2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus Is In Full Swing

[Mad Vader]

The will of the majority is fine as long as you don't ask the majority a stupid question, because you'll get a stupid answer.
This is also why direct democracy is a danger to any society. Elect your representatives and let them make the choices for you, but keep your stupid opinions to your internet corner and outside of the polling booth.

 

[Nega-Brutus]

Me, I would live in a dictablanda rather than a democraura any day. Voting is overrated, being left alone is king.

Liberal dictator AI mommy step on my balls harder please ?

 

[Calradianın bilgesi]

Unrelated question:
In what respects US politics is more left-wing than European politics. I can possibly think of immigration.

 

[Nega-Brutus]

They're way more aware of race-related issues. They're forced to be more aware because their more socially immobile systems produce bigger racial discrepancies. You can find that awareness sprinkled in everything they do. Race-effects based analyses in things like laws; in media representation; office culture, etc. Ideally, you'd have both more social mobility and a good, healthy awareness of race-related issues.

 

[Mad Vader]

That's true, but for the mainstream discourse. There's a lot of virulent racist anger and disdain on the Trumpian fringes, and they were pushed into the mainstream by the Trump fiasco. This is tapped by politicians who use coded dog whistles and such, now more than ever.
Britain is definitely to the left of the US race politics and it has significant racial diversity like the US (I don't know what's the standard in France). Most of the rest of Europe are very white non-imperial countries where race is rarely discussed and they cannot be compared to the US for lack of diversity.

Marijuana legalization is at a pretty much advanced level in the US compared to anyone else, including Europe. That's leftie stuff.

 

[Nega-Brutus]

Maybe France can be the focal point if you'd wanna argue more left-leaning racial politics. I've read posts by Americans visiting France being in shock at the blatant racism despite having a large black population. Dunno if sources back that up.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Unrelated question:
In what respects US politics is more left-wing than European politics. I can possibly think of immigration.

Lots of Europeans, even social demokkkrats, are anti-Semitic almost without thinking, and will go on rants about gypsies and muslims while still being smug about how much better they are than Americans. I think rhetorically a European politician (even a British one) can get away with far, far more than any American.

 

[Nega-Brutus]

Danish succ dems outright embracing tinges of islamophobia, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Mad Vader]

Maybe France can be the focal point if you'd wanna argue more left-leaning racial politics. I've read posts by Americans visiting France being in shock at the blatant racism despite having a large black population. Dunno if sources back that up.

You could also say that Italy, Spain and other Med countries are pretty racist (if you follow football, you just know this) and Eastern Europe is a great bastion of racism and xenophobia. And there are large far-right movements everywhere.
So your average European may be an ignorant racist **** compared to the average American who is just a "I'm not racist but" racist.

 

[Nega-Brutus]

Imagine if a stadium full of people yelled the n-word at the players in the US. Surreal.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

 

[Nega-Brutus]

dog whistle

 

[Seff]

Danish succ dems outright embracing tinges of islamophobia, if I'm not mistaken.

We have a party that's economically for welfare and taxation etc, but against immigration. Dansk Folkeparti.

Then we have most of the right and center (still way left of US) that are skeptical of non-western immigration. Way left we have a few everybody's-welcome parties.

Only one of these parties is against the welfare state, namely the Liberal Alliance.

Immigration is generally not presented as a financial issue, but a safety issue.

 

[Adorno]

True.
I think debates on immigration are very different depending on its 'nature'.
In Denmark immigrants from the Middle East, Africa and eastern Europe are more criminal than others, with their decendants even more so.
About 1/3 of inmates in prisons are immigrants. Especially violent crimes/murders with guns involve immigrants. So there's a lot of focus on that.
In France that has a long history of immigration due to colonies they might have a different discourse.

France Mila affair: Five held for death threats over video critical of Islam

Mila, 17, says she has been getting 30 hate messages a minute after posting videos critical of Islam.

www.bbc.com

... she described Islam as a "religion of hate".
She was getting about 30 hate messages a minute at one point ...

 

[Nega-Brutus]

Being surgically targeted (i.e., checking an individuals compatibility with lib society in the immigration process) seems fine. But I can't help but feel that there's a lot of populist sentiments involved as far as immigration is concerned. With the Netherlands as well as Denmark.

 

[Adorno]

Surprising no one:

Trump acquitted, denounced in historic impeachment trial

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump was acquitted Saturday of inciting the horrific attack on the U.S. Capitol, concluding a historic impeachment trial that spared him the first-ever conviction of a current or former U.S. president but exposed the fragility of America’s democratic traditions and left a d

apnews.com

Voting to find Trump guilty were GOP Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Patrick Toomey of Pennsylvania.

 

[Lord Brutus]

He will face criminal charges once Biden's candidate for Attorney General gets confirmed.

 

[Mad Vader]

Yeah, I told you guys impeachment wasn't a great idea. In the end Dems sacrificed principles for expediency, avoiding endless witness gridlock not to hamper Biden's agenda before it even got going. And for that sweet, sweet recess.
In the end, did this change anyone's mind? If you were a Fox-watching conservative, you didn't get the live, minute-by-minute coverage of the liberal media and the ongoing outrage, you got news articles like "Senator Himmler says Hitler did nothing wrong".

 

[Arvenski]

He will face criminal charges once Biden's candidate for Attorney General gets confirmed.

I don't like that he's been acquitted, but at this point, it's time to move on.

 

[Lord Brutus]

There will be no moving on. Trump faces lawsuits from The Washington DC attorney general, NY State Attorney general and several more I'm sure.