Resolved 1.6.0 - Lords recruiting/disbanding endless loop.

[Dabos37]

Summary: Lords recruit and disband units constantly.
How to Reproduce: Just follow some lords.
Have you used cheats and if so which: I have cheats enabled but I have not used them.
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I think it is happening due to lords trying to manage their economy, but disbanding/recruiting is actually a bad thing for them because they are constantly spending money.

 

[AJIexander]

Summary: Lords recruit and disband units constantly.
How to Reproduce: Just follow some lords.
Have you used cheats and if so which: I have cheats enabled but I have not used them.
Scene Name (if related):
Media (Screenshots & Video):

I think it is happening due to lords trying to manage their economy, but disbanding/recruiting is actually a bad thing for them because they are constantly spending money.

Hello! Have you tried disabling modifications? Please note that TW can’t support any modding-related issues.

 

[Dabos37]

Hi, I am just using the detailed character creation mod, and this has not anything to do with this issue. I am just mentioning that I am using a mod in case I have to share a save game, because devs will notice it. The issue is present in vanilla too.

 

[AJIexander]

Hi, I am just using the detailed character creation mod, and this has not anything to do with this issue. I am just mentioning that I am using a mod in case I have to share a save game, because devs will notice it. The issue is present in vanilla too.

We will wait for the developers to return from vacation

 

[Zorion_no]

Hello! Have you tried disabling modifications? Please note that TW can’t support any modding-related issues.

I also experience this, and I dont use mods.

 

[MArdA TaleWorlds]

Do you have a save file of session that you experienced this issue? With your save file, we can reproduce the issue much easier and faster. For more information regarding how to send us your save files, you can check this thread out. You can find your save file here:
C:\Users\username\Documents\Mount and Blade II Bannerlord\Game Saves

You can send your save files to us via upload.taleworlds.com site. Please write your username and this threads URL into the description box so that we can find it easier. Thanks for reporting and sorry for any inconvenience!

 

[SGT_Night]

Same issue here

Edit: In my campaing all clans from the western empire kingdom are poor or very poor, so i believe that they pass a certain limit of wage and disband some troops to get below the limit, but they just recruit again until they go above the limit and repeat all over again

 

[Dabos37]

I will provide a save game tomorrow when come back to my home. Thanks!

 

[SGT_Night]

@mexxico this bug may be interesting to take a look at

 

[mexxico]

I will provide a save game tomorrow when come back to my home. Thanks!

If you can provide a save game I can check. Can you send it to [email protected]? I wondered what is happening there.

We have just 1 day @Dabos37

 

[SGT_Night]

I also experience this, and I dont use mods.

if u can send them a save file would be great.

i can't as i'm using some mods, i created a new sandbox and will try to see if it happens again

 

[Zorion_no]

I dont have a "specific" situation where this is the case, or that I know for sure that there is an "endless" recruit going on by the army.
That I have.

I have saves where this happend though.

Read I take lots and lots of saves during my play(The current where my character is now 57 yrs old! have over 370 saves)
So in all honesty recalling when such behaviour was witnessed if its needed a specific example then I'll need days to go through it lol.

However if they want just any save where such behaviour can happend then sure I can provide one.
Marda?

 

[Dabos37]

If you can provide a save game I can check. Can you send it to [email protected]? I wondered what is happening there.

We have just 1 day @Dabos37

Ohhh, I won’t be able to send the file before tomorrow at 20:00 CET ???

On the other hand, this bug is easy to reproduce and I have seen it in all my new campaigns in 1.6.0. To reproduce it:

- Start a new campaign and forward time at day 200-300.
- Find some poor clan in the encyclopedy, and then teleport close to clan leader. This behavior is more common for high tier clan leaders, for example: Derther, Ravangad, and Calatild are usually poor in most of my campaigns.

Clan leaders with this behavior usually have 30K money or so.

 

[Dabos37]

Do you have a save file of session that you experienced this issue? With your save file, we can reproduce the issue much easier and faster. For more information regarding how to send us your save files, you can check this thread out. You can find your save file here:
C:\Users\username\Documents\Mount and Blade II Bannerlord\Game Saves

You can send your save files to us via upload.taleworlds.com site. Please write your username and this threads URL into the description box so that we can find it easier. Thanks for reporting and sorry for any inconvenience!

Hey Marda,

I have just uploaded the save game.

File Name: Ironman_86d01508-392b-4fe1-8e3c-3d01a072ef5f.sav
Description: Lords recruiting-disbanding endless loop.

If you can provide a save game I can check. Can you send it to [email protected]? I wondered what is happening there.

We have just 1 day @Dabos37

Maybe I am too late, but I have just send you the mail with the save game too.

Yo reproduce the issue, just follow The king Ravangad during some time.

Thanks to all!!!

 

[Zorion_no]

If you can provide a save game I can check. Can you send it to [email protected]? I wondered what is happening there.

We have just 1 day @Dabos37

I'm sending you 1 now where I have found this issue.

Mailsent.

I'm not 100% sure if its collecting troops or gathering food or both?
But as I've told in the mail the army was made 21 winter and its now 7 spring, and its not moved from that area in that time, just going between the nearby villages and Balgard.
Collecting more and more troops.

 

[mexxico]

Hey Marda,

I have just uploaded the save game.

File Name: Ironman_86d01508-392b-4fe1-8e3c-3d01a072ef5f.sav
Description: Lords recruiting-disbanding endless loop.



Maybe I am too late, but I have just send you the mail with the save game too.

Yo reproduce the issue, just follow The king Ravangad during some time.

Thanks to all!!!

Ok. While packaging I see a new mail and examined situation.

Here is reason :

隐藏: Party Wage Limit

Raganvald is at critical financial situation we have a system for limiting wages in these situations. If wage is over limit there happens desertion same as player's ability to limit wages with slider, however here leader also limit itself too, I think limiting leader is not problem but limit should be higher.

Each clan leader make a financial evaluation time to time and determine a wage limit for parties however problem is it seems even total wage is more than it should be party continues to recruit also we should limit clan leader 1.5x at least and at 30000-90000 gap limit can be 600-1200 instead of 600-1000. I will prepare shelve for needed changes (halt recruiting if wage is more than limit + 1.5x limit for clan leader + making upper limit 1200 for 30000-90000 gap + small AI code change to stop sending parties to towns / villages for recrutinig if payment limit is already reached) and leave them to @lottendill .

Probably it will be a hotfix over 1.6.1 not 1.6.0.

 

[SGT_Night]

Thanks!

 

[Dabos37]

Ok. While packaging I see a new mail and examined situation.

Here is reason :

隐藏: Party Wage Limit

Raganvald is at critical financial situation we have a system for limiting wages in these situations. If wage is over limit there happens desertion same as player's ability to limit wages with slider, however here leader also limit itself too, I think limiting leader is not problem but limit should be higher.

Each clan leader make a financial evaluation time to time and determine a wage limit for parties however problem is it seems even total wage is more than it should be party continues to recruit also we should limit clan leader 1.5x at least and at 30000-90000 gap limit can be 600-1200 instead of 600-1000. I will prepare shelve for needed changes (halt recruiting if wage is more than limit + 1.5x limit for clan leader + making upper limit 1200 for 30000-90000 gap + small AI code change to stop sending parties to towns / villages for recrutinig if payment limit is already reached) and leave them to @lottendill .

Probably it will be a hotfix over 1.6.1 not 1.6.0.

Thank you very much!!!! <3

 

[lottendill]

The problem has been fixed in our development branch. You will get the fix as 1.6.1 hotfix. Thanks for your report!

 

[Dabos37]

The problem has been fixed in our development branch. You will get the fix as 1.6.1 hotfix. Thanks for your report!

Thanks!

Do you think this issue is the reason because I am detecting some ruler clans like Vlandia and Sturgia ones getting poor?

I am starting a new test in 1.6.1 and going to do another test after receive the hotfix to check if I still continue detecting some clans with enough fiefs being so poor. These ruler clans start being rich with 1280 strength or so according to encyclopedy, and after some hundreds of days, they always going to bankrupt in all my campaigns, and these rulers are just able to sustain 100-120 party size as much.