A 90-employee studio with ONE actively-maintained product is releasing only ONE THREE-LINE bug fix patch per week. Unbelievable.

[musashii89]

And then there's a lot of shades of grey in the middle, where most of us actually stand. I am not sure I understand what you are expecting people to do here.

Who says your in the middle mate? Seems to me the balance is swinging against


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He is angry and wants everyone just as angry and feels that we are just fanboys for having any degree of optimism.

Sure, I expected more than what we got. Oh well, its still fun as hell for me. I see the glimmer of greatness down the road, hopefully a year from now... but I got more to worry about than games in my life. If I stop having fun I'll move on. I certainly won't spam the forums with the same tired complaints.

No I want either some reasoned debate, or to be allowed to complain about a product I find unsatisfactory to the company, but you and the leaders of the trollboi fangaurd always swoop in and incite flaming, which is how the moderators end up being forced to act like communist censors.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Who says your in the middle mate? Seems to me the balance is swinging against

What makes you think so?

Sounds like your lonely, and with good reason by the sounds.

Completely unrelated, and I am only going to point this out because I see you do it consistently, and I am guessing that you are not a native speaker: it's "you're" when you mean to say "you are".

No I want either some reasoned debate, or to be allowed to complain about a product I find unsatisfactory to the company, but you and the leaders of the trollboi fangaurd always swoop in and incite flaming, which is how the moderators end up being forced to act like communist censors.

I guess not all of us work for our money..... so paying for false advertisement is no great crime


Cause sometimes you cant solve problems with kind words, and in this case, we have a stubborn learner.

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

Is this your idea of reasoned debate?

 

[Roaring Mouse]

same thing

I've never seen it like that before. Its so clear now... thank-you, I will seek help now. Perhaps your purpose here has been completed and you are free to leave.

 

[musashii89]

What makes you think so?

Increasing proportion of negative reviews on steam, negative posts on this forum and an appparent drastic decrease in players.

Completely unrelated, and I am only going to point this out because I see you do it consistently, and I am guessing that you are not a native speaker: it's "you're" when you mean to say "you are".

This is why I am being less then agreeable.
1 - shorthand
2 - the intent of language is to communicate intent, 'your' and 'you're' are easily read and understood by native english speakers
3- the only time grammar is used in an arguement is when passive aggressively admitting defeat

Is this your idea of reasoned debate?

I have been trying to have one but yourself and others are not making it easy.

I've never seen it like that before. Its so clear now... thank-you, I will seek help now. Perhaps your purpose here has been completed and you are free to leave.

Has this interaction led you to feel like you resent your life/wife and kids less?

 

[eddiemccandless]

Increasing proportion of negative reviews on steam, negative posts on this forum and an appparent drastic decrease in players.

This is why I am being less then agreeable.
1 - shorthand
2 - the intent of language is to communicate intent, 'your' and 'you're' are easily read and understood by native english speakers
3- the only time grammar is used in an arguement is when passive aggressively admitting defeat


I have been trying to have one but yourself and others are not making it easy.

OK, I admit that I was poking fun at you a little, I apologize if that came off as dismissive. But surely you understand when I say that when you write something like "it is better to be violent" over a video game, it becomes very difficult for me to take you seriously . I don't think we even disagree on the substance of the issue, I am also not happy with the state the game is. But at this point I believe that we have beaten that dead horse enough, so I guess there really isn't much to be added. We shall agree to disagree.

 

[Bob Gnarly]

Early Access IS NOT an excuse to release something half finished and barely functional. Further it is expected during EA that the developers have increased communication with players in order to have fast turn around of code through rigorous community testing and keep the community advised and excited about upcoming fixes/changes/additions. To some of you this may be acceptable (to whom i ask why are you even here?) but to a growing number of people this game is not up to even an EA standard, and TW's actions since release have been unacceptable.

This is really a discussion of differing definitions. Some of you think this is fine and dandy for EA. Some of us think this is a cult releasing its newest scam with a lot of brainwashed followers. We have strongly held opposing opinions, which is fine, but using 'this is fine for EA' is not a compelling counter-argument.

My reply was to another poster who claimed that EA isn't defined properly when it's stated pretty clearly on the Steam page.

I really don't get the fuss. It seems like a bunch of impatient people bought a game clearly still in development and are now angry that the game isn't being developed quick enough for their liking. Well, tough luck. You should've waited until it was finished and released.

Could communication be better? Sure. But to call this a scam? You're just being hyperbolic.

 

[musashii89]

OK, I admit that I was poking fun at you a little, I apologize if that came off as dismissive. But surely you understand when I say that when you write something like "it is better to be violent" over a video game, it becomes very difficult for me to take you seriously . I don't think we even disagree on the substance of the issue, I am also not happy with the state the game is. But at this point I believe that we have beaten that dead horse enough, so I guess there really isn't much to be added. We shall agree to disagree.

*sigh* look up that quote so you realise your freaking out about a quote from Ghandi. When you disregard another persons POV based solely on opinion and try to shut down discussion what response do you expect?
TW and the gaming industry in general keep getting free passes on **** like this. If gamers do not hold them to some level of accountability for their products we will keep getting delivered **** like this. And the only weapon we have is negative PR. If words are too violent then I wish you luck in effecting change in your life.

My reply was to another poster who claimed that EA isn't defined properly when it's stated pretty clearly on the Steam page.

I really don't get the fuss. It seems like a bunch of impatient people bought a game clearly still in development and are now angry that the game isn't being developed quick enough for their liking. Well, tough luck. You should've waited until it was finished and released.

Could communication be better? Sure. But to call this a scam? You're just being hyperbolic.

Or other people hold stronger opinions then you? To you this is acceptable. To others it is not, if you like it, feel free to share that. But do not try and stifle discussion because you operate on the assumption your opinion is the alpha and omega. You're just being obtuse.

They have delivered a game which a growing portion of the community find inconsistent with what is acceptable under EA. Further, other expected behaviors during an EA, such as communication on development strategies/timelines, have not, and continue to not be performed at a professional standard.
This is not some small label indie studio any more, and they should be held to account. They cannot change what is done, but they made bulk money from this EA and I don't find it unreasonable to be calling them out for not making any obvious attempts to reinvest in fixing the product they have already sold.

 

[Roaring Mouse]

Has this interaction led you to feel like you resent your life/wife and kids less?

Neither, you just seem so angry I was hoping human interaction would help. Good luck on your crusade, entertainment is not the best place to spend your negative energy. You wont win this one, the game may eventually be fun for you or it wont. I hope you make the best choice for yourself.

 

[musashii89]

I like giving the trolls something to do. Its like talking to telemarketers.

Neither, you just seem so angry I was hoping human interaction would help. Good luck on your crusade, entertainment is not the best place to spend your negative energy. You wont win this one, the game may eventually be fun for you or it wont. I hope you make the best choice for yourself.

Lol admits to trolling then claims to be Mother Theresa.
Speaking of choices, you might want to go address the two contracts your avoiding so the rest of us can continue discussing the state of this game.

 

[Roaring Mouse]

Lol admits to trolling then claims to be Mother Theresa.
Speaking of choices, you might want to go address the two contracts your avoiding so the rest of us can continue discussing the state of this game.

I guess I take things a little less seriously than yourself.

Are you here to fix the game, or to just try and show your discontent?

 

[musashii89]

I guess I take things a little less seriously than yourself.

Are you here to fix the game, or to just try and show your discontent?

Enough trying to derail the discussion, go be a man to your wife and child.

 

[Roaring Mouse]

Enough trying to derail the discussion, go be a man to your wife and child.

You took that seriously? Remove that stick from your butt.

 

[musashii89]

You took that seriously? Remove that stick from your butt.

No I am just asking you to stop trolling and leave more and more obviously but its not getting across....
You obviously have no desire to seriously discuss this topic as you indicated earlier, you seem to have lost interest in trolling after being called out and now I can only surmise you are in fact procrastinating as you joked about earlier.

This is part of the problem, no one can criticize this game without attracting fanboi trolls who moderators are lenient on and who then inflame discussions until they are closed.

 

[Roaring Mouse]

No I am just asking you to stop trolling and leave more and more obviously but its not getting across....
You obviously have no desire to seriously discuss this topic as you indicated earlier, you seem to have lost interest in trolling after being called out and now I can only surmise you are in fact procrastinating as you joked about earlier.

Do you want to fix the game? Do you even play it still? You seem to not have suggestions, just unaddressable complaints.

More communication would be better, but it has never happened much since the original M&B was released. I'm not expecting any changes.

 

[musashii89]

Do you want to fix the game? Do you even play it still? You seem to not have suggestions, just unaddressable complaints.

More communication would be better, but it has never happened much since the original M&B was released. I'm not expecting any changes.

Yes but at this stage it seems to be less about the game and more about the way the studio is approaching the situation. I dont care about previous releases and the history of the company. The point is the game is a buggy, unstable mess and patches often make matters worse. Without communication, what we have is a full price game investment into something where a new consumer has to trust a company they dont know to deliver a product on what....good faith?

Suggestions on the game itself are moot because the studio is doing god knows what. I am assuming your being obtuse because there are lots of suggestions for the game on this forum already, this post exists because alot of (new?) customers think we have tried, and waited for an acceptable response long enough.
If you think more patience is the key you go on waiting, but to me this is just unprofessional. Yes its a game, it was also a business transaction.

 

[GeluHUN]

Yes but at this stage it seems to be less about the game and more about the way the studio is approaching the situation. I dont care about previous releases and the history of the company. The point is the game is a buggy, unstable mess and patches often make matters worse. Without communication, what we have is a full price game investment into something where a new consumer has to trust a company they dont know to deliver a product on what....good faith?

Suggestions on the game itself are moot because the studio is doing god knows what. I am assuming your being obtuse because there are lots of suggestions for the game on this forum already, this post exists because alot of (new?) customers think we have tried, and waited for an acceptable response long enough.
If you think more patience is the key you go on waiting, but to me this is just unprofessional. Yes its a game, it was also a business transaction.

We have full priced game in EA as is clearly shown and communicated everywhere (store, website, news etc.). To buy it or wait - that is every customer's own decision. Do not mix up you personal expectations with written promises. Whether the game should be full priced (what does that even mean?) or not is another topic - in which I personally think that a game in EA should be always a token price of 1 EUR but this is my personal opinion .

There are posts about what the developers doing and what they plan to do, "without communication" is not true. Personally I think there should be more of these and in more detail.

What you see is only how the studio communicates about the "situation" and not how they are handling it. Reading your comment it seems that you have no even read the (few) communications they have already made on the topic.


But, putting all this aside, because you last sentence is left open: what do you have in mind to do beside patients? What would be "professional" in your opinion?

 

[freeustand]

Why even bother responding to an obvious troll thread?

This is not a troll thread. This is a thread created to express the grave concern over the inefficient and unproductive human resource management system of Taleworlds by their lifelong fanboy who sincerely wishes Bannerlord to grow into as great a success as its predecessor.

 

[musashii89]

Whether the game should be full priced (what does that even mean?) or not is another topic - in which I personally think that a game in EA should be always a token price of 1 EUR but this is my personal opinion .

Correct we have EA, and EA is currently almost undefined. We have a new kind of product on the market, so here society, or corporations get to set what EA means. Nuance of definition, this kind of EA may be acceptable from a tiny no name indie company run out of mum's basemen, or maybe not.
While your token price idea would solve this particular problem it removes the point of EA for the company, early funds to grow rapidly. I am ok with the investment.

There are posts about what the developers doing and what they plan to do, "without communication" is not true. Personally I think there should be more of these and in more detail.
Jesus talk about splitting hairs, yes there is communication. Farting in someones general direction could be considered communication. The point is they released an abortion and they dont even seem embarrassed enough to do PR to save face.

What you see is only how the studio communicates about the "situation" and not how they are handling it. Reading your comment it seems that you have no even read the (few) communications they have already made on the topic.
No what I see is the end product of how the studio is handling the situation. This is the criteria i am judging them on. Its a mess, whats the plan?


But, putting all this aside, because you last sentence is left open: what do you have in mind to do beside patients? What would be "professional" in your opinion?
How would you act if you made a large error at work? Are you being facetious? I am after basic customer service. Not even all patches are communicated.

 

[GeluHUN]

...a thread created to express the grave concern over the inefficient and unproductive human resource management system of Taleworlds...

Was expressing your feelings the only goal of the post? I, for myself, would like to see dev blogs and a strategic road map of the game, but you may want a totally different thing.

 

[musashii89]

Was expressing your feelings the only goal of the post? I, for myself, would like to see dev blogs and a strategic road map of the game, but you may want a totally different thing.

Ah you were serious, sorry the trolls have been thick and fast.
Same thing, eat crow, then outline a roadmap for the game and the company and deliver. Feel that's the bigger one, as they obviously have some HR issues as there seems to be little organisation or coherent release strategy.