Africa ain''t going nowhere fast

[Sir Prince]

Ok, I admit, I don't know all the facts, but how much money has the world poured into Africa? Has it done much? Sure, it's accomplsihed some, but our tactic of throwing money at the problem is taking forever. Face it, not everyone can live the way we do, it's (I prefer not to use ïmpossiable" but it's a close enoguh word) impossiable. I'm not saying cut the money off, but, wouldn't a $12 US donation (just one mind you, not millions) be better put to use by Armagan? And a few cents of that will probably end up in charity anyways.

 

[McPa]

Of course, all the money should be used to create computer labs where Africans can create games like M&B and become the world's #1 game maker.

I predict M&B 2 will bring millions to Turkey.

 

[Verloc]

It's incorrect to speak of Africa as a whole.I live in South-Africa,it's independent country mind you,we have white men,black men,eastern men,middle eastern men,indian men.

People of all races live here.
And to say that wev'e been doing nothing with the money invested in our country would be horribly incorrect,the country has grown from 1999 to 2005 with more than 75%.Okay we are not as strong as other countries like Britain and Japan and so on,but we'll get there.

We are by far the most advanced and most productively growing country on the whole african continent

 

[McPa]

Thus you are the worst example to prove his point

We need someone from Zimbabwe to respond, now THAT's corruption of foreing money, and international black-mail, at its finest, old Nigeria would do fine too.

 

[meatbag999]

Yeah yeah, Not every country can live and develop like USA or England.

Enviroment is diffirents. And the natural resources too. If the world wants to help them. We shouldn't throw the money on them. Cuz there will be corruption. Money won't get to those whos really need them. Instead, help them create jobs. Help them farm... blah blah blah.

If you give a man a fish. He'll come and ask for a fish every day.
But if you give a man a fishing pole and teach him how to catch fish.
He will have and eat as many fish as he want every day.

 

[Archonsod]

Thus you are the worst example to prove his point

We need someone from Zimbabwe to respond, now THAT's corruption of foreing money, and international black-mail, at its finest, old Nigeria would do fine too.

419 Scams are apparently the third to fifth largest industry in the country. Looks like they're adapting well to the new market anyway...

 

[Worbah]

When talking about lack of development and all that, you must remember that a large chunk of Europe and America have benefitted from Africa, mainly from their natural resources and slaves.

 

[barbaros]

When talking about lack of development and all that, you must remember that a large chunk of Europe and America have benefitted from Africa, mainly from their natural resources and slaves.

Yes, this is true.
I know that development of a country is very complex and can't be explained by just one variable but its easy to notice the negative correlation between the development level and the average temperature of today's countries. I mean
* Africa is the hottest and least developped.
* Around meditterenian sea, weather is colder than Africa but still warmer than north. So those countries (Spain, Greece, Turkey) are more developed but not much.
* To the north (Germany, England, Russia, Scandinavian countries, north of America etc.) they are the most developped (or richest). Even in the same country, northern part is more developed (Italy and USA is like that as far as I know).
* There are only a few esceptions to this rule.
This is like this since around 18th century I guess (you know Egyptians, Arabs were the most advanced sometime in history for example). Is this theory my imagination?. What can be the reason?.
Maybe a typical person living in a cold country say "Hey, the weather is very bad, we can't go to picnic or do anything outside. So let's make some scientific research. Ahh, I have found electricity."

 

[Verloc]

I think another thing you should remember,for instance in our country,my country isn't very old,like the USA or Europe.We only settled round about 1880.

I think thats another factor.The other factor is the people that live here...*sigh*...and this is just an observation i've made...certain people,like the gouvernment is retarted,and if certain other people from the north didn't came here 1652 we'd never have come this far.

These certain people would never have discovered the wheel ffs!

Thats why there was more development in South-Africa

 

[Elias_Maluco]

Its silly to think that the whole world can be as "developed" like Europe or USA. There are not enough richness in the world for every silgle country to be as rich as USA, Holland or Japan. Its all about richness distribution: if we have people with loads of richness, then we need people with little or none of it.

Also, its silly to think that the "developed" world is "developed" just becouse of their own market and natural resourses and such: they get "developed" buying cheap materials from the poor and selling expensive technological **** in exchange, or selling money with high interest and etc.

The world needs poor and rich countries, I mean, the rich ones need the poor countries to be rich. And really, throwing money in donations at Africa or other "third world countries" is just like giving a few coins to a beggar and it serves no purpose other than giving a little moral relief to the rich.

 

[Elias_Maluco]

I think thats another factor.The other factor is the people that live here...*sigh*...and this is just an observation i've made...certain people,like the gouvernment is retarted,and if certain other people from the north didn't came here 1652 we'd never have come this far.

These certain people would never have discovered the wheel ffs!

A somewhat racist statment that goes well with your nazi avatar. But, heck, maybe you are right in some aspects. But is very naive to think Europe went to Africa (or America) to bring "civilization" to the savage: they were there to loot and enslave.

The fact is: there was a kinda a "clash of civilizations" some centuries ago, bettew Europe and Africa, and Europe have how the battle, and went to enslave and rape Africa in any way they could. And that is, of course, the main reason on why Africa is so poor.

 

[Laurence of Arabia]

Ok, I admit, I don't know all the facts, but how much money has the world poured into Africa? Has it done much? Sure, it's accomplsihed some, but our tactic of throwing money at the problem is taking forever. Face it, not everyone can live the way we do, it's (I prefer not to use ïmpossiable" but it's a close enoguh word) impossiable. I'm not saying cut the money off, but, wouldn't a $12 US donation (just one mind you, not millions) be better put to use by Armagan? And a few cents of that will probably end up in charity anyways.

Put simply, if you were starving your ass off in Africa, you wouldn't be saying this.

 

[Pavlov]

The world needs poor and rich countries, I mean, the rich ones need the poor countries to be rich. And really, throwing money in donations at Africa or other "third world countries" is just like giving a few coins to a beggar and it serves no purpose other than giving a little moral relief to the rich.

Very true, it's a lot like beauty, we need ugly people to make models looks good to us. Plus if everyone was middle class and even, then we would have communism, and we all know that capitalism is ever so much better, and funner! kindda like peeing on the little kid in jr high.

 

[Archonsod]

The fact is: there was a kinda a "clash of civilizations" some centuries ago, bettew Europe and Africa, and Europe have how the battle, and went to enslave and rape Africa in any way they could. And that is, of course, the main reason on why Africa is so poor.

The problem there is that much the same thing happened to America, and it became the richest country in the world. Similar story in India, Pakistan, Australia and so on.

Most of Africa's problems weren't caused when the European powers went in, they happened when they left. It still has the most natural resources in the world, many of which are underdeveloped. There is enough wealth present in the country to develop those resources.
The real reason is that unlike India or the US, when the European powers pulled out of Africa they left no stable government behind. In many cases, they were replaced by warlords and dictators who lost no time in re-igniting tribal feuds or attacking their neighbours.

 

[Yoshiboy]

i bet if everyone in the US and europe went over to africa to work in some sweatshops owned by people in africa, africa would do great.

The money needs to go to the right places but before that can even happen the goverments of the countries of the world need to put some weight on companies so that they dont give crap trade rates.

Unfortunately the people in these larege coorperations are also usually in goverment or hold a large sway in goverment affairs.

Greed corrupts all.

 

[Archonsod]

I think pressure would be better applied on the governments themselves.

In many cases this is the root of the corruption. Even if the corporations were forced to offer fair rates, you can guarantee the money would still end up in the hands of the same people.

 

[Rabid Potatoe]

Hmmm.... I think all of the worlds problems would be solved if certain people were to die...

 

[Sir Prince]

Bah, death is to easy, how about Gnetic Engineering? Lots of good points here guys, and yes, I was generalizing big time.

 

[leo]

Genetic engineering of what? It's really hard to know what you mean.

Do you mean genetically engineering crops to make them resistant to pests / grow in harsh environments / fix their own nitrogen / produce more nutritious food? Do you mean genetically engineering people to make them healthier? Do you mean genetically engineering a subhuman race of half animal half man creatures that we enslave and force to do hard and dangerous labor?

Really, genetic engineering is a broad topic. And while the most likely thing that you're talking about is plant biotechnology / agricultural engineering, I'd like to clarify to be sure that this is what you mean.

 

[Sir Prince]

Genetic engineering of what? Do you mean genetically engineering people to make them healthier? Do you mean genetically engineering a subhuman race of half animal half man creatures that we enslave and force to do hard and dangerous labor?.

Something like that.