2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus Is In Full Swing
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genuinely not sure who you think i'm scotsmanning
In my opinion it all boils down to the fact that there really isn't a left party in the US to begin with. Some people who revolve around the Democratic party could be classified as leftists, but for the most part Democrats are center right when seen from the point of view of someone who is not American.
Eddie, one day you may qualify as brilliant.
Cuban immigrants in Miami had their votes jerked around when Trump told them, "Biden's a Communist and will have them deported back to Cuba if he's elected."
We have no Communists in the US. Google may help you find the American Communist Party but it's a sham, a shell. We have no Marxists, last one, Molotov died thirty years ago in Russia.
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Or, crazy idea, the left is not a monolith and people can support economically left stuff like increase in minimum wage, stronger unions, expansion of medicare or universal healthcare etc without subscribing to intersectionalism, woke stuff or what have you on the culture front. That doesn't make them center right or corporate sell-outs. If anything the emphasis on economic issues is more or a traditionally left wing (Marxist) approach than the current wokeness, "anti-racism" etc.
The Californian liberals and progressives.
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i don't see how. the "current culture war reputation" has cali being much more progressive than it, in reality, is - aka said reputation is mostly unearned. that's not a dig against the progressives in any way, who are doing their best, and is hardly a no true scotsman towards the liberals either, because i expect no better from them (or other liberals) to begin with. liberals aren't left.
The thing is that all those things are a no brainer in most other countries no matter how you are aligned politically.
Italy has universal healthcare and a minimal wage that is much higher than the one the US has, especially when you consider differences in cost of living. And no one in the right or left, or anywhere in the political spectrum really, would even dream of considering those as "left" things.
Yeah well, from de Maistre's perspective, Mitch McConnel is hard left and from Bakunin's Sanders is hard right, doesn't really matter. We're talking about contemporary America, so we should be using these terms as they make sense withing the context of contemporary America, not of some other place or time or anyone's ideal or fantasy scenario.
As above - within the context of contemporary America, California is objectively one of the most progressive states. The reputation is earned and deserved. That it's not as progressive as you would like it, is a different thing.
there's a big difference between it having a (somewhat deserved) reputation for (relative to the rest of america) progressiveness and it's "current culture war reptuation" that you originally brought up, which i replied to.
the "current culture war repuation" has it being far more progressive than it is in reality, aka it is unearned.
the "current culture war repuation" has it being far more progressive than it is in reality, aka it is unearned.
Personally, I think it's best to quit using European terms to describe the US. No mention of communists, Marxists, socialists, they don't exist here, except when someone wants to dis a political opponent by calling him communist.
I agree, America should not be held to the same standard as the rest of the developed world.
My whole point though was that the US is placed to the right of the rest of the world. Obviously left and right are all relative terms, but that's just semantics.
To make a practical example, this is what happens when a "conservative" commentator from the US interacts with an exponent of the right from another country:
To make a practical example, this is what happens when a "conservative" commentator from the US interacts with an exponent of the right from another country:
It might be glorious if I knew or cared what "Brightbart " was.
Ben Shapiro and Andrew Niel probably have similar views, the main difference and the reason this crapshow happened is because american pundits are coddled manchildren who expect any interview to be nothing more than a chance to talk about themselves and sell books. Meanwhile in the UK there are a few specific shows for that, anywhere else the reporters will chomp at the bit to make you look like an idiot.
American and British TV and newspapers have opposite roles, in the US newspapers are fairly reserved but the TV is an endless stream of incomprehensible propaganda, while in the UK it's the opposite:
Ben Shapiro and Andrew Niel probably have similar views, the main difference and the reason this crapshow happened is because american pundits are coddled manchildren who expect any interview to be nothing more than a chance to talk about themselves and sell books. Meanwhile in the UK there are a few specific shows for that, anywhere else the reporters will chomp at the bit to make you look like an idiot.
American and British TV and newspapers have opposite roles, in the US newspapers are fairly reserved but the TV is an endless stream of incomprehensible propaganda, while in the UK it's the opposite:
That is true, but I don't think that even Neil would quite go as far as supporting jail time over abortion. As far as I know that is an exquisitely American phenomenon. Same with the private healthcare and gun laws.
Shapiro is a pretty standard neocon, he probably doesn't care about abortion or any of that stuff and I don't think he even believes in God, even though he publicly bangs on about Judaism whenever he can.
The fact that every "conservative" pundit in America has the exact same views on this very specific subset of esoteric social issues like abortion and gun rights should ring alarm bells that none of them actually care about that stuff, especially when the entire point of the neoconservative movement from the outset was to create national myths to rally people behind. Andrew niel spouts the same kind of stuff, but the national myths in the UK are far weaker and the neoconservative movement has far less influence and cohesion.
The fact that every "conservative" pundit in America has the exact same views on this very specific subset of esoteric social issues like abortion and gun rights should ring alarm bells that none of them actually care about that stuff, especially when the entire point of the neoconservative movement from the outset was to create national myths to rally people behind. Andrew niel spouts the same kind of stuff, but the national myths in the UK are far weaker and the neoconservative movement has far less influence and cohesion.
*miraculously disappear*
Donald Trump lost the election. Too bad for those that supposedly justify their beliefs mainly by their opponents being suckers and losers
