AI Lord Personalities

[LtpLegend]

Hello All,

I have searched and searched for days now trying to find a list of all lords and there personality. I can't find anything. I don't even know all the personality types. I have seen Calculating and Debauched that's about it. Can anyone point me in the right direction or maybe start making a list? I would be glad to help. Or is it possible that its randon? Although I feel every game I play Lord Delinard is always the same upstanding guy he is. ( I always marry his daughter for the family connections) I feel this would be very helpful. Thank You

 

[Caba`drin]

I believe it has something to do with the randomized lord personalities at game start. Those factions may have had an overwhelming number of debauched, etc, lords so their relations with their lieges fell over time. If they have been getting beat up in battles this would accelerate the process. I've not tracked down solid evidence of this yet in the scripts, but it looks plausible.

As for fixes, I do not know of any.

I was under the impression that all factions had an equal number of honorable, debauched, etc lords from the start. If what you say is true (and I can't say it isn't), that would put a premium on speaking with every lord on the map prior to choosing a faction to join. It's funny though, because as my honor goes up, I seem to increase relations with equal numbers of lords from each faction.

The first seven lords of each faction are equally distributed honorable, debauched, etc. After that, the next 4 older lords are have their personalities randomly selected. After those are selected younger lords (sons of the first seven and the other 4 older lords...so 9 of the lords total) have a 50% chance of having their father's personality and a 50% chance of having a random personality. If the 4 randomly assigned older lords are mostly dishonorable, then there's a large chance that the crop of their kids will be too.

Randomizing lord personalities in this way helps each game flow differently, I'd say. Some games you've a bunch of honor-bound loyalists, and others backstabbers who hop all over Calradia before ending up with the player or a trip to the beyond.

And notes on the various reputations/personalities, taken directly from the code:

#lord reputation type, for commentaries
#"Martial" will be twice as common as the other types
lrep_none           = 0 
lrep_martial        = 1 #chivalrous but not terribly empathetic or introspective, - eg Richard Lionheart, your average 14th century French baron
lrep_quarrelsome    = 2 #spiteful, cynical, a bit paranoid, possibly hotheaded - eg Robert Graves' Tiberius, some of Charles VI's uncles
lrep_selfrighteous  = 3 #coldblooded, moralizing, often cruel - eg William the Conqueror, Timur, Octavian, Aurangzeb (although he is arguably upstanding instead, particularly after his accession)
lrep_cunning        = 4 #coldblooded, pragmatic, amoral - eg Louis XI, Guiscard, Akbar Khan, Abd al-Aziz Ibn Saud
lrep_debauched      = 5 #spiteful, amoral, sadistic - eg Caligula, Tuchman's Charles of Navarre
lrep_goodnatured    = 6 #chivalrous, benevolent, perhaps a little too decent to be a good warlord - eg Hussein ibn Ali. Few well-known historical examples maybe. because many lack the drive to rise to faction leadership. Ranjit Singh has aspects
lrep_upstanding     = 7 #moralizing, benevolent, pragmatic, - eg Bernard Cornwell's Alfred, Charlemagne, Salah al-Din, Sher Shah Suri

lrep_roguish        = 8 #used for commons, specifically ex-companions. Tries to live life as a lord to the full
lrep_benefactor     = 9 #used for commons, specifically ex-companions. Tries to improve lot of folks on land
lrep_custodian      = 10 #used for commons, specifically ex-companions. Tries to maximize fief's earning potential

#lreps specific to dependent noblewomen
lrep_conventional    = 21 #Charlotte York in SATC seasons 1-2, probably most medieval aristocrats
lrep_adventurous     = 22 #Tomboyish. However, this basically means that she likes to travel and hunt, and perhaps yearn for wider adventures. However, medieval noblewomen who fight are rare, and those that attempt to live independently of a man are rarer still, and best represented by pre-scripted individuals like companions
lrep_otherworldly    = 23 #Prone to mysticism, romantic. 
lrep_ambitious       = 24 #Lady Macbeth
lrep_moralist        = 25 #Equivalent of upstanding or benefactor -- takes nobless oblige, and her traditional role as repository of morality, very seriously. Based loosely on Christine de Pisa

 

[Nikomakkos]

Wow, this should be stickied

 

[Caba`drin]

Wow, this should be stickied

Actually, now that I look again, in the unofficial single player "manual" stickied above, see Chapter 5 for a listing of the dialog text that goes along with each personality type. More useful than me copy-pasting the commented code, I suppose. Heh.

So, @OP, also see the stickied manual above.

 

[LtpLegend]

Thank You Sir will do

 

[Caba`drin]

I can think of 2 types that are in the game but, apparently, no notes are in the code about them: pitiless and calculating.  I wonder what behavior those types are prone to?

Pitiless=selfrighteous above.
Calculating=cunning above.

And, for the ladies,
Romantic=otherworldly above.

 

[JosieJ]

I can think of 2 types that are in the game but, apparently, no notes are in the code about them: pitiless and calculating.  I wonder what behavior those types are prone to?

Pitiless=selfrighteous above.
Calculating=cunning above.

And, for the ladies,
Romantic=otherworldly above.

Thanks--about 2 minutes after I posted my comment, my brain kicked in and made the connection, so I deleted it.  I'm guessing "debauched" means "sadistic," as well.

 

[Lord Brutus]

My fondest wish is that more people would have their brain kick in like yours, Josie.

 

[Caba`drin]

My fondest wish is that more people would have their brain kick in like yours, Josie.

Hear, hear!

 

[JosieJ]

Heh--I just wish my brain kicked in before I hit "post" more often!  (It'd also be good if my brain kicked in before I spoke--that doesn't happen often enough, either!)

 

[ripple]

Based on the SP manual stickied, it seems as if the personality traits only have an impact on relations, like marriage and whether you can persuade these lords to defect. Does it have any other impact, like whether they have a more aggressive campaign AI (if made faction marshal), size of their armies (if they are say, martial), that sort of thing?

 

[Zamensis]

Upping this because I have a question.

The first seven lords of each faction are equally distributed honorable, debauched, etc. After that, the next 4 older lords are have their personalities randomly selected. After those are selected younger lords (sons of the first seven and the other 4 older lords...so 9 of the lords total) have a 50% chance of having their father's personality and a 50% chance of having a random personality. If the 4 randomly assigned older lords are mostly dishonorable, then there's a large chance that the crop of their kids will be too.

According to this quote, we should have 7+4=11 older lords. Then we have 7 sons + 4 younger lords = 11 younger lords. We should then have 22 lords in total, but there's only 20 lords per faction. I'm a bit confused...

 

[bonez899]

Upping this because I have a question.

The first seven lords of each faction are equally distributed honorable, debauched, etc. After that, the next 4 older lords are have their personalities randomly selected. After those are selected younger lords (sons of the first seven and the other 4 older lords...so 9 of the lords total) have a 50% chance of having their father's personality and a 50% chance of having a random personality. If the 4 randomly assigned older lords are mostly dishonorable, then there's a large chance that the crop of their kids will be too.

According to this quote, we should have 7+4=11 older lords. Then we have 7 sons + 4 younger lords = 11 younger lords. We should then have 22 lords in total, but there's only 20 lords per faction. I'm a bit confused...

Budget cuts?

 

[Zamensis]

I mean, seriously...

 

[annallia]

Did you count the king and claimant?

 

[Zamensis]

I thought of it, but they're not mentioned it that quote and, after all, they're not lords, they don't have personalities.

 

[bonez899]

I thought of it, but they're not mentioned it that quote and, after all, they're not lords, they don't have personalities.

LOL... (I'm not trolling I just can't resist)

But to be honest I would have to count the king and claiment as without them there wouldn't be a faction because all of the interesting things that can be done with a faction would be gone.

 

[annallia]

I thought of it, but they're not mentioned it that quote and, after all, they're not lords, they don't have personalities.

See I thought the same way you did, however when you count the king and the claimant you have 22 lords instead of 20 so I am kinda thinking they counted them in that...

Well sort of thought the same way you did, they are lords just not in service to anyone so I didn't count them.

 

[Zamensis]

I thought of it, but they're not mentioned it that quote and, after all, they're not lords, they don't have personalities.

See I thought the same way you did, however when you count the king and the claimant you have 22 lords instead of 20 so I am kinda thinking they counted them in that...

Well sort of thought the same way you did, they are lords just not in service to anyone so I didn't count them.

Well, if they're indeed lords, are they older lords or younger lords ? Carefully reading, it doesn't match the quote from Caba, I'm afraid, though I'd have liked it was that simple.

 

[annallia]

Kings are old claimants are young. At least that is the way I look at it and it is seemingly true with maybe an exception of Dustim Khan.