B1G0T 说:
40 years ago people got offended because some black people drinking water from the same place they drink water. Im sure its better now.
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A big elephant (also, religion in the game)
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40 years ago people got offended because some black people drinking water from the same place they drink water. Im sure its better now.
B1G0T 说:
Damn these SJW snowflakes forcing me to hear about their complaints, they are ruining my life! I can't even imagine saying anything offensive anymore, I wake up screaming in terror at the thought of being admonished; why can't they toughen up and save me such anguish?!?
@ Your avatar and username B1got:
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Lmao every time dan. <snip>, every girl i knew in highschool typed like that. quit the hyperbole its lame and stifles any real discussionDanAngleland 说:Damn these SJW snowflakes forcing me to hear about their complaints, they are ruining my life! I can't even imagine saying anything offensive anymore, I wake up screaming in terror at the thought of being admonished; why can't they toughen up and save me such anguish?!?
@ Your avatar and username B1got:
I am very much in favor of adding religions as a dlc eventually. I will discuss it further at a later time.
But i will not be naive and nonchalant about this: it is a risky game. It doesnt matter what you 'can do' or should do in games. So long as the right individual finds offense at something they interpreted in a fictional world (games, movies or literature), it is more than enough to wreak havok on the developer. "Sjws" are a dangerous breed because they are what theorists called the 'intelligentia' or intelligenzia, the dumb intelectuals who have control over power structures, or at least, enough influence to tip scales. (And im generalizing. Not just leftwing, any wing actually). If one person like this gets offended, the hounds of "justice" are set free.
And im not above thinking rival companies would pay to do it. Pay some of these "journalists" to politicise minor game features, so their rival is seen on a bad light. Corporate espionage may sound like sci fi conspiracy, but its all too real. Now think BL is released successfully, but suddenly theres a whole controversy over their portraial of religion in their latest game... and TWs image is marred by that. Not for gamers, but for investors and all those corporate hyenas.
Games like paradox's are too niche for these people, but bannerlord.might just be what they weere looking for - you can rape your spouse to produce heirs because your character may die at any moment / the spaggetti entity was portraied in a bad light by a fictional religion from the nord invasion dlc...
But i will not be naive and nonchalant about this: it is a risky game. It doesnt matter what you 'can do' or should do in games. So long as the right individual finds offense at something they interpreted in a fictional world (games, movies or literature), it is more than enough to wreak havok on the developer. "Sjws" are a dangerous breed because they are what theorists called the 'intelligentia' or intelligenzia, the dumb intelectuals who have control over power structures, or at least, enough influence to tip scales. (And im generalizing. Not just leftwing, any wing actually). If one person like this gets offended, the hounds of "justice" are set free.
And im not above thinking rival companies would pay to do it. Pay some of these "journalists" to politicise minor game features, so their rival is seen on a bad light. Corporate espionage may sound like sci fi conspiracy, but its all too real. Now think BL is released successfully, but suddenly theres a whole controversy over their portraial of religion in their latest game... and TWs image is marred by that. Not for gamers, but for investors and all those corporate hyenas.
Games like paradox's are too niche for these people, but bannerlord.might just be what they weere looking for - you can rape your spouse to produce heirs because your character may die at any moment / the spaggetti entity was portraied in a bad light by a fictional religion from the nord invasion dlc...
I love it. I also believe Religion should have been a core feature of the game. Hopefully we'll get some really interesting mods to fill the void.
I also don't see why they can't just make up some Religions. It really doesn't seem that hard.
I also don't see why they can't just make up some Religions. It really doesn't seem that hard.
B1G0T 说:
The internet exposes you to people who can type whatever they want with no consequences. You can find any viewpoint online, no matter how insane. 'the world' hasn't become more offended by everything, but the internet makes it feel like it has.
I went to a stereotypical 'sjw' university where you would sometimes get chain emails from a few (basically mentally unwell) students who were calling this or that visitor bigoted, but in real life it was just a normal learning environment, and the 'sjws' everyone is terrified of were just normal quiet students. Similarly, I would be extremely surprised if there was any real backlash at all against them putting religion in the game, just like there was no backlash against the ten thousand other games with real religions in them. You can still buy postal 2 for example, and the only real backlash was 'this is childish and unfunny'.
If you really want to go to a country where offended people can cause real harm, go to Russia or China or any other country with ultranationalists in it. The west is fine, you probably just spend too much time on the internet.
BIGGER Kentucky James XXL 说:
I think you are absolutely correct on the vocal minority part. The internet is amplifying the voices of minorites. And as we all know the weirdest persons scream the loudest.
Problem is that these people in fact do have quite some leverage politically.
You can see that in laws getting passed over censoring the internet because of "hate speech". In the european union espacially article 13. In canada it is illegal to not call other people by their preferred pronowns. In Brandenburg (a state in germany) they passed a law that forces parties in the parliament to have at least 50% representation of women. All these are just some examples how politics sway away from modern liberal values of individuals towards a seemingly protective and "nice" culture of group rights.
Once again you are absolutely correct about these people just being a vocal minority, but that doesn't mean tides aren't turning.
To go back to my original point. Taleworlds is located in turkey. With the stuff going on in their government currently I wouldn't be surprised if they were taking a big bow around religion.
On the other hand religion has never been a subject in mount and blade, so maybe they just aren't interested.
The Canada pronouns law only applies in very specific circumstances, and hate speech laws are designed to prevent terrorist rhetoric from being shared freely online.
The law about having 50% female representation is perfectly understandable given their proportional system. They make up half of the population and there are things men will never fully understand about living as a woman and vice versa. Rwanda already has a law like this and is one of the most prosperous countries on the continent.
Also, the reason for these laws wasn't a bunch of blue haired radical feminists with BPD but an actual legal process just like any law. It kind of looks like you've selected a bunch of liberal laws from across the world that you don't like and claimed they were influenced by the kinds of people you get on YouTube cringe compilations.
The law about having 50% female representation is perfectly understandable given their proportional system. They make up half of the population and there are things men will never fully understand about living as a woman and vice versa. Rwanda already has a law like this and is one of the most prosperous countries on the continent.
Also, the reason for these laws wasn't a bunch of blue haired radical feminists with BPD but an actual legal process just like any law. It kind of looks like you've selected a bunch of liberal laws from across the world that you don't like and claimed they were influenced by the kinds of people you get on YouTube cringe compilations.
If you call these laws "liberal" you obviously have a skewed understanding of what liberal actually means. I don't care wether my government is run by 100% women if these happen to be the ones people voted for and are the best at that given job. I don't judge a person by its gender, its percieved gender, its religion, its sexual orientation or its ethnic background. The only thing mattering to me are its values, virtues and how it acts towards other people in general. I see how a woman has it easier on seeing problems felt exclusively by women. But women can feel free to vote women into parliament or candidate themselves you don't need a quota for that. Also I think that a man can empathise with womens problems and vice versa. And if he/she can't maybe that person isn't well suited for a politicans job anyway. (I'm sure there are plenty of people like that in government though)
About hate speach laws: I don't have anything against laws that prehibit inciting violence. I even don't think it is necessary to throw insults at each other just because it is the internet and we can't see each others faces. But being able to criticise things to make your views on things heard is a fundamental part of free speech and a democratic society. Even if you ar being "politically incorect". What is a Democracy worth if you are only allowed to discuss very specific things? Imagine if you weren't allowed by law to discuss about minimum wage, health care, or even the wars your country is going on?
I don't think they invented "hate speech" to supress terrorism but more so to control public discourse on the internet. I don't like how much power the internet has over us but we are not able to revert that. We have to live with it. And I think that a mostly free Internet were extremists can roam and organize may be dangerous but one where every action and every word said is controlled and if aplicable censored is much more dangerous. (see China)
I don't want to sound like a hypocrite as I am fully aware that I started this discussion, but maybe it would be better to continue this conversation either on another thread or per PM if you want.
About hate speach laws: I don't have anything against laws that prehibit inciting violence. I even don't think it is necessary to throw insults at each other just because it is the internet and we can't see each others faces. But being able to criticise things to make your views on things heard is a fundamental part of free speech and a democratic society. Even if you ar being "politically incorect". What is a Democracy worth if you are only allowed to discuss very specific things? Imagine if you weren't allowed by law to discuss about minimum wage, health care, or even the wars your country is going on?
I don't think they invented "hate speech" to supress terrorism but more so to control public discourse on the internet. I don't like how much power the internet has over us but we are not able to revert that. We have to live with it. And I think that a mostly free Internet were extremists can roam and organize may be dangerous but one where every action and every word said is controlled and if aplicable censored is much more dangerous. (see China)
I don't want to sound like a hypocrite as I am fully aware that I started this discussion, but maybe it would be better to continue this conversation either on another thread or per PM if you want.
Let me clarify what I meant with "A secular game by core":
Warband simply did not overvalue religion. It didn't matter if your burned that village out of being a cruel *******, in the name of the Maker (Warband's lore god for those who never read the dialogues), or because of economic dictate forcing you to.
I couldn't care less for flavour design or how offensive religions are scripted, but when people ask for religion in a game such as this, the only background thought is that Religion A should give this and that perk, and ideally more religions giving other perks and so on, and Bannerlord doesn't need that.
Forcing the players into a fixed interpretation of religion opposed to let everyone do their own thing in a sandbox is certainly not encouraging creativity.
Warband simply did not overvalue religion. It didn't matter if your burned that village out of being a cruel *******, in the name of the Maker (Warband's lore god for those who never read the dialogues), or because of economic dictate forcing you to.
I couldn't care less for flavour design or how offensive religions are scripted, but when people ask for religion in a game such as this, the only background thought is that Religion A should give this and that perk, and ideally more religions giving other perks and so on, and Bannerlord doesn't need that.
Forcing the players into a fixed interpretation of religion opposed to let everyone do their own thing in a sandbox is certainly not encouraging creativity.
Knüppel 说:
I don't think that is what people are asking for. (the perks I mean) I think religion is a huge part of culture and has been since recently an influencial part of politics. Leaving it completely out of a medieval themed game that concentrates on building cultural differences between factions and complex political mechanics seems strange. Religion could add a lot of flavour to the game both mechanically (through politics) and just through immersion.
