ACTA

[TMAN76]

This is an Outrage, you can view more Info here: http://www.anti-acta.com/ Or wikipedia.
This means that most of our privacy on the internet is Compromised. We cant do anything private on the internet, because it is 100% viewed by the government/s
Please, do not let this happen.

 

[Almalexia]

Anyways, if there was any great threat, I think Legion Anonymous would mobilize.

 

[EasyCo506]

Oh no! They're going to... going to...

What are they going to do exactly? I need to know how they plan on invading my privacy to I can be properly offended.

 

[DameGreyWulf]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18540_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-google.html

 

[McBeverage]

Ah ****.

 

[Almalexia]

Anyways, being monitored by which government?

 

[Ebin]

Well the bill does establish some beach heads for further expansion onto more control and international laws. Eventually an International constitution and then... Alright I'll leave with my conspiracies.

 

[Almalexia]

Then another president/prime minister comes along preaching more privacy and more freedom to internet users, a bunch of people vote for him and walla, the law is repealed. Don't you just love democracy?

 

[Ebin]

Then another president/prime minister comes along preaching more privacy and more freedom to internet users, a bunch of people vote for him and walla, the law is repealed. Don't you just love democracy?

Preaching Privacy and Freedom? Don't you mean the law becomes more severe?

 

[Almalexia]

Regardless one candidate will preach more internet security for the nation's children, he will get elected, then the media inevitably turns against him and he is a one term president. Then of course his successor will preach the exact opposite and repeal it, and if he doesn't, he'll get screwed over too. Well, he'll get screwed over anyways, but it might give him enough of a boost to carry him over the next election. Thus, democracy is upheld.

 

[socks]

I don't see why you'd be so scared of the government watching you, unless you're a pirate maybe.

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Anyways, if there was any great threat, I think Legion Anonymous would mobilize.

No. 4channers are just retarded manchildren who get off to gore threads or think they're badass because they don a mask and protest a religion.

 

[DameGreyWulf]

They find other retards and ridicule them, though.

They also spawned IRL trolling, which is (arguably) a good thing. Why get upset when you can just trollface?

 

[Almalexia]

They've interfered in politics as well.

 

[Phonemelter]

.....like the internet was private before?

 

[DameGreyWulf]

If you pay extra.

 

[Archonsod]

This means that most of our privacy on the internet is Compromised. We cant do anything private on the internet, because it is 100% viewed by the government/s

Erm, no it doesn't. What is it with these paranoid ****wits all of a sudden? Yeesh

 

[Oyipggy]

Aren't many governments doing this anyways?

 

[Orion]

This means that most of our privacy on the internet is Compromised. We cant do anything private on the internet, because it is 100% viewed by the government/s

Erm, no it doesn't. What is it with these paranoid ****wits all of a sudden? Yeesh

Perhaps not individual privacy, such as you or me, but privacy of privately-owned organizations such as SourceForge would be put under serious scrutiny. Because of the wording of parts of ACTA, any free software that is used to utilize commercial software could and would encounter legal difficulties. Free software can't be used to run software with DRM legally under ACTA, and currently just having that free software is not a legal issue. With ACTA, because it can be used to illegally run software with DRM the developers could face prosecution and have distribution of their software denied.

Let's look at a couple key points here:

ACTA would create its own governing body outside existing international institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) or the United Nations.

Legal safeguards that protect ISPs from liability for the actions of their users can be removed with ACTA. That means ISPs have little to no choice but to comply 100% with privacy invasions requested by ACTA in return for safe harbor from legal action.

What do those mean? It means if this independent organization decides you're suspicious, and keep in mind suspicion is essentially guilt without evidence, they can request cooperation in an investigation with your ISP into your activities. What this means is anything you have done in a period of time will be scrutinized by an independently-governed agency that exists outside of current international institutions. So, while you might not have done anything illegal, you might have been patching a game via the game's P2P client, and because P2P has the potential to be exploited illegally you're now suspicious and can be investigated without warning.

So now you have a problem. You can be investigated on a whim, for no solid reason, and the possession of otherwise legal software could put you under further scrutiny. There is no legal due process involved here, because the independent organization formed by ACTA would be given the right to investigate you for what they deem necessary, and suspicion is enough.

The chances of individuals being caught for pirating a new release or some movies is slim, but again I'll bring up SourceForge. There are things on SourceForge that interact with software that contains DRM. Because software that plays media with DRM is in violation of ACTA, that software could be removed from SourceForge and SourceForge could be prosecuted for hosting it.

Surely you don't think that's OK?

 

[Almalexia]

Ahh, wall of text! Anyways, it's 3 in the morning, I'll read it tomorrow. 

 

[Archonsod]

Perhaps not individual privacy, such as you or me, but privacy of privately-owned organizations such as SourceForge would be put under serious scrutiny.

How precisely?

Free software can't be used to run software with DRM legally under ACTA

It can't at present, it would classify as attempting to circumvent the protection, which is already illegal in the US (Digital Millenium Act), the UK (Misuse of Computing Act) and indeed most signatories.

With ACTA, because it can be used to illegally run software with DRM the developers could face prosecution and have distribution of their software denied.

Again, already the case via the Digital Millenium act in the US (though not yet in the EU).

Legal safeguards that protect ISPs from liability for the actions of their users can be removed with ACTA.

No they're not. ISP's benefit from neutral carrier protection which ACTA doesn't alter. Nor does it do anything not already legal - ISP's are already legally obliged to log and store data under the anti-terror legislation passed in the last decade, and it's always been possible for a court to issue a warrant to obtain those records as evidence.

It means if this independent organization decides you're suspicious, and keep in mind suspicion is essentially guilt without evidence, they can request cooperation in an investigation with your ISP into your activities.

Erm, I see nothing in there regarding giving ACTA any kind of judicial powers whatsoever. Which isn't unusual for a body whose purpose is to unify existing copyright and patent laws

So, while you might not have done anything illegal, you might have been patching a game via the game's P2P client, and because P2P has the potential to be exploited illegally you're now suspicious and can be investigated without warning.

It already can be. Your ISP has no obligation to notify you if your records are requested by a court. In fact, because your communication record is not classified as personal data, but is instead the ISP's data, the RIAA can request, without any reason or evidence for suspicion, your records from your ISP, and your ISP can provide those, without ever having to notify you. They've been doing this for a decade already. Horse, stable, bolted.

There is no legal due process involved here, because the independent organization formed by ACTA would be given the right to investigate you for what they deem necessary, and suspicion is enough.

Don't see any clause in there giving that power to ACTA, no. In fact, ACTA is being set up as a regulatory body, not a judicial one.

Because software that plays media with DRM is in violation of ACTA, that software could be removed from SourceForge and SourceForge could be prosecuted for hosting it.

They already can be. Once again, refer to the Digital Millenium act which made it an offence to distribute tools which can be used to bypass protective measures on software. Which has been the case since what, 2006?