(268) Hegemony 268 B.C. Unit Definitions and Declarations

[ealabor]

While the mod is being constructed, this breakdown should give you the opportunity to familiarize yourself with some of the unit declarations featured in 268 B.C.

WIP

Greek unit terms

Toxotai - Archers or bowmen.

Hippos / Hippeis - Horse / Horsemen

Hippotoxotai - Horse Archer

Hippakontistai - Horse Skirmishers, specifically javelin.

Akontistai - Skirmishers, usually javelins. These are normally levy or lighter style troops from other skirmisher types

Sphendonetai - Slingers

Hoplitai - Hoplites

Peltastai - Skirmishers, specifically javelin style weapons. These differ from other skirmisher types in that they usually had some formal training or experience with javelins, and often equipped with linen armor. The name is derrived from an older style shield such units formerly used.

Kataphraktoi Cataphracts. Almost always both horse and rider are heavily armored under this term.

Hetairoi / Xystophoroi - Companion cavalry. After the death of Alexander, these were reformed as "Xystophoroi". In 268 B.C. the two terms are fused.

Phalangitai - Pikemen armed with a Sarissa whom form a Phalanx.

Thureophoroi - Javelin skirmishers similar to Peltastai in skill and armor, though these were equipped with spears and expected to fair well in combat as a supporting role on an armies flanks.

Thorakitai - Heavy javelin skirmishers similar to Thureophoroi. Equipped with chain or scale armors as opposed to the Thureophoroi linen armors.



Roman unit terms

Leves - Levy skirmishers

Accensi - Levy slingers

Pedites / Peditatus - Footmen or infantry

Alarius / Alarium - Allies or allied. Used to reference the many troops from other Italian cities or city-states which served Rome.

Samnitici - Samnite

Peritus - Experienced or elite.




Celtic unit terms

Ambaxtoi - literally those who follow their leader around. Basic troops with basic weapons.

Catuuiroi - "men of battle" - champion warriors

Cingetoi - the "marching ones" - trained foot soldiers.

Marcacones - cavalry

Uossoi - "vassals" bottom tier troops in M&B terms


(feel free to add terms to the WIP while I sleep / mod)

 

[Almalexia]

Wow. Yah know, I was really expecting to see a couple of kids in Gallic warpaint or techno viking when I strolled in this topic, but was surprised when you actually told us. Nice 

 

[ealabor]

I dont know what you're talking about 

 

[Leto]

ugh... finally, when I started. I joined the Greeks, I totally messed up everything cuz I didn't know which were which.

 

[sirmic]

I suppose you partialy use Europa Barbarorum as help so i wont suggest terms from it. If not let me know and i will bring them to you. (EB will have its own place on my harddisk forever, or until my hd crashes... )

 

[Almalexia]

I suppose you partialy use Europa Barbarorum as help so i wont suggest terms from it. If not let me know and i will bring them to you. (EB will have its own place on my harddisk forever, or until my hd crashes... )

Ermmm... Ealabor helped make Europa Barborum.

 

[ealabor]

Ermmm... Ealabor helped make Europa Barborum.

Er, I was a forumite who posted ideas that they used, much like many other people. I wasn't a member or anything.

 

[Elmetiacos]

I suppose you partialy use Europa Barbarorum as help so i wont suggest terms from it. If not let me know and i will bring them to you. (EB will have its own place on my harddisk forever, or until my hd crashes... )

Beware of EB terms for the Celts. They made most of them up. Here are what are most likely to have been the real ones:

Ambaxtoi - literally those who follow their leader around. Basic troops with basic weapons.

Catuuiroi - "men of battle" - champion warriors

Cingetoi - the "marching ones" - trained foot soldiers.

Marcacones - cavalry

Uossoi - "vassals" bottom tier troops in M&B terms

Other terms can be reconstructed if needed (see the Building the Celtic Troop Trees) thread) but they are on shakier ground.

 

[tFighterPilot]

Completely ignore the terms they used for the Carthaginians. They're simply Hebrew names.

 

[Almalexia]

Completely ignore the terms they used for the Carthaginians. They're simply Hebrew names.

Well, you can kinda see where their coming from, as the Carthaginians were simply Phonecian migrants from what we now know as the Holy Land, so it would make sense that they would be derived from Hebrew.

 

[Revton]

I'm curious. Why use those terms for the Roman units? The Romans were using the 3 line maniple system in 268 BC, were they not? Shouldn't it be triarii, hastati etc...? I believe they had switched to this system post-Samnite wars. If my roman history is wrong, please feel free to correct me.

 

[ealabor]

If my roman history is wrong, please feel free to correct me.

Well my good friend, Rome used units besides those contained in the Maniple as you may not have considered 

The terms are Latin.

 

[tFighterPilot]

Completely ignore the terms they used for the Carthaginians. They're simply Hebrew names.

Well, you can kinda see where their coming from, as the Carthaginians were simply Phonecian migrants from what we now know as the Holy Land, so it would make sense that they would be derived from Hebrew.

Actually they came from Lebanon. However it is true that the closest living language of Pheonocian is Hebrew (even more than Aramaic), but the names they used are in modern Hebrew, which just makes it look silly. At least for Israelis. Well, that and the feeling that we got them, like we got these girls who think they're counting to 10 in Hebrew but actually say "I suck and swallow"

 

[ealabor]

Completely ignore the terms they used for the Carthaginians. They're simply Hebrew names.

For the units I had intended to use the greek terms.

I didnt wan't to further confuse other folks by bringing in too many language bodies 

 

[Somairle]

What of Iberians? They had many languages and even of what Celtic that was used little in known. Callaeci maybe spoke a language from the Q-Celtic group but that's still obscenely broad, it doesn't seem so today because there are only three Q-Celtic languages with any speakers; Irish, Scottish, and Manx, but in terms of a period where such a language family would be way more broad that doesn't help much, especially given how much those three changed from the 'Primitive Irish', the earliest Q-Celtic language that there exists any reconstruction effort for (and that's mostly just trying to work off of names and patronyms). And that's just one of the language families that may have been present. You've still got the language isolate that became Basque and so on. I guess Celtiberians spoke a language akin to the Gauls? I don't know though about that at all, but if so, maybe see if Elmetiacos has good ideas there, assuming he possesses time to do some for that.

 

[PLANETX]

What of Iberians? They had many languages and even of what Celtic that was used little in known. Callaeci maybe spoke a language from the Q-Celtic group but that's still obscenely broad, it doesn't seem so today because there are only three Q-Celtic languages with any speakers; Irish, Scottish, and Manx, but in terms of a period where such a language family would be way more broad that doesn't help much, especially given how much those three changed from the 'Primitive Irish', the earliest Q-Celtic language that there exists any reconstruction effort for (and that's mostly just trying to work off of names and patronyms). And that's just one of the language families that may have been present. You've still got the language isolate that became Basque and so on. I guess Celtiberians spoke a language akin to the Gauls? I don't know though about that at all, but if so, maybe see if Elmetiacos has good ideas there, assuming he possesses time to do some for that.

It's a game, I am pretty sure the developers aren't going to research day and night to have everything 100% accurate. and plus I think they are just going with a basic for languages so people don't get a head ache.

 

[Almalexia]

What of Iberians? They had many languages and even of what Celtic that was used little in known. Callaeci maybe spoke a language from the Q-Celtic group but that's still obscenely broad, it doesn't seem so today because there are only three Q-Celtic languages with any speakers; Irish, Scottish, and Manx, but in terms of a period where such a language family would be way more broad that doesn't help much, especially given how much those three changed from the 'Primitive Irish', the earliest Q-Celtic language that there exists any reconstruction effort for (and that's mostly just trying to work off of names and patronyms). And that's just one of the language families that may have been present. You've still got the language isolate that became Basque and so on. I guess Celtiberians spoke a language akin to the Gauls? I don't know though about that at all, but if so, maybe see if Elmetiacos has good ideas there, assuming he possesses time to do some for that.

It's a game, I am pretty sure the developers aren't going to research day and night to have everything 100% accurate. and plus I think they are just going with a basic for languages so people don't get a head ache.

I'm going to have to agree with him. That is pretty much way over the top, for something, well, pretty much the entire audience of the mod won't catch.

 

[ealabor]

Somairle was more Inquiring about the Iberians than suggesting anything, really. I'd much rather prefer to read what he has to say, even if it's a 2 hour discussion on the complexity of a Celtic knot, as compared to some of the other "dialogue" that gets spat out around here 

 

[Elmetiacos]

Celtiberian isn't either Q- or P-Celtic, but what might be called "K-Celtic" there's a pdf somewhere out there on the web by Carlos Jordan Colera which goes into more detail, but it's quite technical. For the Iberians, I suggested Celtiberian Uiros Uiramos for a top tier warrior and Iberian Abiner ("servant") for recruits. Other than that the names would just be English ones...

 

[Weaver]

someone here already mentioned that modern ossetians are the descendants of scytho-sarmatian culture. i thought to take some relevant words from ossetian dictionary for our project, but instead i was hit by an unexpected jackpot. a scytho-sarmatian vocabulary by reknown ossetian linguist Vaso Abaev. technically, it's not a real dictionary - Abaev just gathered all the deciphered epitaphs from scythian and sarmatian burial grounds in hellenicised areas, which were naturally inscribed in greek letters, because scyths had no alphabet of their own. so basicly we don't know anything about scytho-sarmatian grammar, but we have some ethnonyms, personal names and basic lexemes.
i've copied some relevant lexemes, maybe you'll make use of them.

Ardar - master, king
Arsti - spear
Aspa - horse
Bala - warparty
Cagar - slave
Druna - bow, weapon
Karta - sword
Pathaka - chief