2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus Is In Full Swing

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Given that the southern states are republican strongholds I don't know how that article came to the conclusion that race was a factor. If the colour of his skin was of more than passing importance to American voters, then you'd get democrat voters turning against him, and arguably Obama would not have won the first 2008 election.

If anything Obama got even more support for not being a white-as-cheese old man, even among potential ethnic minority republicans in certain areas.

 

[Oakenshield]

Given that the southern states are republican strongholds I don't know how that article came to the conclusion that race was a factor. If the colour of his skin was of more than passing importance to American voters, then you'd get democrat voters turning against him, and arguably Obama would not have won the first 2008 election.

If anything Obama got even more support for not being a white-as-cheese old man, even among potential ethnic minority republicans in certain areas.

The US is a federal, bottom up system, so obviously you get Democrats who might not necessarily support Obama, hence the phenomenon of split ticket voting etc.
And don't forget the Democrats were the party of segregation historically, and the Democratic patches in the south are generally held by DINOS (Democrats in name only), with socially conservative views who oppose Obama on many issues.

 

[cwr]

Well its impossible to predict how a Clinton presidency would have panned out but immediately after they would of been happier i guess, she is more moderate after all.

And yeah I agree that it doesn't only apply to the Grand Old Party, I'm just saying the level of hostility against the Obama administration from some of the Republicans can't purely just be down to ideology. I'm sure your aware their Congressional leadership simply refuse to work with him at all on most issues.

There definitely are some racists out there. The thing in question is their role in presidential politics; especially considering what Jacob said about the south already being a republican stronghold.

Edit:

I think we basically agree haha

It's quite possible we do

Everyone has to pay the same absolute value for food and shelter, but minimum wage-rs get bitten on the ass disproportionately more than above average earners because their money almost entirely spent on food and shelter, while above average earners spend a much smaller percentage of their money on it.

In practice it's even worse than this, because poorer people tend live in cities where house prices are higher, they tend to have to rent most of their lives (paying more in the long run), and don't have savings to eat into.

As I understand it, a flat tax would be a percentage, not a set number that everyone pays. It seems to me that poorer people always have less spending money than rich people-it is the nature of being poor.

 

[Frankish Sinatra]

All a flat tax would do is reduce the amount of taxes that higher income people pay. How would that not increase inequality?

 

[cwr]

If it eliminated loopholes, then it might increase the amount the wealthy paid in taxes. (If Warren Buffett was correct when he said he paid a lower effective rate than his secretary)

 

[Dodes]

The problem is that it makes an assumption that 1 unit of currency is universal in value.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

It also works under the assumption that the rich are all overworked overstressed CEOs who would so very much like to pay their taxes if it was a little easier and less bureaucratic to do so.

Tax evasion happens when people know they can get away with it, not because they can't get their heads around tax forms.

 

[Frankish Sinatra]

If it eliminated loopholes, then it might increase the amount the wealthy paid in taxes. (If Warren Buffett was correct when he said he paid a lower effective rate than his secretary)

I feel like just closing loopholes would be a better solution to that problem. Not that I expect that to happen given the lobbying schmoozefest our legislature is. However, a flat tax didn't work under Reagan, and I don't see it as a viable long- term solution right now either.

 

[Mage246]

There's no reason why a graduated tax without loopholes can't do the same thing. People that can hide income to avoid going up an income tax bracket are equally capable of hiding income to avoid paying flat tax on it.

 

[Dom13]

10,000+ people attended the Bernie Sanders rally last night in Madison Wisconsin.

( Crowd) http://i.imgur.com/yOI17jp.jpg

https://berniesanders.com/news/live-madison-wisconsin/

 

[Mage246]

Bernie Saunders, popular in a state known for populism and progressives? Truly a shocking development.

 

[kurczak]

There's no reason why a graduated tax without loopholes can't do the same thing. People that can hide income to avoid going up an income tax bracket are equally capable of hiding income to avoid paying flat tax on it.

They are. But hiding money costs money. It can also get you jail time. At a certain point hiding money becomes too expensive relative to tax and/or risky and it's just more sensible to let the government tax it.

Not so much an argument for a flat tax as it is for reasonable rates, flat or graduated.

 

[Anthropoid]

10,000+ people attended the Bernie Sanders rally last night in Madison Wisconsin.

( Crowd) http://i.imgur.com/yOI17jp.jpg

https://berniesanders.com/news/live-madison-wisconsin/

Is that a lot? Was it spontaneous or scripted? Were they all autonomous or directed?

 

[Almalexia]

10,000+ people attended the Bernie Sanders rally last night in Madison Wisconsin.

( Crowd) http://i.imgur.com/yOI17jp.jpg

https://berniesanders.com/news/live-madison-wisconsin/

Is that a lot? Was it spontaneous or scripted? Were they all autonomous or directed?

Are these characters auto... auto...erotica?

 

[Austupaio]

Scott Walker is running? Really? So the Republicans supporting Walker and Cruz actually want Hillary to be president or something, right? No one actually thinks those two have a chance of winning?

 

[Tibertus]

As a republican, I'm almost in complete despair over the lack of good candidates from my party. The people I would want run of course want nothing to do with the presidential race.

 

[Austupaio]

Basically.

I'm ready for the Republican party to split, let's get the realistic Republicans completely away from the ones who base their platforms on the bible, please.

 

[Anthropoid]

Basically.

I'm ready for the Republican party to split, let's get the realistic Republicans completely away from the ones who base their platforms on the bible, please.

Beer.

 

[Austupaio]

I guess if the Republicans really can't get their act together, I'd rather have Webb than Hillary.

Beer.

You need beer? I need beer? The Republicans need beer? All of the above?

 

[Tibertus]

Holy ****, I was actually reading about him a few days ago saying to myself I'd vote for him before any of the Republicans running. I thought he actually wasn't running. I don't know how a democratic bid will work out though considering several of his conservative stances, such as on 2nd Amendment freedoms.