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demize2010

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Imagine flying around on dragons with similar combat dynamics to horses, would be ace :wink:

Before I get flamed I know this isn't a very practicle idea but I don't see any harm in suggesting it :wink:
 
Arial combat! I look forwards to fighting with fonts. Will my Arial Condensed beat your Arial Black?
 
The harm in suggesting it is that people have to read it. No, sorry - it's completely without merit unless you could mod it, which is, I imagine, extremely difficult (you may as well make your own game at that point).

Seriously, though, I think the OP can change the topic name...?
 
Airborne combat will give a severe disadvantage to any ground based troops. Not only will the AI of ranged units fail to keep up with speed of an airborne creature, but melee troops would be unable to attack it as well.

And considering this airborne creature would be birdlike or dragon-like, it would make the side combat so suited to those on horseback redundant seeing that the creature's wings would get in the way.

Implementing flying beasts is an interesting idea, but unless there are ranged weapons (Like gunpowder weapons) and methods capable of taking down these sort of creatures quickly and effectively, this is simply another form of godhood in game.
 
That, I believe, was not the point of Rathyr and me. It was that Aerial combat is completely unrealistic and thus cannot fit into Native.
 
For native it's completely unheard of. I know you like zombies, but this is outrageous :smile:
But it could be like the pistol: Even though it's not in native it could be used in fantasy modifications.

Sulibres 说:
Airborne combat will give a severe disadvantage to any ground based troops.
That's just a matter of balance. Beowulf managed to kill a dragon   :grin:
 
Screw you guys. Flaming some "noob" who, by the way, released way more content that you assholes is a great sign of your maturity. Hell, you're pathetic. There is no harm in suggesting it. Get a life- only an idiot with a complete attachment to a forum for lack of reality would try to greatly to defend it from "noobs".

 
The mechanics could be useful, and for your information, aerial combat is the focus of an entire mod (BSG).
There are many mods that could benefit from this, as well as many perfectly realistic uses- Hunting Hawks, Carrier Pigeons, all used in medieval times. In fact, having hawks for Khergit lords could be useful.

How about you stop *****ing, and actually contribute.
 
Elenmmare 说:
Screw you guys. Flaming some "noob" who, by the way, released way more content that you assholes is a great sign of your maturity. Hell, you're pathetic. There is no harm in suggesting it. Get a life- only an idiot with a complete attachment to a forum for lack of reality would try to greatly to defend it from "noobs".

Look, he himself said it's not practical, and he expected us to criticize him. That's very bad criteria for making a suggestion. I say it's a great idea for a mod but makes no sense whatsoever in native, simply because it's not real.
 
:shock: Yilkes it was only a suggestion... if you don't post on this thread then it won't clog up the forum anymore :wink:

I'm sure the mods are quite capable of policing the forums and deleting threads that they believe to be of little or no importance...

As stated it was only an idea I had - there is a lot of stuff in native that isn't being used presently eg gun powder weapons, undead, several quests and more

Obviously practical uses would probably be limited to mods... but is still and interesting concept. The chance of it actually getting implemented is marginal but an idea is an idea...

I'm not strongly minded about the topic, it was a whimsical fancy at best - but thanks to your comments I'll now treat the idea with a bit more seriousness, Plato's Cave and all that :wink:...

This idea would aim to add another dimension to the game, increasing tactical variance, giving new options for players and generating a brand spanking new game dynamic...

Theoretically to get a "flying unit" wouldn't be to hard -  but difficulties would include manageing wind resistance, flight speed and gravity (to get the feeling of quickly swooping in and then fighting to gain altitude) and obviously the vertical height and width of the scene. This equates to turning a simple "flying agent" into a troop type that appears to be restrained by physics and hence must act and behave realistically. On top of this is the problem of getting the AI to know what to do - i think presently if they can't path find to their targets and have no ranged weapons then they stand still, i am unsure how melee units would react to an agent attacking them from an area that again they can't path find too. AI aerial units are obviously going to need some altered form of the current mounted AI.

As far as balancing goes it is safe to say that these units will probably only be checked by other flying units. Perhaps very week armour and health and a slow movement speed would address the balance, allowing missile troops to pick them out of the air effectively. Pikes and spears would find the same use here as they do against cavalry.

Other then that most player actions would remain the same with lances bows and swords (seating positions would have to accommodate for arm room etc)... but perhaps you might need to tilt your swoop on decent a little to get a clean strike...

Again the chance of it actually getting implemented into native is extremelly unlikely, but is real world results always the purpose of sharing ideas?

Now feel free to flame as much as you like... there is a certain amount of irony in perpetuating a topic that you hate so much :razz:
 
Elenmare: There's no use telling people to stop being retarded assholes then spamming forth **** of your own. No ones going to take you seriously if you say "stop flaming you god damn assholes"

I can't see this happening, ever. They're staying away from fantasy, it's a pseudo-realistic game. I'd say the chances of this happening is, 0%
 
I'd like having areal combat, though, it'd fit better into a fantasy modification, obviously.
 
Redcoat - Mic 说:
I can't see this happening, ever. They're staying away from fantasy, it's a pseudo-realistic game. I'd say the chances of this happening is, 0%
This is true.  It will not happen, sorry.

Rathyr: cool off. 
 
War Pigeons to the skies!

It would be incredibly useful for mods. Problem is, that sky box doesn't look too high...
 
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