His speeches were always like that. And Fox was jizzing all over it as usual; couldn't get enough of it. Just like old times. It is no more impossible for Trump this time around than it was the last time.
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2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus Is In Full Swing
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Uhm I must have seen different Fox news footage because in the one I watched Hannity cut him off in the middle of it. Anyway there's no point in arguing about it, neither one of us has a cristal ball. Time will tell, que sera sera. In my mind Trump's biggest chance is the Democratic party super power to self sabotage (that's how he won in 2016 honestly).
Since you say that, I'm guessing what you have seen of the speech is via non-conservative sources, which make a big deal out of how boring the speech was. But did you check out what Hannity actually said about it? Here's the "cut off" - which was not actually a cut off, but a cut in:
At no point does Hannity say or do anything which signals to the target audience: "Trump's announcement speech is boring". He wants you to think the exact opposite. Some select quotes:
"This looks like Trump in as good a form as you've ever seen him."
"If he can stay on message, like he did tonight, he's got a formidable case to make to a Republican electorate."
"The construct of the speech is pitch perfect. If he keeps on like this tonight, he is unbeatable in 2024."
Hannity probably did worry that the speech would be on the boring side for the viewers, which is why he cut in to tell them what they are supposed to think of the speech (that's the purpose of having those guests on), before cutting back to the speech - which he did.
The 2016 sabotage was all on Trump. Trump was successful in convincing people on both sides that Hillary was bent and evil, and Bernie-supporters who felt betrayed that they lost the primaries to her did not support Hillary like Bernie wanted them to do. For the most part, they either abstained, voted independent, and some even voted Trump.
Well agree to disagree I guess. Of course Hannity has to keep face, but I think you put it well here:
I don't see a disagreement between us on the substance. Honestly, the man is old. He was already old in 2016 and that was six years ago. And before you say it, yes, that applies to Biden too. It was already a ridiculous pair to see in 2020.
you say "for the most part", but the overwhelming majority of bernie supporters ended up voting for clinton. sth like 12% to trump and 12% to neither, per wiki
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Here's more stuff about Trump not getting the support he needs to win the primary, and that includes Fox (though Hannity is Trump's personal lackey and may not follow Murdoch policy completely).
Here's more stuff about Trump not getting the support he needs to win the primary, and that includes Fox (though Hannity is Trump's personal lackey and may not follow Murdoch policy completely).
Murdoch tells Trump he will not back fresh White House bid – report
Rupert was always smart enough to bet with the bookies https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/
That doesn't really mean anything. Murdoch refused to back Trump the first time around, too, until they reached an amicable agreement in May of 2016. Up until that time, Murdoch had been openly critical of Trump. Whether or not he'll back him again depends on whether Trump will become as popular again, I suppose. It's early days yet, and will be too early to call until 2024.
It doesn't matter if he didn't like him, Murdoch was on the Trump train and supported him during the presidency. Fox staffers were given access and jobs in the administration. This ended only when Trump lost to Biden, and now it's made even clearer.
Murdoch backs the winner, and that includes ****ting on the contender Trump. There's nothing Trump could do that DeSantis could not do better.
So what? I'm talking 2016, before he was president. Exact same situation as now. Murdoch was not on the Trump train until the big push of 2016. In other words, so far it's just history repeating itself. If Murdoch still doesn't support Trump after May of 2024, then it will be different.
You are right, but I don't see Trump magically winning or even keeping a serious level of support just with OANN and Truth Social. DeSanta is owning the libs just fine and Fox is on his side. There are no mainstream opponents to portray as establishment. Enough things have changed to thwart Trump's hope of repeating an upset.
I also feel this deeply in my heart. QED.
No one saw Trump winning when he announced his candidacy in 2015 either. It wasn't until 2016 that people on both sides of the isle actually started to entertain the notion that Trump just might win this thing. And many - especially among Trump's opponents - were flabbergasted when the election went to Trump. Don't say it couldn't happen in 2024, because that's just what they said about 2016.
Your whole argument is "something unexpected happened in the past, so it may happen again". It's not substantial or backed up by any kind of evidence, it only works as a superstitious phobia.
A better way would be to analyze why it happened the first time and then argue that the key conditions are valid this time too, but not valid the last time when Biden beat him.
At least state that you feel this deeply in your heart.
Meanwhile, DeSanity is owning the libs, THIS IS HOW YOU WIN:
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My argument is that being certain of a thing is no guarantee. There are no arguments against Trump's success now which are any better than the ones for the 2016 election. People were cock-sure he couldn't possibly win then, and they had excellent reasons for thinking so. The reasons today are only cosmetically different, if that. Murdoch refusing to support? Same as before. Stronger Republican rivals? Ditto 2016. And if he announces that he's pulling out of the race, then that's nothing new either. Trump has a knack for throwing a spanner in the gears, fudging up all expectations.
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That is true. Everyone was expecting a red wave in the midterms, including Democrats, and here he went shocking everyone with a tiny trickle!
Trump has just been president, and his antics post-term has rallied the centre-left - everyone is on high alert because they know what is at stake. And let's not forget the Supreme Court shooting themselves in the foot by overthrowing Roe vs. Wade. I was part horrified, part elated when that news broke - this was a god-send with regards to the midterms. Traditionally, women vote more than men do, so it's a really bad idea to piss women off in an election year.That is true. Everyone was expecting a red wave in the midterms, including Democrats, and here he went shocking everyone with a tiny trickle!
Right, that was definitely a self defeating move. I don't see any of the fundamentally changing from here to 2024. I also don't really know anyone who ever went from hating Trump to being like eh you know what, he's not so bad, and on the other hand I personally know a decent number of people who went from voting him in 2016 to regretting that deeply and voting against him in 2020.
Time doesn't work in Trump's favor, it works against him.
Time doesn't work in Trump's favor, it works against him.
Musk reinstates Trump on Twitter following an online poll with a tiny majority. He just does random things as if he craves attention.
Remember how he reassured the public and the advertisers that all bans would first be reviewed by a diverse moderation council. So much for that.
The best part is that Trump is ignoring this for now, as he needs to keep his Trump Social platform relevant.
Edit: anecdotal evidence Maga tweeters are promoted by Twitter now.
Remember how he reassured the public and the advertisers that all bans would first be reviewed by a diverse moderation council. So much for that.
The best part is that Trump is ignoring this for now, as he needs to keep his Trump Social platform relevant.
Edit: anecdotal evidence Maga tweeters are promoted by Twitter now.
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