about two handed weapon proficiency when using polearms

[minmaster]

so when one is using polearms on foot, it becomes a two handed weapon, right?  so does your two handed weapon proficiency come into play here?

i ask because i don't really want to build up my polearm proficiency but for those times that i have to fight guards when entering enemy town, i have to fight with a polearm.  i am wondering if i just builid up my two handed skills if that will directly benefit my polearm skills and allow me to be decent with it without building up polearm proficiency. 

so is this right: when using polearm on foot, both polearm and two handed proficiency come into play, and both stats can be increased by being effective with it.  but are your polearm stats are taken into factor more than two handed stats in this situation or both equally?

 

[stygN]

If the weapon is listed as a "Polearm" it uses only the "Polearm" proficiency, no matter if you use it one handed (like a lance on a horse) or twohanded (like a staff without a shield).

The same goes with any weapon listed as "Two Handed", it only use "Two Handed" proficiency, no matter if you use it twohanded on foot, or with 1 hand on horse.

The only weapon that use 2 proficiencies is the Bastard Sword, it is "Two Handed/One Handed" meaning it can be used on foot one handed and two handed. So, if you use it on foot with a shield (ergo using 1 hand to swing the sword) you gain Proficiency in "One Handed" and only this proficiency count when you fight. If you use it twohanded on foot (without a shield) you gain proficiency in "Two Handed" and only this proficiency count when you fight.

However, I am not sure how it works on horseback with the Bastard Sword, cause you only use 1 hand no matter if you use a shield or not, but I guess it will count as "One Handed" on horseback with shield and without shield.

If you want to increase your proficiency with a weapon, but don't want to use it in real combat because you have very low proficiency, you could try fighting a bit in the Arena, you don't always start with the weapon you want, but you could either knock out someone that has that weapon and take it, or just lower your guard and get knocked out yourself and start over again.

I hope this was pretty clear : )

 

[minmaster]

really?  i could've sworn i leveled up two handed proficiency while using a fighting stick (polearm). 

 

[Lord Leoric of Wercheg]

Nope. They only use polearm proficiencies, AFAIK.

 

[minmaster]

great... *starts game over with a new character*

 

[fragonard]

You could also edit the scythe and/or glaive so that they can be swung while mounted. The 1257 mod does this. Then you could just stick with polearm skill.

 

[stygN]

That would be awesome!

Can you swing and use a shield as well? If so, its very nice!! : )

 

[fragonard]

I think so but it's been a while since I've played that mod so I'm not absolutely sure. Try it yourself, it's a good mod.

 

[Ludial]

when using a bastard sword without a shield, it uses the 2-handed proficiency, horse or no horse.

 

[Lord Leoric of Wercheg]

Using weapons on a horse has its won - calculations, If I'm not mistaken.

 

[Ludial]

Using weapons on a horse has its won - calculations, If I'm not mistaken.

true, but it doesn't change weapon type, just damage.

 

[kingofnoobia]

That would be awesome!

Can you swing and use a shield as well? If so, its very nice!! : )

These things are VERY easy to edit using the item editor. Simply check all one handed swings and I think it will work just fine.

Hehe I just tried it and here it is for you, simply copy this into your item_kinds1.txt (don't forget to backup). It starts at the scythe, so search in your txt file for itm_scythe Scythe Scythe 1... and then select downwards all the way to the pike, and copy this over it. All it does is give all polearms that are able to be swung sideways when carried two handed the ability to do so also one handed with a shield and also on horseback, but with a penalty.

Only the practice staff isn't in there, because it isn't listed with the polearms but with the practice weapons, so here it is:

itm_practice_staff Practice_Staff Practice_Staff 1  wooden_staff 0  138838020 4222129440558862 9 0 2.500000 100 0 0 0 0 16384 103 0 118 0 528 528
0

隐藏

itm_scythe Scythe Scythe 1  scythe 0  138772484 4222131051171598 43 8202 3.000000 100 0 0 0 0 19456 79 0 182 0 270 19
0

itm_pitch_fork Pitch_Fork Pitch_Fork 1  pitch_fork 0  138772484 4222124851986688 19 8202 3.500000 100 0 0 0 0 0 83 0 154 0 274 512
0

itm_military_fork Military_Fork Military_Fork 1  military_fork 0  138772484 4222124851986688 153 8202 4.500000 100 0 0 0 0 0 88 0 135 0 279 512
0

itm_battle_fork Battle_Fork Battle_Fork 1  battle_fork 0  138772484 4222124851986688 282 8202 4.500000 100 0 0 0 0 0 87 0 142 0 280 512
0

itm_boar_spear Boar_Spear Boar_Spear 1  spear 0  138772484 4222131026002176 76 8202 4.000000 100 0 0 0 0 0 81 0 157 0 279 0
0

itm_jousting_lance Jousting_Lance Jousting_Lance 1  joust_of_peace 0  138772484 201326848 158 8202 5.000000 100 0 0 0 0 0 61 0 218 0 529 0
0

itm_double_sided_lance Double_Sided_Lance Double_Sided_Lance 1  lance_dblhead 0  138772484 4222124851990272 261 8202 5.500000 100 0 0 0 0 0 80 0 130 0 283 0
0

itm_glaive Glaive Glaive 1  glaive 0  138772484 4222131051171598 352 8202 4.500000 100 0 0 0 0 38912 83 0 157 0 277 38
0

itm_poleaxe Poleaxe Poleaxe 1  pole_ax 0  138772484 4222124851990272 384 8202 6.500000 100 0 0 0 0 37888 77 0 180 0 277 37
0

itm_polehammer Polehammer Polehammer 1  pole_hammer 0  6586372 4222124851990272 169 8202 7.000000 100 0 0 0 14 29696 73 0 130 0 537 541
0

itm_staff Staff Staff 1  wooden_staff 0  138903556 4222129440558862 36 8202 1.500000 100 0 0 0 0 18432 100 0 130 0 531 530
0

itm_quarter_staff Quarter_Staff Quarter_Staff 1  quarter_staff 0  138903556 4222129440558862 60 8202 2.000000 100 0 0 0 0 20480 104 0 140 0 532 532
0

itm_iron_staff Iron_Staff Iron_Staff 1  iron_staff 0  138510340 4222129440558862 202 8202 2.000000 100 0 0 0 0 25600 97 0 140 0 538 537
0

itm_shortened_spear Shortened_Spear Shortened_Spear 1  spear_g_1-9m 0  138772484 4222131051171598 53 8202 2.000000 100 0 0 0 0 19456 102 0 120 0 281 531
0

itm_spear Spear Spear 1  spear_h_2-15m 0  138772484 4222131051171598 75 8202 2.250000 100 0 0 0 0 20480 98 0 135 0 282 532
0

itm_war_spear War_Spear War_Spear 1  spear_i_2-3m 0  138772484 4222131051171598 90 8202 2.500000 100 0 0 0 0 20480 96 0 150 0 283 532
0

itm_spear_e_2_5m Military_Scythe Military_Scythe 2  spear_e_2-5m 0  spear_c_2-5m 6291486  138772484 4222131051168524 145 8202 2.500000 100 0 0 0 10 36864 93 0 155 0 281 36
0

itm_light_lance Light_Lance Light_Lance 1  spear_b_2-75m 0  138772484 4222124851987200 89 8202 2.500000 100 0 0 0 0 16384 90 0 175 0 283 528
0

itm_lance Lance Lance 1  spear_d_2-8m 0  138772484 4222124851987200 110 8202 2.500000 100 0 0 0 0 16384 88 0 180 0 282 528
0

itm_heavy_lance Heavy_Lance Heavy_Lance 1  spear_f_2-9m 0  138772484 4222124851987200 130 8202 2.750000 100 0 0 0 10 16384 85 0 190 0 282 528
0

itm_pike Pike Pike 1  spear_a_3m 0  407207940 4222124851987200 125 8202 3.000000 100 0 0 0 0 16384 81 0 245 0 282 528
0

This works for me.

 

[stygN]

Well thank you : )

I'll copy it down and see if I'll use it.

Right now I'm happy with a sword of war ; )