Workaholic said:
It's still their choice how will they organize their country. Russia is a permanent member of the UNSC(right of veto and all) with large amounts of natural resources that everyone in the world wants to buy, all that gives them huge maneuverability and influence both in domestic and international field, so I'm not sure what's the West got to do with a lack of democracy or with the increasing radicalization in their country. While most other Eastern European countries have been developed into modern states (mostly under EU pressure to enforce rule of law), Russia is still trying hard to prove to someone that they're still super-power and not to be messed with. Unfortunately, most of their natural resources are usually spent only for that purpose, tycoons created bad atmosphere in which hardly any kind of democracy can be evolved. It's a shame country with such potential is practically turning into an authoritarian state.
I agree it's their own choice. And yes, they have huge maneuverability and influence when it comes to natural resources and such. I'm not disputing that. I'm talking less about the state, and more about the population. Putin enjoys quite a lot of support over there, just take a look at his
approval ratings.
I mean, it should be no secret that he's authoritarian, yet he enjoys massive support. Of course, there could be several explanations, his hard approach to conflicts (the second chechen war, for example), or his strong image compared to Yeltsin's drunk foolishness on stage.
However, in my opinion, he also has a clear anti-US way of handling issues, and seems to be happy if given the chance to go against American policy. I just believe there could be a connection between this and his approval. Yeltsin was, in many ways, a very welcoming figure to the West. We embraced him, and he tended to be much more cooperative, but I think(think!) that he, in some ways, symbolised a US leader of Russia, if they were to pick one.
I don't think it can be compared to the Eastern European countries, since they were being dominated by then-Russia/the Soviet Union, so they were much more welcoming to, and sought a more Western approach.
But on authoritarianism I agree. It is a shame.
Workaholic said:
While someone in RT thought that by creating a "new CNN" with big shinny studios and fancy reporters will make unbiased and modern TV station, situation with free journalism in Russia still remains taboo and it's ridiculous to compare it with journalism in Western countries. I'd say that whole situation with The Guardian and Snowden is a good example how journalists cope with government pressure in the system that is considered a free society, I can't imagine what would happen with newspapers in Russia if tried to publish some of their government secrets.
Not sure if this was directed at me? But I agree with everything. Can't be compared, though there's definitely issues in the West too.
Dodes said:
Calling the fall of the Soviet Union the introduction of a free market is extremely far-fetched. The centralization of private holdings was not the result of moving from a planned to a free one. The Soviets literally auctioned off everything of wealth - mining rights, factories, logging companies, etc. - to anyone who would pay the most. It was a scramble during the collapse but it was not in the interest of a free market, rather anyone who had what little private capital there was to be had become crazy rich overnight and the officials who were in charge for "distributing the wealth" got a nice cut and now currently either hold the new government positions or live in mansions themselves. The profit that was once going primarily towards healthcare, the military, and totalitarian control is now going to capitalist cronies, the military, and totalitarian control - as a result life expectancy and standard of living had dropped dramatically for an industrialized nation. The only way the Federation has gotten away with this was by creating new scapegoats to terrorize - the Chechen, Georgians, immigrants, and homosexuals.
You're right that maybe I'm way too blunt in my choice of words, but let me try and rephrase it then. The complete, unregulated free market was only introduced in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev had perestroika, but that was still with the objective of keeping the planned economy. And while it wasn't in the interest of the free market, the reforms under Yeltsin were very much so. Corruption is no surprise though.
Good point about the scapegoats, but I'd like to point out that part of Putin's appeal is his attack on some of these oligarchs - Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Gusinsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsk as examples, who were either arrested or exiled.
Dodes said:
Also the concept of "encroachment" on Russian borders is probably what you are referring to as the seceding of many independent nations, many of which voted to remain a part of the new Federation, but were "generously granted independence". You'll notice the ones that did not vote to stay with the Federation or ones that were not granted independence were either intimidated, invaded, or suppressed in the following years.
Well, I was mostly talking about NATO expansion into what was previously Russian-influenced areas. I personally think it was a justified move, and up to the individual countries to decide their own future, but I'm trying to look at the situation from a Russian perspective.
I know NATO is a safety net for the small countries, but surely it could also be seen as a continuation of the Cold War politics, isolating Russia further. (The devil's advocate here.)
Weaver said:
Grauuu said:
But I think a lot of the way there, we really have ourselves to blame.
It is never a constructive thing to seek where to place the blame.
Current situation was really a natural result of many factors.
Yes, again, blunt words. No good. I'm just saying we may have had a bigger hand in those factors than we like to think. It's just so easy to go "Russia is stupid/undemocratic/crazy," but finding out why it's so is... well, interesting.
That should make my point sound less radical. I think.