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RagnarGerman 说:

the Yldrena Láf sword for the Wísa also has a design from the migration period.

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Yldrena Laf was called that ("legacy of the ancestors") because it was not from this time period. Basically it was reinterpreted as a heirloom.

Great to see you guys still carrying the torch of Víkingr, it does make me a bit nostalgic. Good luck tomorrow!

Not that that wasn't interesting, but it's pop history journalism, with all its pitfalls (melodramatic lines and catchy but gratuitous hooks, and overselling pretty much everything). All the issues the guy mentions have been discussed for decades, and the consensus stands in spite of them because, despite its problems, it remains the most likely location.

This "TV historian" fails to take into consideration other names associated with the battle, such as Dingesmere (cf. Thingwall, a few miles from Bromborough), or details such as Óláfr/Amlaíb sailing from there directly to Ireland, or the form in independent Welsh annals (Brune; and by the way, the overwhelming majority of early sources have only one <n> in the name). If the Bromborough theory "rests on the name alone" (which isn't even completely true, as I said), his alternative doesn't really rest on anything but his assumption that everybody must have taken the most direct route, as if other considerations couldn't apply (like, I don't know, two big armies manoeuvring, perhaps having to get supplies from Man, or trying to get the Welsh involved for political reasons, or looking for the support of northern and western Wirral's Norse settlers, or what have you). Also, the article tries to pass as "early sources" stuff that was written 200 years after the fact, but I wager that's just the Daily Mail being ****, not the historian's fault.

edit: also, Amlaíb mac Gofraid was warring against Amlaíb Cenncairech of Limerick as late as August 937. It's exceedingly likely that he sailed directly from there to the western shores of England, to join the Scottish and Cumbrian forces; the Battle of Brunanburh must have taken place around October 937, so there's not a lot of room for a long detour.

Okay, at this point I figured it'd be a good idea to check my main source. Final /t/ and /d/ would indeed stay as [t] after a consonant, so that should be [avəˈlart] and [gaˈjãnt] (although that'd be the northern form, north of the Joret Line; the southern Old Norman form should be [dʒaˈjãnt]).

An important note, though: none of this is *really* based on Old Norman as such. There isn't or at least I haven't found any such detailed information on specifically Old Norman phonology on the internet for free. This is basically standard early Old French phonology (as per Frederick Bliss Luquiens's An Introduction to Old French Phonology and Morphology), on top of which the few known details of the Norman dialects are added (which is done basically by comparing standard eOF to later Norman and Anglo-Norman). It is only an approximation intended for Víkingr players, not for phonologists. I don't know nearly enough about eOF phonology to be more precise than this.

I really half-arsed that pronunciation guide. It would need a lot of work to be anywhere near decent.

I suspect the <b> in "Abelard" would be merely orthographic, in which case it'd be pronounced /avəˈlarθ/. As for "Amiere", I think it would be /ãˈmjɛrə/.

RagnarGerman 说:

2 and a half year ago.... damn. I still remember how we waited for an assault in the woods.

(Holy ****, we have brought 50 men to that event. ._. )

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Thanks for doing this!

Höfðingi is simply höfuð, "head", plus the -ing ending. It is practically identical to Latin capitaneus (>English captain, chieftain), from caput, "head".

Vörðr means (and is etymologically the same as) "guard". I don't know if the word had more specialized uses, but here the generic meaning is intended (they're supposed to represent the chieftain's core professional retainers).

Liði doesn't mean "member of the levy (in the sense we tend to think of)" so much as "member of a host, or of a ship's crew".

As for hersir, Wikipedia doesn't say they commanded 100 men, but a hundred, which is an administrative division, i. e. land. I don't know where they got that, though. The thing is, this was a long time, and what a hersir was seems to have changed a lot.

So set up your own server/event for the summer? It's not that hard.

brata123 说:

I will come.

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Did you manage to get your autoblock working then?

Perhaps a method could be found that would not require you or any other organizer to actually do all that much? Turn it into more of a casual play day, without any admin'ing beyond kicking and/or banning people?

vtz 说:

Dansk viking 说:

Another option would be Snorri af Vindlandi, "Snorri of Wendland".

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hrotha 说:

"Wend" should indeed be acceptable for a Pole. Problem is, the singular forms of Winedas and Vindr/Vindir are not attested, and it's hard to guess at what they may have been. But perhaps Vinda-Snorri, "Snorri of the Wends", would do the trick.

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Thank you very much guys, I'll consider both options I know Thorkell's one is probably more historical, but Hrotha's version sounds cooler to me 

BTW, I've another question: Where did word Wendland come from? I don't have any idea about it, especially that it doesn't exist in Polish/Czecho-Slovak. Is that a Viking word? If so, what does it mean?

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Oh, I totally dropped the ball by not thinking of af Vindlandi there. That's indeed the safest option, especially since Vinda-Snorri would imply this Snorri is an ethnic Wend, which raises the question of why an ethnic Wend would bear that Norse name. But perhaps he's of mixed heritage or something.

As for Wendland, Wend is a general Germanic word, ultimately borrowed from a native Baltic name that also yielded Medieval Latin Veneti.

Warner 说:

Hi guys, for the sake of a friend (who is making a viking age short-film), I'd like to ask if you can help me determine the etymology of the names "Lufian", "Cyst" and "Kendryek". These are the names that have been picked for some of the main characters. He claims they are all three of Old (continental) Saxon origin as he got them from an Old Saxon dictionary. However, I'd really appreciate your expert opinions on this (I know Hrotha/Éadríc might be able to help me here). If they are not Old Saxon names, I would be eternally grateful if someone could help me find the equivalent of those names in proper Old Saxon (continental).

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Those aren't real names, but for some reason they pop up in random names websites. Lufian is Old English for "to love", cyst means "choice", or "chest", or "you/he/she/it kiss(es)", Kendryek looks like a modern variant of Kendrick, which itself isn't Old Saxon in either form or origin. Kunirīk might be an Old Saxon equivalent if we assume it is Germanic (rather than Welsh).

It seems Baker's Electronic Introduction to Old English is gone, but you can still find it here. That's the best you're going to find for free, but, contrary to the print version, it doesn't include any reading material.

At any rate, if you're interested in Old English you're going to have to do without the diacritics sooner or later.

Oh, Faroese does have that very same LL > TL shift. Simple matter of dissimilation, pretty common thing all over the world.

Anyway, I think people are confusing a language having a phonetic spelling with having a spelling that closely matches the International Phonetic Alphabet transcription. German Eichhörnchen may look hard to pronounce and not that close to [ˈaɪçˌhœɐnçn], but the thing is, once you know how German spelling works, that pronunciation is 100% predictable from its spelling. However, that's not always the case with German - for example, predicting vowel length can be a pain sometimes. Similarly, Icelandic and Faroese spelling have many relatively unintuitive quirks, but again, once you know what's what, the pronunciation is almost completely predictable from the spelling, so you could argue they are indeed "pronounced the way they're written".

Finnish simply has way fewer such quirks, because its spelling is more modern.

oorestis 说:

No offence, but I never liked that kind of cowardice. Instead of being at the flag helping your mates, youre off trolling enemy arty who all they have is butter knives.

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This makes no sense. Of course, if the enemy is truly pressing on the flag itself then by all means, fall back and defend it, but too many people think defending in Siege is about holding the flag and forgetting everything else. It's not. You need to be aggressive and charge the enemy often and boldly to hold or retake strategic points; anti-artillery sorties can be one of many such aggressive tactics that help your team A LOT more than any flag camping ever could. Historically, defending during a siege was all about this kind of thing, and it so happens it translates well into NW. In case you didn't notice, the defending team is winning in that video.

But since too few people understand this, it's always the same handful of defenders doing the heavy work in the servers and losing their lives early, and therefore if the attackers don't have too many campers of their own they'll inevitably win.

TirAeda 说:

I had no idea. That was just one of the websites I use to construct something that resembles Old English, though I do tend to sometimes run into the fact I can't find any other sources on such words - and I have no idea where they got them on the site.

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You can read about its sources here. They look extremely unreliable to me (the Old English Wikipedia? Bah, they constantly coin new words, sometimes by borrowing from other Germanic languages, and even if you can justify that, still, they have no regard for whether a word is poetic or not, early or late OE, West Saxon or Anglian... They basically turn OE into a crappy conlang). And that New Anglo-Saxon Chronicle thing, while no doubt interesting, has the exact same problems as the OE Wiki. I mean, it's fine as a game, Eadric and I do it all the time out of necessity when we talk in OE, but it's definitely not scholarly by any stretch of the imagination.

There are two options for "Polish" - though I don't know if they mean the people or the item you use to make things shiny, or the action to. xD

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It's meant to be the action of making things shiny (i.e. the verb, hence the "v." next to bywan; should be býwan, by the way, since they mark long vowels for hwítian), but even then they get that wrong - hwítian is a verb too, not an adjective.

Wends would be the possibility. Though couldn't the Anglo-Saxons pick up a continental name for the Slavs? Perhaps something like "Welsh" (An older form of course.)? Since that just means foreigner.

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Originally it just meant "foreigner", but its meaning had become restricted. In Britain, it only meant "Welsh" (although by then "Welsh" had a broader application than it does now). In ON, it seems to have been used mostly of France according to the Cleasby/Vigfússon dictionary. The only possibility I can think of would be a learned borrowing of Greek Σκλαβηνοί, Latin Sclaveni, but I don't think any such loanword is attested, and it may have the same problems "Wends" has: it would not necessarily be applicable to all Slavs at this point.

vtz 说:

Thank you guys 
I didn't know Vikings and Anglo-Saxons didn't have any words for all Slavs. But I guess Wend would work as I wanted it for myself mostly and I'm a Pole. Also, I'm looking for a singular form.

So would Vindir be an Old Norse therm for a Western Slav? If so, could my name be Snorri Vindir? Thanks

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"Wend" should indeed be acceptable for a Pole. Problem is, the singular forms of Winedas and Vindr/Vindir are not attested, and it's hard to guess at what they may have been. But perhaps Vinda-Snorri, "Snorri of the Wends", would do the trick.

As far as I know, they didn't have any word for the Slavs as a whole. The most generic one might be OE Winedas, ON Vindir/Vindr, "Wends", which would not work, for example, for the Rus'. As for OE russisc, it's not on the Bosworth-Toller dictionary and I can't find a source - it might be a modern coinage based on ON Rússar, "Rus'".

So, I would rule out "Slav" and go for something more specific.

Thanks for organizing it!

For the next one, I'd recommend you to reconsider using the standard 860 s starting money. The lower figure might be more realistic, I dunno, but the thing is, the factions were balanced for 860 s. It's up to you, though!

I have it too. Also all maps from Dněprŭ, Sulcoit, Eoferwic and Val de Saire.

If you search for "pald" and "pold" here, you'll see both variants being used. If you look at the situation in Austria, you'll even find instances of alternating Liutpaldus/Liutpoldus. So yeah, it should be fine. I would imagine the forms with -pald are more conservative, though.