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after the weirdest siege ever, a conclusion
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No, they are not supposed to be either...ttgg said:Redwood are supposed to be the bad guys? Guess I don't have to feel bad when I crush them beneath my heel
ttgg
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Something unusual said:No, they are not supposed to be either...ttgg said:Redwood are supposed to be the bad guys? Guess I don't have to feel bad when I crush them beneath my heel
habeo123 said:
Guess it depends on your interpretation of hostile and warmongering
Maybe they are like the native americans, just defending what they think is theirs?
_Cooper_
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For the most part thats right, if i remember right from the lore the Elvarie were the original inhabitants of Perisno. They are very hostile, but isnt every faction hungry for power and conquest?ttgg said:Something unusual said:No, they are not supposed to be either...ttgg said:Redwood are supposed to be the bad guys? Guess I don't have to feel bad when I crush them beneath my heel
habeo123 said:
Guess it depends on your interpretation of hostile and warmongering
ttgg
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_Cooper_ said:
Well let's see
[quote author=Michadr]
The first settlers of Perisno were the Redwood Elves (In the year 321). They settled in the woodlands of Perisno and quickly beat the other inhabitants into submission through military might and power. There is very little known about the Redwood Elves and where they got their name. Natives and outsiders soon learned that the Elves were a force to be reckoned with. If you faced them in battle, you had to fight or die, because the Redwoods caught all deserters and executed them brutally.
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Also
[quote author=Michadr]
Redwoods Elves (year 321)
Perisno (year unknown) (Player kingdom, not established yet)
Hakkon Empire (year 330)
Tolrania (year 342)
Maccavia (year 346)
Drahara (year 359)
Reich des Drachen (year 363)
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So basically they arrived as invaders themselves, with the other factions arriving only a few years later, and beat the native population into submission. They are very brutal, and execute their own if they don't want to fight.
Either lore needs to be adjusted or they are indeed the bad guy, as I see it
ttgg said:So basically they arrived as invaders themselves, with the other factions arriving only a few years later, and beat the native population into submission. They are very brutal, and execute their own if they don't want to fight.
Either lore needs to be adjusted or they are indeed the bad guy, as as I see it
DIS!!! this should be added into freelancer script, if u desert any redwood lord's army, or rebel against the lord, u get -200 relations, that would be perfect!
To put it simply, there are good and bad elves just as there are good and bad humans. A real "evil" faction would be the House of Onyx or Demon Worshippers. The Redwood were discriminated and disliked by the humans ever since they came to Perisno so they have decided to fight them and become hostile to anyone who isnt Elvarie.
I have to say all this seems strange to me. 
In my current game, Redwood is down to 2 Towns and 3 Castles, being worn down by Tolrania, I currently have 4 Towns and 5 castles, taking over the centre of the map, currently fighting 3 factions including the Zann. I do not think I am super duper, and I have not met the Redwood in conflict yet, but to me, the game seems very well balanced.
It is day 334, and I did not go the vassal route, never even did any mercenary work, I like the hard slog, and while I slowly built up, nobody got battered by anyone else, so I wonder is it the way the game initialises?
I never completed the previous game as the new release came out before I finished, but then there were no massive gains by anyone, so I am happy
Leave Redwood alone, I want a challenge later in the game (assuming they are still around)
In my current game, Redwood is down to 2 Towns and 3 Castles, being worn down by Tolrania, I currently have 4 Towns and 5 castles, taking over the centre of the map, currently fighting 3 factions including the Zann. I do not think I am super duper, and I have not met the Redwood in conflict yet, but to me, the game seems very well balanced.
It is day 334, and I did not go the vassal route, never even did any mercenary work, I like the hard slog, and while I slowly built up, nobody got battered by anyone else, so I wonder is it the way the game initialises?
I never completed the previous game as the new release came out before I finished, but then there were no massive gains by anyone, so I am happy
Leave Redwood alone, I want a challenge later in the game
(assuming they are still around)
Yozzer said:I have to say all this seems strange to me.
In my current game, Redwood is down to 2 Towns and 3 Castles, being worn down by Tolrania, I currently have 4 Towns and 5 castles, taking over the centre of the map, currently fighting 3 factions including the Zann. I do not think I am super duper, and I have not met the Redwood in conflict yet, but to me, the game seems very well balanced.
It is day 334, and I did not go the vassal route, never even did any mercenary work, I like the hard slog, and while I slowly built up, nobody got battered by anyone else, so I wonder is it the way the game initialises?
I never completed the previous game as the new release came out before I finished, but then there were no massive gains by anyone, so I am happy
Leave Redwood alone, I want a challenge later in the game
sometimes the Random God favors people, but in 5 different saves, redwood steamrolled tolrania and hakkon under 100 days. 5 times means it isn't balanced.
There are plenty of options to deal with that: making them more defensive(which is tricky and might involve some coding), push them afar from the rest of the map(forcing the AI not to attack due to distance), reduce the number of lords they have(that makes their campaigns shorter), debuff all it's units(idk if would be such a good idea, but it would be almost harmless), make their government style have less elite troops(also reasonable)...
Challenge here is to give a leash so the player can grow within the game and only see the bigass conquering after day 100(which is by default the D-day in the game, it's when u are powerful enough to take a role in the setting and it's when u are already used to the game)
Katsuki
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ttgg said:Something unusual said:
Under WW2, there were good Germans and bad Germans, but Nazis made even the good ones do bad things
Have you ever heard something about the Godwin's law ?
Because you made it true
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