't speak about the nasal, but about the diamond decoration of the right helmet.

I don't see any sugarloaf on the Muslim part.

Sugarloaf like helms, actually. Here:

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Anyway, as I know Christians fought on the Muslim side, too.

As I said, the artists did rarely represent Christian mercenaries in Muslim ranks or the reverse.

 

[Druzhina]

Actually the image aren't at their original size, I reduced them by about 25%, and yeah we can still reduce them without significant loss of quality.
I'll send you all the pictures I'll capture from these videos

Hi Al Mansur,
I see, but it was not the dimensions of the image I was referring to, it is the amount of compression in the .jpg format. At 100% quality there is no compression, so you have a large file size. At 85% quality the file may be one quarter of the memory size. So, you don't have to reduce the dimensions.

If you upload images to hapshack.com (like the others) or somewhere similar, I can download them 1 at a time.
Thanks

I have added large pictures for Panel 5, Cantiga 165 and
Panel 1, Cantiga 99,
Panel 2, Cantiga 99,
Panel 3, Cantiga 99,
Panel 4, Cantiga 99 &
Panel 5, Cantiga 99.
They are the same dimensions as those above, but the file size is smaller.

Druzhina
Illustrations of costume and Soldiers

 

[Al_Mansur]

Ok I see

 

[Csatádi]

Sugarloaf like helms, actually. Here:

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Are the soldiers on the left of the second picture Moors?
There is a conical norman helmet on the first picture.

 

[Al_Mansur]

Yes they are. Are you speaking about this round blue helmet with nasal guard ? It looks rather like Aragonese cervelieres than like a Norman helmet.

 

[Csatádi]

The conical one is on the right from the blue rounded helmet. But as I see the blue helmet in the background must be a sugarloaf. The helmet beside the red helmet.

 

[Al_Mansur]

Indeed it's a conical helmet (or more probably phrygian) with a typical Andalusian decorative gilded plaque, but it hasn't anything to do with Norman helmets.
Otherwise yes the great helm beside the red one has a Sugarloaf shape