300/Battle of Thermopylae MINIMOD

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Aye, I guess you kind of beat me too it. I was learning to mod for M&B and I myself was makin a 300 mod follwoing the steps

Althought I don't have enough time for such a thing but  I suggest you keep it just like the movie. It would probablly be more funner, and since there isnt a offical 300 game it would probably draw more people. Its very common for people to buy a game just for a mod. Keep it like the movie.

Also just for historical facts (i'm sure they've been listed but) there were indeed more than 300 greeks. But there was the famous 300 spartans, the spartans also had 700 thebians, a inslaved city-state or tribe, what ever helping them. But there was about 5000 other greek allies helping them, but once the spartans knew that the persians found the goat path the sent the other 5000 greeks home (Besides the 700 thebians) to tell their tale.

Its on wiki, just dont feel like hot linkin and everything. But if you really want historical facts about it just search the REAL  historical name of it "The Battle Of Thermopylae"

 

[maggot7588]

i figured someone would get this into there head aobut mkaing a 300 movie mod. and its great =). and as far as the armor goes, i saw a couple documentaries on it and they all said they wore a breastplate of some sort or they were more likely to, they rly didnt say they did or didnt lol. but having the breastplate on some of them would be cool, maybe the front 2 lines that make of the phalanx. also in the documentary it was only because the 100 troops they had placed atop the path above them left is why they failed, otherwise its quite possible that the 1000+300 spartans couldve held back the persians so having the persions just keep respawning if u have a perfect phalanx would make this like a non ending game =). ive prolly talked to much on the subject alrdy but im all for seeing a 300 based mod =)

 

[Aqtai]

Aye, I guess you kind of beat me too it. I was learning to mod for M&B and I myself was makin a 300 mod follwoing the steps

Althought I don't have enough time for such a thing but  I suggest you keep it just like the movie. It would probablly be more funner, and since there isnt a offical 300 game it would probably draw more people. Its very common for people to buy a game just for a mod. Keep it like the movie.

Also just for historical facts (i'm sure they've been listed but) there were indeed more than 300 greeks. But there was the famous 300 spartans, the spartans also had 700 thebians, a inslaved city-state or tribe, what ever helping them. But there was about 5000 other greek allies helping them, but once the spartans knew that the persians found the goat path the sent the other 5000 greeks home (Besides the 700 thebians) to tell their tale.

Its on wiki, just dont feel like hot linkin and everything. But if you really want historical facts about it just search the REAL  historical name of it "The Battle Of Thermopylae"

It's the 700 Thespians you are thinking of. They fought alongside the Spartans at Thermopylae.


The movie, entertaining as it is, is pure and absolute fantasy. If the mod is based on the movies (and Frank Miller's comic) then I think the historical side should be played down as much as possible and the fantasy elements emphasised and expanded.


Has anyone read Frank Miller's comic BTW? I haven't and i'm debating whether to buy it or not:
http://www.amazon.com/300-Frank-Miller/dp/1569714029/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5547649-3882210?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174121007&sr=8-1

 

[Merlkir]

Has anyone read Frank Miller's comic BTW? I haven't and i'm debating whether to buy it or not:
http://www.amazon.com/300-Frank-Miller/dp/1569714029/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5547649-3882210?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174121007&sr=8-1

I have it. I sometimes pity spending 46 dollars on a comics, but then I read it again, once more and agree that it was money well spent
It really depends. If you are into comics and you don't have it in jpegs on your computer (and you don't mind the price), then it's a must have especially if you like other Miller's comics. Even if this one is a bit different and special. I hate to throw statements like this, but it really is a piece of art

 

[Aqtai]

Has anyone read Frank Miller's comic BTW? I haven't and i'm debating whether to buy it or not:
http://www.amazon.com/300-Frank-Miller/dp/1569714029/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5547649-3882210?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174121007&sr=8-1

I have it. I sometimes pity spending 46 dollars on a comics, but then I read it again, once more and agree that it was money well spent
It really depends. If you are into comics and you don't have it in jpegs on your computer (and you don't mind the price), then it's a must have especially if you like other Miller's comics. Even if this one is a bit different and special. I hate to throw statements like this, but it really is a piece of art

Thanks for the feedback. I'll see if i can find a cheap 2nd-hand copy somewhere.

 

[Merlkir]

I've just found out it came out in paperback first. Well, I wouldn't probably buy that Love my hardback

some samples. I often hear people who are claiming to be "comics experts" saying that Miller can't draw. I admit he has flaws, but these babies just prove those guys wrong

 

[pete147]

That is a great idea!!!!!!

 

[Merlkir]

That is a great idea!!!!!!

it sure is. I just wish some skilled modellers would join. There aren't many models needed, but still...

and I mean no disrespect, but it'd be nice to see some results if this mod is actually being worked on. I've tried some retextures of native models for the persians and could maybe post some screens in the evening..

 

[pmdezso]

i might be able to make a large wicker shield for the persians... anybody need one?

 

[nihilocrat]

I just spent last night throwing together the beginnings of the mod. It's really just Native modified with a few new units and such. It's not intended to be well-balanced in any way: you and your Spartan comrades are ridiculously uber.

When you are creating a character, you will recieve an error that you have to alt-tab to see. I'm not sure what causes it, but it's safe to ignore.

You start off near the two armies. Walk over to the Spartans and buy some troops (I'm just starting to mod! I'll figure out how to give the troops automatically, I promise), and then just walk over to the Persians and wreak some havoc. Right now you are only fighting "Persian slaves" (river pirates) so there is about a 0% chance that you can die. Also, the javelin is hugely overpowered, and I'm tweaking various things to try to make it accurate and deadly without being ridiculous.

Please try it out and give me feedback. Try to remember that this is just barely a beginning, don't expect playability / movie accuracy / comic accuracy / historical accuracy. If you are experienced in modding, please give me tips on how I could better implement things!

I haven't got upload access on the file repository yet, so I'm hosting it on rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/21534489/Thermopylae.zip.html

 

[Voutare]

I'll try it out. I'll respond after I play it.

EDIT: Ok, it was way to easy, for one. Not a problem as they are only levy/shocktroops. But for the next version, I'd suggest using some nice looking armours, like the Sharp Bronze ones.

 

[nihilocrat]

i might be able to make a large wicker shield for the persians... anybody need one?

Yes! That would be great! I won't really be able to contribute any models to the mod, as I have hardly any experience in modelling (and pretty much no experience making textures).

EDIT: Ok, it was way to easy, for one. Not a problem as they are only levy/shocktroops. But for the next version, I'd suggest using some nice looking armours, like the Sharp Bronze ones.

Yeah, I've been tweaking things since. The first wave of slave/auxiliary troops should really just be sword fodder. The later waves should actually provide some challenge.

I'm downloading the Sharp Bronze models now. Sounds like a great idea!

 

[Merlkir]

the sharp bronze models are good, some of them suit the theme perfectly.  Many caps and helmets can be used for the persians as well as the pelta shields. (and I think there's even a shield that can be used as the wicker persian shield after a slight retexture. )
I've already retextured the spartan shield:

and the thracian helmet to look a bit like the helm of Leonidas (I know corinthian helmet should be more accurate, but in the comics and the film the helms are closer to this one)

edit: the models that should be used:

- boartusk helms. After a slight retexture they'd be perfect for Persians..
- aspis_aa could be retextured to look like the wicker shields Persians have in the movie..
- phrygian cap could be retextured to cloth to look like the caps Persian light infantry and archers wore..
- the bellthoraxes after a slight retexture to fit the persian look..(the same probably with some other armors. Pity the spartan cloaked mesh has a thorax..)
- after second look the corinthian helmets looke quite good, I think we could use those to for the spartans (the retexture is easy)
- pilos helm for the persians probably..
- pelta shields for the persians..
- it has even various arrows with strangely shaped heads. hooray.
- the horse models are beautiful and there are some riders in the movies, so we can use those too
- the various spears and swords are just perfect.


so the only really custom made models people should focus on are the equipment of the Immortals and we'd need to remove the plum of the corinthian helmet for the non-leonidas Spartans. Also if we'd want the rhinos (but I think we can ask HighElfWarrior for his and change it slightly..) then those..Elephants are probably not possible as mounts, but could be done as moving and destroyable scene props..

Also scene builders are needed for creating the actual battlefield.
If someone else wants to give a try to the retextures of the native models for the persians, I have plenty of referrence and source photos of armors that could be used..

Now I apologize for barging in like this, but I really want this mod to be made.

 

[Merlkir]

It might not be a bad idea to ask Highlander for some tips and tricks about making an endless battle mod. (I know it was his WH mod that inspired this whole thing..). Also the picking up of items from the dead bodies script should be included. With lots of archers in the persian ranks a spartan could use a new shield once in a while. Or throwing spears or javelins. Pity we can't make weapons to break..

 

[Highlander]

I could do the scripting, if you want me to.

 

[Merlkir]

that would be great! you wrote most of the good scripts this mod needs (the WH mod idea, formations script, picking up items..)

 

[Highlander]

Do we need any specific map or can I just build a map, which allows the best gameplay?
I haven't seen the movie (Here in germany it isn't in cinema, yet), so it would be best if someone tells me which units should be implement (and which equipment they use). A detailed concept would be also nice.

I already have quite a few good ideas to make it an exiting mod. Please send me all finished models/textures to [email protected]. It's way easier than putting everything together at the end.

btw: The helm and shield textures are looking amazing.

 

[Merlkir]

The scene should be a rocky plain with a narrow pass with a high slope on one side and sea on the other. The narrow pass would be spartan spawn point, the other end the persian's. But if you have any ideas about gameplay, share them, I'm sure it could be improved.
About the units:

- the greeks would consist of 300 spartans (I can post pictures, but mostly heavy infantry with bested stats, helmet, shield, spear, sword, maybe one throwing spear.) and 700 Thespians (the same type of equipment, but lower stats).
- the Persians would use a mix of mostly infantry troops. Archers, javeliners, light infantry with shield+spear and short swords, barbaric looking axemen. Some horsemen too, but not a major count. And of course the immortals. In the movies fighting with two swords, but in the comics they had a shield and spear. I would make it a combination. (don't know if the sword made as a shield would work well.). Some dual wielding, some shield and spear. Some can even have bows.
I can put a more detailed concept together if we're agreed that we're going to do this I'd be only happy.
I kinda like the idea of throwing waves of different types of enemies against the greeks. Increasing the numbers if it's possible. Also the formation script will come in handy. the persians wouldn't probably use it, only the Immortals. For Greeks it is a must have. I guess the player can either be Leonidas, or one of the captains (and Leonidas could be a unkillable hero..)

I'll send you the textures, the models can be downloaded from Talon's link.

 

[Merlkir]

I also have this idea. Spears need to be adjusted similarly to 1066 or Holy War. Higher speed and greater damage. Also we can change the animation. The sword stabbing animation should be good. But I was wondering. Would it be possible to have like four types of attack for the spear? two stabbing (an overhand stab for downwards slash, the typical spear stab for stabbing and maybe the two side slicing attacks of the one handed sword? don't know how'd that look, but in the movie Leonidas performs some very nice chinese spear style techniques that involve beating the persians with the shaft of the spear..) I think it would make the spear a more interesting weapon.

edit: also, for inspiration of those who haven't seen the movie yet:

use youtube to find clips from the movie. like this one
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzCdxhgFEU

and probably don't watch this if you don't want to spoil the movie by crappy quality. But for those who have seen it. Leonidas kicks major ass

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aMQpvjeratg

and here some nice sword butchery. (again, a whole scene. Don't watch if you haven't seen the movie. Spoils it )

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9AygL_PiTIA&mode=related&search=

 

[Thingy Master]

The scene should be a rocky plain with a narrow pass with a high slope on one side and sea on the other. The narrow pass would be spartan spawn point, the other end the persian's. But if you have any ideas about gameplay, share them, I'm sure it could be improved.
About the units:

- the greeks would consist of 300 spartans (I can post pictures, but mostly heavy infantry with bested stats, helmet, shield, spear, sword, maybe one throwing spear.) and 700 Thespians (the same type of equipment, but lower stats).
- the Persians would use a mix of mostly infantry troops. Archers, javeliners, light infantry with shield+spear and short swords, barbaric looking axemen. Some horsemen too, but not a major count. And of course the immortals. In the movies fighting with two swords, but in the comics they had a shield and spear. I would make it a combination. (don't know if the sword made as a shield would work well.). Some dual wielding, some shield and spear. Some can even have bows.
I can put a more detailed concept together if we're agreed that we're going to do this I'd be only happy.
I kinda like the idea of throwing waves of different types of enemies against the greeks. Increasing the numbers if it's possible. Also the formation script will come in handy. the persians wouldn't probably use it, only the Immortals. For Greeks it is a must have. I guess the player can either be Leonidas, or one of the captains (and Leonidas could be a unkillable hero..)

I'll send you the textures, the models can be downloaded from Talon's link.

I agree with almost everything, exept a few things.

Leonidas shouldnt be unkillable, Once they were outflanked he died fairly fast and the battle was more over his corpse at the time.

There should be a great deal of archers otherwise you cant use the line "Then we will fight in the shade". Mabe just the first wave should be of archers.

and a side note, I thought there were 900 thespians with them. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Since the Greeks are going to have a set number of troops, I believe the persians should have to, Though you could NEVER kill 300.000 troops, It would be nice to see how many you have left