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It is, but there is a workaround:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,202131.0.html

Technically it should be possible. Just a reversal of the dueling code here and there.

I haven't played with Villian in quite a while, but it's true that the Adenian foot troops (both melee and archers) received a significant boost at one point, and at a certain range the Villianese can be out-shot (short bows fire faster than longbows and war bows). The fact that the Villianese suck at countering cavalry in the open doesn't help against Aden either. But as LibSpit said, things will get more balanced later.

For the moment I advise you to either stay out of Aden's league until you can field more troops OR employ mercenaries/auxiliaries that can help out with your problem. Villianese shield wall + longbowmen usually win against archer-heavy armies, but you might wanna field pikemen or extra cavalry to break up incoming cavalry charges.

Ah, that's because we were discussing what a potential continuation for the mod would entail (if we made a "SOD 3" for MnB 2). And if it would include a lengthy time jump, guns would logically be more widespread, but that doesn't mean compulsory usage of course.

Yeah, there's that, but just like you said, it's just an option. Plus Faith Troops are not really 'regular' units, you have to earn them.

Have you even played the mod ? None of the already implemented factions have regular troops with firearms, and they will stay that way. Future factions will be mostly free of them as well. To quote myself from the previos page:

Only a handful of 'unavoidable' enemies will use gunpowder weapons, and even them are mostly stuck on the level of hand-cannons.

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darthdj31 said:

I thought there was small talk about a firearm off/on option?

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Make no mistake, this is also in consideration. But the fact that you can effectively close out most guns from the game simply by not using them as weapons or hiring very specific mercs renders this option somewhat redundant.

SaintRouge said:

Morris takes guns seriously. 

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Yeah, I suppose I do    but only because logic dictates so in accordance to the storyline. I don't want to make major spoilers, though...

A prequel would have much more limited opportunities; there would be a lot less weapons/armors/etc because they weren't in use at the time, not to mention many factions would have to be cut out: the SOD nations and the Calradians had minimal contact prior to the Invasion of Calradia, a lot of the mercenary factions were nowhere around yet, and Ponavosa was not discovered up until a few years before the start of SOD: Warlords. Sure, we could build up 'in-between' episodes, such as the Empire's conquest of the SOD nations prior to the Invasion of Calradia (from the Imperials' point of view) and whatnot, but these would be more trouble than they are worth, and would restrict the Player a lot if we enforced 'canon endings'. A prequel would be, in a lot of regards, taking a step backwards. A sequel, on the other hand...

I understand that there are quite a few players who dislike guns and prefer to stick to medieval warfare, but as I perceive it there are just as many who wouldn't mind taking pew-pew-ing a step further. In SOD: Warlords, there is a compromise - there are very few guns involved at all so long as you do not want to involve them.  I think it's a fair trade, as it pleases both parties of players, but in a potential sequel, this may no longer possess a logical basis. But as I stated, it's faaar tooo eeeaaarly to worry over this now.

ATTENTION, VOICE ACTORS AND WOULD-BE VOLUNTEERS !

New material has been added to the first post. Duel lines will now be faction-specific, and thus will have greater diversity.

If - IF ! - we ever get to making SOD 3, wider inclusion of firearms is a logical necessity, the scale depending on how further we proceed in time. So if we only jump 20-30 years, that means guns are still scarce in general (unavaible to basic faction troops), but 100+ years is an entirely different tale, considering some off-map nations in the SOD universe already have matchlock or even flintlock muskets and cultural/technical exchange is bound to speed up between continents. Anyway, considering the time necessary to make a full-blown mod (Warlords is barely halfway done), we need not worry over such details right now.

On the other hand, there will be new guns introduced in later versions of SOD: Warlords, but accordingly to our gunpowder policy, the majority of them won't ever appear if you don't want to use them; this means that only random tavern mercenaries have them, and they are rare in shops too. In short: if you don't want it, don't use it. Period. Only a handful of 'unavoidable' enemies will use gunpowder weapons, and even them are mostly stuck on the level of hand-cannons.

We'll see what MnB 2 will have to offer once it's out and mostly bug-free... and SOD Warlords still has so much to progress.

The scary thing is, I've already accumulated ideas for a potential SOD 3, and in some manners, LibSpit's steampunk nightmares weren't far from what I've thought up...

*ominous music*

Volunteers are always welcome, even if only to increase voice variety at the moment. Later on there will be more voice work needed anyway.

Because it is an 'unfinished feature'. Currently all the Royal Set items are useless, precisely because they are not meant to be used until they are properly balanced and possibly polished.

It could be included, but it wouldn't really serve practical purposes - I doubt too many people would play 18-20 in-game years just to see those children grow up and actually become useful.

1) Do the normal factions have zealous troops? If so, what are they?

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Currently they don't have any, but they will in future versions.

I don't think there's much justice in comparing a finished product with a work in progress.

The "original" SOD is a finished mod that has been developed for almost half a decade by a whole modding group and pushed vanilla MnB's technical capabilities to the limit in more than one regard. So if one wants a mod full of new features, factions, items, background elements, etc. without having to worry about when does the next patch/update come out, and you aren't bothered by the limitations of MnB (and occasional bugs), SOD will definetly give you a lasting experience.

SOD: Warlords has almost exclusively been shaped by Computica, and many features that worked well in the original SOD simply don't work out in Warband due to differences in coding and gameplay, and had/have to be thrown out of the window or remade from scratch - ie. the Mercenary Guilds system, which is still in the progress of re-making. Also, SOD: Warlords still has to advance to the point where story implementation may commence, so roleplay fans also have a long time to wait. But mark my word, if SOD: Warlord gets finished, it will outperform the original SOD many times over.

Then I'm sure you'll be happy to know that SOD Warlords will have several times more dialogues and lore material than classic SOD ever had, as well as a strong main storyline with multiple endings. But as LibSpit stated, that's a looong way... it is possible that the Royal Sets will be made avaible again prior to story implementation.

You know it well, Notsure. The original SOD team pretty much dissolved after v5.0 was done; Computica came at a time when it was nearly complete anyway so ever since he worked almost exclusively on Warband. So another bugfix for good ol' SOD v5.0 is unlikely.

I'm doing a lil' picture dump again, in the hopes of inspiring Computica to include some of these beauties later on...

Multi-barrel revolver carbines
(barrels must be rotated manually)


Three-barrel carbine
(7-barreled, actually; 4 are hidden in the stock)


Double-barrel blunderbuss
(over and under style)


Flintlock revolver
(5-shot)


Long muskets
(flintlocks)


Hand mortars
(Area-of-effect ? Yes please.)


Revolver pistol-dagger
(I have yet to find how many shots it had...)


Pistol-saber
(just because)


Morningstar/hand cannon hybrid
(4 barrels)



Obviously, the last one is my personal favourite. 

Truth to be told, I based the descriptions on the mod original founder's (Vonmistont's) hints and whatnot when I made this topic, even though I roused an eyebrow myself at the Void resembling Islam (though I admit, I know little about Islam so I didn't argue). I think I'll simply remove the 'parallels' from the description of the religions, they don't have anything to do with the religions' in-game representation anyway.