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    The RUSSIA thread

    Workaholic said:
    It's still their choice how will they organize their country. Russia is a permanent member of the UNSC(right of veto and all) with large amounts of natural resources that everyone in the world wants to buy, all that gives them huge maneuverability and influence both in domestic and international field, so I'm not sure what's the West got to do with a lack of democracy or with the increasing radicalization in their country. While most other Eastern European countries have been developed into modern states (mostly under EU pressure to enforce rule of law), Russia is still trying hard to prove to someone that they're still super-power and not to be messed with. Unfortunately, most of their natural resources are usually spent only for that purpose, tycoons created bad atmosphere in which hardly any kind of democracy can be evolved. It's a shame country with such potential is practically turning into an authoritarian state.

    I agree it's their own choice. And yes, they have huge maneuverability and influence when it comes to natural resources and such. I'm not disputing that. I'm talking less about the state, and more about the population. Putin enjoys quite a lot of support over there, just take a look at his approval ratings.

    I mean, it should be no secret that he's authoritarian, yet he enjoys massive support. Of course, there could be several explanations, his hard approach to conflicts (the second chechen war, for example), or his strong image compared to Yeltsin's drunk foolishness on stage.
    However, in my opinion, he also has a clear anti-US way of handling issues, and seems to be happy if given the chance to go against American policy. I just believe there could be a connection between this and his approval. Yeltsin was, in many ways, a very welcoming figure to the West. We embraced him, and he tended to be much more cooperative, but I think(think!) that he, in some ways, symbolised a US leader of Russia, if they were to pick one.

    I don't think it can be compared to the Eastern European countries, since they were being dominated by then-Russia/the Soviet Union, so they were much more welcoming to, and sought a more Western approach.

    But on authoritarianism I agree. It is a shame.

    Workaholic said:
    While someone in RT thought that by creating a "new CNN" with big shinny studios and fancy reporters will make unbiased and modern TV station, situation with free journalism in Russia still remains taboo and it's ridiculous to compare it with journalism in Western countries. I'd say that whole situation with The Guardian and Snowden is a good example how journalists cope with government pressure in the system that is considered a free society, I can't imagine what would happen with newspapers in Russia if tried to publish some of their government secrets.

    Not sure if this was directed at me? But I agree with everything. Can't be compared, though there's definitely issues in the West too.

    Dodes said:
    Calling the fall of the Soviet Union the introduction of a free market is extremely far-fetched. The centralization of private holdings was not the result of moving from a planned to a free one. The Soviets literally auctioned off everything of wealth - mining rights, factories, logging companies, etc. - to anyone who would pay the most. It was a scramble during the collapse but it was not in the interest of a free market, rather anyone who had what little private capital there was to be had become crazy rich overnight and the officials who were in charge for "distributing the wealth" got a nice cut and now currently either hold the new government positions or live in mansions themselves. The profit that was once going primarily towards healthcare, the military, and totalitarian control is now going to capitalist cronies, the military, and totalitarian control - as a result life expectancy and standard of living had dropped dramatically for an industrialized nation. The only way the Federation has gotten away with this was by creating new scapegoats to terrorize - the Chechen, Georgians, immigrants, and homosexuals.

    You're right that maybe I'm way too blunt in my choice of words, but let me try and rephrase it then. The complete, unregulated free market was only introduced in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev had perestroika, but that was still with the objective of keeping the planned economy. And while it wasn't in the interest of the free market, the reforms under Yeltsin were very much so. Corruption is no surprise though.

    Good point about the scapegoats, but I'd like to point out that part of Putin's appeal is his attack on some of these oligarchs - Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Gusinsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsk as examples, who were either arrested or exiled.

    Dodes said:
    Also the concept of "encroachment" on Russian borders is probably what you are referring to as the seceding of many independent nations, many of which voted to remain a part of the new Federation, but were "generously granted independence". You'll notice the ones that did not vote to stay with the Federation or ones that were not granted independence were either intimidated, invaded, or suppressed in the following years.

    Well, I was mostly talking about NATO expansion into what was previously Russian-influenced areas. I personally think it was a justified move, and up to the individual countries to decide their own future, but I'm trying to look at the situation from a Russian perspective.
    I know NATO is a safety net for the small countries, but surely it could also be seen as a continuation of the Cold War politics, isolating Russia further. (The devil's advocate here.)


    Weaver said:
    Grauuu said:
    But I think a lot of the way there, we really have ourselves to blame.
    It is never a constructive thing to seek where to place the blame.
    Current situation was really a natural result of many factors.

    Yes, again, blunt words. No good. I'm just saying we may have had a bigger hand in those factors than we like to think. It's just so easy to go "Russia is stupid/undemocratic/crazy," but finding out why it's so is... well, interesting.

    That should make my point sound less radical. I think.
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    Víkingr Shieldwall Event (3/11/13)

    Women in the army is blatant feminism and I hate it.
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    What made you laugh today? v.IV

    Yeah, I'm sure there's an Arthas/Arthass/Arthasdk on every server.
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    Suggestion - GIFs.

    GIFs are good for you.

    I disapprove.
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    Evil Genius 2

    I'm waiting for the actual announcement, but in the meantime...

    SQUEE!
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    Introduction/Hello thread

    Sorry, my bad.

    I don't like Sir Hitson Winsler.
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    The RUSSIA thread

    MadVader said:
    There is an unpleasant and somewhat unfair anti-Russian narrative in the Western media since the end of the Cold War. It is hard to detect if you get used to it, and is in line with Western diplomacy objectives. Same with China.
    On the other hand, most of the criticisms are true (and the Russian state propaganda makes this even worse), the problem is just how important are the raised issues from the perspective of the Russian society. Well-meaning outraged foreign activists may not have the best picture.

    Really, the whole relationship between the West and Russia has just been a mess. But I think a lot of the way there, we really have ourselves to blame. When the Soviet Union fell, we could hardly hold back our excitement, and Yeltsin pretty much followed the capitalist ideals to a tee. Free market and privatization all around. But going from a planned economy to one without central control had the effect of creating an impoverished general population, and a few mega-rich tycoons(and those lucky enough in between). And as Russia struggled with the switch to a capitalist economy, there was the expansion of NATO, probably seen as the US/West taking advantage of the weak state of Russia, and encroachment on Russian borders.

    So to me, it's not surprising that there's been a radicalisation in Russia towards nationalism and a general anti-West sentiment. We can whine and criticize the lacking democracy in Russia all we want (and it is lacking, hot damn!). I just think it's not only on the shoulders of the Russians themselves.

    Eh, have I gone soft on the ruskies now?
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    Introduction/Hello thread

    Wellenbrecher said:
    Grauuu said:
    What did I miss?
    There's a noticeable lack of Rahn and Rams.

    I don't like this place.
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    What made you awestruck or astonished today?

    You should go to Siberia, if only because it's bragworthy.
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    Introduction/Hello thread

    Hi there. My name is Grauuu.

    I like beards, socialism and Rahn.
    I don't like Burgass.

    What did I miss?
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    Operation Pillar of Defense Launched

    Israel doing their part to defuse the situation.

    Why do I have a feeling of déjà vu right now?

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    Forum Moderation Feedback

    What I offer here is an involved yet detached look at the moderation team's mind games. Perhaps time, further study, and more reflection will either modify or enrich the analysis offered here, but the moderation team's "turn positions of leadership into positions of complacency" mentality is so pervasive that I feel like I'm going to cower before the emotions and accusations of others. You see, I clearly believe that it engages in pietistic babble that nauseates even some of my more religious friends. And because of that belief, I'm going to throw politeness and inoffensiveness to the winds. In this letter, I'm going to be as rude and crude as I know how, to reinforce the point that it and its grunts are combative philologasters. This is not set down in complaint against them but merely as analysis. We can divide the moderation team's vaporings into three categories: shiftless, lamebrained, and destructive. If we don't soon tell the moderation team to stop what it's doing, it will proceed with its tyrannical solutions, considerably emboldened by our lack of resistance. We will have tacitly given the moderation team our permission to do so.

    The moderation team has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. Is the moderation team's head really buried too deep in the sand to know that its chums are the carrion birds of humanity? Several highly cynical answers suggest themselves, but let it suffice to say that when I see it giving its implicit approval—and in some cases explicit approval—to nurture the seeds of our eventual destruction so that they grow like a rapidly malignant mutant form of kudzu I think that its peremptory notions have been found incompatible with personal security and the rights of property. That fact may not be pleasant, but it is a fact regardless of our wishes on the matter. Apparently, I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with the moderation team. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I reach out for things with permanence, things beyond wealth and comfort and pleasure, things that have real meaning.

    I recently read a book confirming what I've been saying for years, that my purpose here is not to give you some background information about the moderation team. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that the moderation team ignores a breathtaking number of facts, most notably:

    Fact: Unravelling the Gordian knot that is the moderation team is not difficult when you realize the multifaceted nature of the moderation team and its emissaries.

    Fact: The claim that the existence and perpetuation of gnosticism is its own moral justification is unmistakably illusory.

    Fact: The moderation team is the hypostatization of revanchism.

    In addition, the moderation team has occasionally been successful at threatening the existence of human life, perhaps all life on the planet. Upon such points its natural character always exhibits itself most determinedly as it further strives to utilize questionable and illegal fund-raising techniques.

    The moderation team has a one-track mind, and hence, by extension, the moderation team's goombahs remain largely silent when asked about the correlative connecting the moderation team to exhibitionism. The rare times they do deign to comment they invariably skew the issue to prevent people from realizing that if we let the moderation team undermine the intellectual purpose of higher education, then greed, corruption, and resistentialism will characterize the government. Oppressive measures will be directed against citizens. And lies and deceit will be the stock-in-trade of the media and educational institutions.

    It is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to convince the moderation team's epigones to remind it about the concept of truth in advertising. If you doubt this, just ask around. I must emphasize that the moderation team may have access to weapons of mass destruction. Then again, I consider it to be a weapon of mass destruction itself. My point may be made clearer by use of an allegorical tale. Suppose a hypothetical group of three people is standing in a room. One of those people realizes that those of us who have had to deal with the victims of the moderation team's inclinations don't find its perorations at all humorous. Another goes on and on about the moderation team's beastly homilies. But the third can't understand why the moderation team's mindless perversions are responsible for the growth in teen pregnancy, the demise of the work ethic, the size of the federal deficit, and everything else that's wrong with our nation. In this hypothetical situation, it should be obvious that most people react to the moderation team's impolitic jeremiads as they would to having a pile of steaming pig manure dumped on their doorstep. Even when they can cope, they resent having to do so. Speaking of resentment, there is no such thing as evil in the abstract. It exists only in the evil deeds of evil organizations like the moderation team. Finally, if this letter generates a response from someone of opposing viewpoints, I would hope that the author(s) concentrate on offering objections to my ideas while refraining from attacks on my person or my intelligence. I've gotten enough of that already from the moderation team.
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    2012 - Our doom year?

    Typical shooting people in the face fanboy.
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    What pissed you off today v. IV

    Then... what have I become?
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    What pissed you off today v. IV

    I never knew the world needed racosexofascicommusocialism this much.

    Thank you, stran- wait, is that you, Burgass? What happened to you, you used to be cool
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    What pissed you off today v. IV

    Where's all the fun Taleworlds threads about feminists and insane conspiracies where I can post nonsensical posts that are wildly off-topic and possibly inappropriate for a minor audience!?
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    Disney acquires LucasArts, Star Wars Episode 7 to come

    I have one for you.

    g48wV.jpg


    You don't have to thank me.
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    A Dragon or a Lightsaber?

    They can't take away your dragon if you're flying a kilometre over land.

    And they're on fire.
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    What made you sad today v.III

    I can't find an appropriate thread to tell everyone about how I didn't **** for five days in Northern Ireland, and it's making me sad.
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