Agility affecting damage?

[Ingolifs]

Just before, i was thinking how damage calculations in the game are dependant on relativistic factors (how fast the weapon is moving compared to how fast the target is moving)

Since agility gives a +0.5% increase to weapon speed, does that mean it slightly increases damage too?

 

[Big J Money]

I was thinking the same thing. My guess is no. When he says "weapon speed", I think he means the base weapon speed. Maybe we'll find out for sure, soon.

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[Skyrage]

It should, since speedbonus = more damage as well afaik.

 

[Big J Money]

Agility doesn't affect your speed in the game; only the Athletics skill, lower encumbrance and riding a horse do. I think he wants to know if Agility increases damage.

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[Worbah]

Agility DOES increase your attack speed.

 

[quixotecoyote]

But the speedbonus is a bonus from movement, as the attack speed is indepenent of movement, you don't get a bonus from agi

 

[Wood]

Agility does give more weapon proficiency, which would then increase damage.

 

[Skyrage]

The faster you swing your weapon, the more damage you deal. Most should know that's how the game physics works anyway. If there's no force behind the swing there'll be little or no damage dealt.

 

[lancer63]

The faster you swing your weapon, the more damage you deal. Most should know that's how the game physics works anyway. If there's no force behind the swing there'll be little or no damage dealt.

That's also why horsemen can kill with one swing when the horse is at max speed.

 

[Skyrage]

Yep, indeed. Not entirely sure whether there's a limit or max(doubt it to be honest), but if there isn't, hitting an opponent that rides against you at high speed while you ride against him will most likely hurt almost as badly as a bulls-eye couched lance attack. I wouldn't really know for sure though since I tend to play as footman all the time lol.
But even then I tend to use the speed of enemy horsemen agains them for maximizing damage.

 

[n00854180t]

Agility doesn't affect your speed in the game; only the Athletics skill, lower encumbrance and riding a horse do. I think he wants to know if Agility increases damage.

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I believe Agility does in fact affect your run speed. Try going and upping a character's Agility without putting points in athletics.

 

[DaLagga]

I don't believe that agility has any affect on the weapon damage speed bonus. I've tested this before with slashes quite a bit. I had an idea, that if i were to increase my sensitivity, and do a 180 degree turn when i slashed, it would do a damage bonus (as in real life it would as you would be building up alot more momentum behind that slash). But it in fact does not. Only your movement speed relative to their speed affects this bonus, not the speed at which you swing the weapon. The reason you get a speed bonus while attacking from horseback has nothing to do with the speed at which you swing the weapon either, it is once again, your movement speed relative to theirs. However, thrusting seems to be a different matter.

 

[Big J Money]

We need to get Armagan's quote in here, beause everyone seems to have their own interpretation on how it works. I remember him saying it was based on two things: Movement speed (target and attacker), and weapon speed. The way he stated it, it sounded to me as if he were saying these two elements are determined seperately, not computed together for every situation. He also didn't specify whether "weapon speed" means the base weapon speed, or the modified weapon speed once skill + agility are factored in. My vote is the base speed, but it would be nice if he went to the trouble to add the modifiers in, too.

[Edit: Quote found, and appended here]

It's all computed with a uniform model now that takes into account relative speed[,] direction of the relative speed and direction of the attack, as well as the speed rating of the weapon. It should be pretty much physically accurate and intuitive.

Anyway, "speed rating of the weapon" is the part that makes be think Agility is not factored into this at all. It's intersting to note, "direction of the attack". I'm not sure how this could be relative, because all attacks have only forward momentum, right? Unless the above-head chop is considered to have more downward momentum.

Agility doesn't affect your speed in the game; only the Athletics skill, lower encumbrance and riding a horse do. I think he wants to know if Agility increases damage.

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I believe Agility does in fact affect your run speed. Try going and upping a character's Agility without putting points in athletics.

I think this was the only person who caught that I was referring to run speed here, not weapon speed. Are you sure, Saibot? I won't argue, but I would have thought it would be listed as a benefit when you select "Agility" on your char sheet screen. If this is true, I wonder what is better: High AGI and no Athletics, or high Athletics and low to moderate AGI. I thought the point of basing running speed on Athletics was so that strong barbarian types don't have to be quick with weapons, but are still good sprinters.

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[Skyrage]

It states that you get half a percent weapon speed for each point of agility...

 

[Big J Money]

....to all weapons. He specifically stated the "speed rating of the weapon", not just "weapon speed". I think it could be either way. I probably shouldn't even be so hard-headed about pointing it out, but I'm a semantics guy. In my view, his specific language was deliberate, and I think the deliberation is because it doesn't include the agility modifier. I'm also too thorough sometimes.

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[katank]

The faster operation of your weapon would mean higher damage per unit time.

Also, a faster recovery means that you may get a hit in that you otherwise would not while moving past fast one horseback.

With high agility and proficiency, I can swing my 2Her faster than low level NPCs can swing a scimitar.

 

[Big J Money]

GARGH!! Nobody is arguing with the obvious. I'm just trying to answer the friggin' question the original poster posed! Yes, we all are aware that if you can swing your weapon faster, you will do more damage over time. Agility helps this phenomenon. I'll stick my foot in my mouth and swallow if the original poster actually did not know this.

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[Daimyo]

I'll stick my foot in my mouth and swallow if the original poster actually did not know this.

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He just pmed me, he didn't know. Do you want to sever it before swallowing? Don't worry, it tastes like rotten beans and gorgonzola usually.

 

[Ingolifs]

I don't know what?

 

[Big J Money]

He's just up to his wily tricks again. Don't ever trust a Daimyo.

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