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RecursiveHarmony said:

@mr_paradox
Firstly added troops to the problematic template as i said before. Replace it in the party_templates.txt

Then I created an option named "Fix 0 troops reinforcements party bug.". It loops through parties and adds 3 farmers to the each party created from the template above. It display the number of parties fixed with a message. It's in the camp menu above the "Resume travelling." option.
Replace it in the menus.txt.

It's two lines long starting with "menu_camp" and "mno_camp_action_1".
Remember to take backups.

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RecursiveHarmony said:

I highlighted that line cause it was the closest to the what i was trying to say. In general, whoever talks must be there. Dialogs mostly uses party leader as the partner and it's the first troop in the party (or the first hero if there is one). When there is no troop in a party, dialog partner becomes 'null'. (It's a special empty object used in programming.) Using a null object causes an 'exception'. Exceptions are the things that causes red error messages appearing when an application crashes. In short, there is no one to talk to so the dialog makes the game crash.
The rest of the post is mainly directed to the mod developers, a little bit extra insight about the problem.
Edit: Tested it with empty looter parties (cheats and editing enabled), crashes without a message when you talk to them or after some time passes.

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RecursiveHarmony said:

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If the interaction triggers a dialog it's possible. In module_dialogs:

You need some units to do the talking.
Appearently Zalea is a Hakkon village. Quick strings has this entry: "Reinforcements from {s14}". Party templates has this empty party template: "pt_reinforcements". I guess it's one of the dynamically created parties and they just forgot to add some troops in it.

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Zevoox said:

Very strange... Ive never seen anything like this... Does it only happens while you are close to this 0 number unit? Crashes i mean. Also am i to understand that youve meet this unit again in your second playthrough? Did you use cheats only this time or you use them pretty regularly?

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Zevoox said:

I know that its not cool to even try but youve said that youve never had any problems with this mod right? Can you try to play an older version of this mod? Like 0.99 for example? Or 1.0? etc? If the problem returns then its for sure your rig. Im at it again because we dont hear anyone having this kind of problem with the mod. Also did you try to turn off shaders? In the newest version of this mod the colors are much more vibrant and "alive" maybe shaders are a part of the problem.

You dont need to really play the older version, just maybe gather a party and besiege some castles\ fight osme lords and\or wait on the map for several weeks to see if the problem returns....

You often speak about this type of spawn "reinforcements" with amount of units 0. Its interesting... Did you meet them at any point in one of your previous playthroughs in the previous versions of the mod?

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Zevoox said:

I know that its not cool to even try but youve said that youve never had any problems with this mod right? Can you try to play an older version of this mod? Like 0.99 for example? Or 1.0? etc? If the problem returns then its for sure your rig. Im at it again because we dont hear anyone having this kind of problem with the mod. Also did you try to turn off shaders? In the newest version of this mod the colors are much more vibrant and "alive" maybe shaders are a part of the problem.

You dont need to really play the older version, just maybe gather a party and besiege some castles\ fight osme lords and\or wait on the map for several weeks to see if the problem returns....

You often speak about this type of spawn "reinforcements" with amount of units 0. Its interesting... Did you meet them at any point in one of your previous playthroughs in the previous versions of the mod?

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Michadr said:

V1.3 should be coming soon. Maybe that will work for you.

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ermine said:

2nd Playthrough without major issues out of countless others . Yet I would not repute this mod as polished ( it is a gem , no offence intended).

so much going on - for me the global reduction of Spawns does help. It runs smoother from day 180 onwards than in the timeframe july - sep of first ingame year ( as factions eliminated and the Zann Hordes too).

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Michadr said:

V

1.2.3
So you must have the latest I suppose. I'd try a fresh install at this point.

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Michadr said:

You aren't running the latest version of the mod.

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Zevoox said:

How big is your battlesize scale? In my case the safe amount is 300. Maybe try also scaling the battlesize down too to the number that feels comfortale? You say that you have 6gb of ram? Its not that much for today standards so it may help.

Can you continue the game without triggering this bug? For example by not interacting with these reinforcements? From what you say it seems that it can happen randomly in various moments. You also mentioned that you dont have any informations about bugs and that game freezes for a moment and then go to the pulpit. From everything that i know about this game, this mod and computers it looks like some kind of problem on your part either your computer or some errors in installed version of your mod like (faulty installation for example. I also see that you doubt thats the case. At the same time bugs with quests hardly ever trigger such violent reaction in games.

Try to load the previous save to see if it helps and maybe dont interact with the quest mentioned by kgwovan.

To be sure do as follows:

-Check your ram and graphics card.

-Uninstall the mod and even warband. Install it all fresh and to be sure that everything works as it should install the mod from steam. You can put saves from the ModDB version into the steam version no problem. Just copy them in some safe place before uninstalling everything...

Other than that its hard to come up with more ideas because mod itself seems to work right. Ive travelled through the whole continent doing battles and besieging several cities and nothing bad happened.
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kgwovan said:

@mr_paradox
I've also encounter the 0-unit crash , however, for a different scenario. In my case, they showed up because of the error for the Revolution in Vinica quest line. I also had a fond memory of encountering the same crash you had once, related to time, don't remember the cause... maybe the same related bug?

This was back in 1.12, and I don't think Vinica is fixed yet, so to avoid this certain issue, I just have to avoid the error quests or start a new game/saved file before the quest.

Overall, avoid bugged quests to be safe

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Zevoox said:

-If other players can play this mod without problems then if shouldnt be a problem of the mod itself and it must be related to your computer or the way youve installed this mod. Was it downloaded from ModDB, Nexus or Steam? If it was downloaded from ModDB or Nexus there is a potential problem right there. There were several fixes\patches for the mod uploaded on ModDB. If you didnt install them or installed them in a wrong way it may also cause these problems.


-I would check your ram and graphics card, especially if you have nvidia graphics card. I had many situations with nvidia graphics cards where games would crash because there was a small and random problem with the card and in some cases those problems grew to the point where card just burned and didnt work properly.

-Maybe the heat in the casing gets too high and overheat the card or other part of your computer.

-Things like what you speak off often happens when pc cant handle the game. If there is some random ram\video card problem then things like that can happen.

-Also your power suply my be failing or cant give enough power to your rig so in some istuations it can cause a crash.

-If your pc use older windows then it would also be a potential problem because older windows were 32 bit and didnt allocate enough ram for this game. I know that you didnt have any problems in version 0.99 but if you had a format of your hard drive then not all settings that you had before might be as they should.

-If your computer is older then it could also potentially be a source of the problem. I know that you didnt have any problems with previous versions but many things are always added in the new versions so maybe the new things are the straw that broke the camels back...

-Do you use laptop or pc or maybe a Mac?

I have one more idea\question... Are those units that had 0 soldiers that are called reinforcements arent by chance some type of specific units for one of your companions that you made into vasals? Im asking because i dont remember seeing this type of spawn but im also never use my companions as lords. I prefer to have them as my companions and bodyguards and i use normal lords from other countries as my vasals...

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Zevoox said:

Sorry but im not sure what to think because here you say that : - The crash doesn't happen after a battle or reloading. Then you say: this usually happens after a battle. I understand that crashes wont happen at the same date if you start doing other things than previously? If thats the case then 2 most possible explanations are that there is something on the map that make game crash when you are close to it or try to interact with it or the game is stressing your rig too much.

Did you try to put textures quality even lower like 40-60%?

Maybe lets start from the beginning.

-What are the specs of your rig?

-What happens when crash happens? Is there some info like some kind of texture didnt load? Or game couldnt find some object?

-Is game just stopping\freezing or is it closing the game and throw you to your windows screen?

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Zevoox said:

To be sure i would download the mod again and unpack it with 7zip. Dont use WinRaR i had problems with some mods when i unpacked them with WinRaR. Maybe new versions of it are better but i remember that Michadr a Perisno dev supported my claim that its wise to use 7zip so try to use it to unpack this mod.

If that doesnt help install mod from steam because there is a chance that mod version from the site from which you downloaded it has some bugs.

Other thing that can also help is to put the textures quality in the game to 75-85% because this game has a huge memory leak problem and this helps immensely.and im mentioning this because you've said that it happens also after a battle or reloading a save.

Be sure that you downloaded all patches and fixes and installed them correctly because sometimes even a minor mistake can give you many problems...

You can also tinker with other settings in the game engine.

Also there is a question of your pc maybe you have a bug\adware\troyan\malware that puts too huge stress on your rig and forces crashes while gaming...

Another thing is this reinforcements from adat unit which i dont know nothing about. Ive never seen any unit like that if im not mistaken. If the game things that this unit has 0 units then it should vanish in a moment because there are no more soldiers there. Also if unit stays then some soldiers should show up soon and there shouldnt be 0 soldiers in the unit anymore. If you still have this save near this unit then try to go away in the different direction wait some time and return to see if they are still there if they are not maybe it will help with crashes also. Only other situations when there are units with 0 soldiers are when your recruiter wants to find recruits for you or when (if im not mistaken) you want to send assassins after some lady. In that case they may attack also you and there may be 0 soldiers in that company I think...

If nothing helps feel free to return to and ask for more help im sure there is someone who can help you or maybe even dev will see your post. In case of saves you can easly copy your saves from the steam version to the moddb version and back, you just need to find the save location for this mod.

Good Luck! ^^

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