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wakko2k 说:

Phoss 说:

Qwertyman 说:

Fitting in with their theme, i'd like a seperate top-teir unit for nords,  a berserker inspired unit that has less armour than the huskall, but makes use of a nice greataxe-  they should suffer all the same downsides they would have in real life,  like being nothing more than moving targets against archers,  but should also be a bit of a wild card in that when used correctly they can tear through lesser infantry.

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What real life is that?

Vikings always wore heavy leather/fur or ring mail armor in combat. The 'berserker' is not an individual warrior anywhere but in Fantasy gaming. Berserker rage was achieved by eating a dried up poisonous fungus before battle. It was thought to give amazing powers while the real effect was nothing more than an intoxication due to the poison, and it was used by all warriors, not just some individual 'Berserkers.'

If this game should be true to life, Nords should have three units: Farmer, Warrior and Huskarl. Possibly a mounted Jarl, but they are represented in MB as lords. All vikings were typically skilled with a bow or throwing spear. (Provided we're assuming the Nords are based on the Scandinavian viking culture).

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If im not completely wrong and might have picked up something while reading history, the warriors who got the name "berserker" wasnt really wearing much armor though did they? Didnt they often have fur coats from animals? (wolfs or bears?) And ran into battle (high by the fungus they've eating making them feel less pain and being completely mad) and killing everything they see. Imagine a Viking running towards you, feeling no pain, screaming and being totally mad with fur from a bear as a coat, swinging 2 axes. I would run away for sure...

But... I still think Nords should be using 2 handed axes A new unit or not, 2 handed axes should be one of thier primary weapons.

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Phoss is right on target here.

Beserkas is not a warrior. Beserkas have to some extend existed but, much has been added by "fantasy" over time. It was a way of life not a titel for warriors.

They lived often alone, or in small groups (often 12) from time to time. They wander in the wild and wore pelts from the animal they killed. This to tribute the gods mostly Odin.

Beserkas as soldiers was soldiers that ate fungus (dried or ale made of it). Now this was a common thing they did be4 battle and not a few individuals. This made them drunk and there is where the myth of beserkas in the battle field was born. Becaus if you are intoxicated u do not respond to pain as much.

And 2h was verry rare irl becaus it is hard to use in a good way in battle and you give up to much protection with out getting any major advantage. People think viking used them becaus of the beserka myth and think  they do not need much armour becaus of it.
   
The battles in M&B do not do a accurate representation of the battle irl which was much bigger and way way way more chaotic. Not having a shield was next to suicide in real battles. They didn't even used 2h weapons much when raiding defenesless villages and that should tell you hove dangures it is to use 2h weapons. (fun fact viking didn't raided as much as ppl want to think they was majorly merchants)

i do not know rly. 2h weapons is a rare on the battlefield becaus you are so open to get shot by a arrow or bolt or get swarmd.

using a 2h is way harder than they make it out to be in anygame so i'm not suprised that not many common soldiers use them nords or not.

Mulek 说:

Lajkos 说:

in the first battle i had in warband against some bandits i charge in with my chav and first thing that happens is me getting a throwing axe in my head launching me of my horse in first person view. don't relly know why but it was really funny

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

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WT*

damn UK always fuc*ing up my posts

DeViLmAn0 说:

Thats not entirely accurate from what ive observed battle start. Ive had one companion set with a 2h in the first slot and the 1h weapon in one of the others and only a few times have they gone into battle with the 2h, other times they pull out the 1h unless they have a ranged weapon to use.

Man theres gotta be something that plays a more definite roll in this.

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are u sure they didn't start with the 2h and than switched weapon the first thing they did in battle? when i wrote start with i was focusing on when you "spawn" on the batlle field i did'nt count any peticular time after that.

in the first battle i had in warband against some bandits i charge in with my chav and first thing that happens is me getting a throwing axe in my head launching me of my horse in first person view. don't relly know why but it was really funny

tyrannicide 说:

This one was rather funny than a problem (fighting as we were against a handful of looters):

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the horse gored your a**

for my heroes i always have 2h/lance/(x)bow in first weapon slot, throwing/arrows/bolts in seocund, 1h in third and shield in fourth slot.

And my copanions switch weapons pretty often so i think that the order in witch the weapons are in matters, but not know how much it matter. It make sense that they will start with the weapon in the first weapon slot

DeViLmAn0 说:

They must not like me lol. i havent seen my guys really switch up with the exception of from ranged to melee.
i had given firentis at one point a 2h polearm and a 1h blunt/shield. always used the blunt. took the shield away and still blunt.  Tried 2h maul and 1h, always used the 1h lol.

Tricky AI to figure out in the case of weapon selection lol

Edit: Guess im going to have to try and experiment a bit more later. Test out my proficiencies theory and such. Think im going to try to do with i did in the mod i played the original M&B with exclusively and start out by tryin to recruit the companions i plan to use and run as a small squad till i train them up a bit. ...and someones getting an axe!! bothersome sea raider shields -.-

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I always have Firentis with more skill in 2h than 1h but stil faily high in 1h, so it could be worth looking into

i have notice that when i give Firentis a 2h maul and 1h blunt with shield, he use the 2h most (it's in the first weapon slot) but if he get swarmed he switch to 1h and shield. it could be a fluke but i have seen it several times.

But i have also seen that heroes use spears or lances when they are in long range to the enemy but if they come really close to each other they switch to swords.

so i think they switch weapons depending on the situation

Amundr 说:

Lajkos 说:

First of the lions on the Swedish tabard need to be in gold/yellow. White lions remindes me to much of Finland.

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Should be a gold lion on a blue field in the latest patch.

Lajkos 说:

Secound on the world map it make no sence that Norway is blue and Sweden green. Blue is the major colour or Sweden wile it is only a Minor colour or Norway. Blue (mby gold/yellow) for Sweden and Red or White for Norway would make more sense.

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Actually the red, white and blue for norway only became the norwegian colours after the unions with denmark and sweden.
At this time the colours for norway are red and gold.

The faction colours on the main map is all up to othr though, and theres alot of factions with blue and red as their historical colours.

Lajkos 说:

And many of the names is just wierd, the city names are good but not the names of the lords and to some extend the trops. For exampel for the king you have but the king part behind the name. It should be infront of the name and it should be "Konung" or "Kung" not Konungr
"Konung Valdemar Birgersson" not "Valdemar Birgersson Konungr"

And many of the other names have things like " ð" in them. it just make it look wierd tbh, as for the Sweden faction there is "å,ä,ö" that is added over the english alpabeth

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We have tried to keep it historical correct by using the language used at the time and the way it was written at the time. So we have used Old Norse and Old Norse letters.

Lajkos 说:

Another smal thing is that you reqruit "huskarl" but it should be "huskarlar" sense the game have unit names in plural form.

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All the troop titles in the norse tree are singular.

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most have done something wrong when i instaled the patch 'caus the lions are white for me, will do another try then.

and that you want to be historic correct is good but i do not think you have to go so far to take in the out dated letters, when you have Gävle as a village in a mod for the 1257 becaus Gävle was founded 1423. And it should be more north of stockholm. i think it's more importent to have clear names insted of letters that not many know how to pronounce but thats just my opinion.

as for the colours i still think you can come up with a better color than green, even though many have blue and gold as colors i think many have more or other than just thoughs two, but i understand that i can be difficult to get a good balance between factions and colors but stil just pointing out.

And for the plural/singular thing, when i was looking over in norway they had plural but that could be that the patch didn't work correct for me. and it does not make much sense that the trops names stands in singular sense you more often than not recruit/have more than one person of the unit.

anyway do not want to sound like a nagger, it's a great mod i'm just saying

i will not pretend that i read the whole thread, but i played this mod for a few days and i like it so far. And it thought i could give some input mainly about Sweden sense i'm from Sweden my self.

First of the lions on the Swedish tabard need to be in gold/yellow. White lions remindes me to much of Finland.

Secound on the world map it make no sence that Norway is blue and Sweden green. Blue is the major colour or Sweden wile it is only a Minor colour or Norway. Blue (mby gold/yellow) for Sweden and Red or White for Norway would make more sense.

And many of the names is just wierd, the city names are good but not the names of the lords and to some extend the trops. For exampel for the king you have but the king part behind the name. It should be infront of the name and it should be "Konung" or "Kung" not Konungr
"Konung Valdemar Birgersson" not "Valdemar Birgersson Konungr"

And many of the other names have things like " ð" in them. it just make it look wierd tbh, as for the Sweden faction there is "å,ä,ö" that is added over the english alpabeth

Another smal thing is that you reqruit "huskarl" but it should be "huskarlar" sense the game have unit names in plural form.


If you send a list of all the names and unit names i'm more than happy to read it through and give my input on it.

This is just some thing that is not game breaking but there would be nice details if they where fixed. And sorry if this alread has been taken up in the thread 21 pages is a bit to long for me to read through .

Mastermind 说:

Lajkos 说:

i do not know if this thing do not make sense.

yea a guy with a one man army will get pwnd to death. But if he joins a bigger army than it shouldn't be a problem, and he chase you down becaus he knows he will get back up. so imo it make sense.

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If you argument like this, it would be useful/should be possible to have a single scout running in front of your army all the time in order to catch enemies It's illogical, the single lord would be shot/ripped in pieces in a matter of seconds if he full charged into an army to "stop" them

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it's not an un-common tactic to trick the enemy to engage a small army just to get ownd by the main bulk of the army later.

i do not say that one man should engage an army and fight them an h until the rest of the army arrives. i say that if you add a many small number of men you will end up with a big army.

and as i said be4, you prepare for the batlle, that takes a wile, and it is this time that the game count in, if the other armys arrive to help or not. when the battle starts you will have the big army to face off against the enemy even if you attacked a small army at first. you do not rush forward at the first enemy u see u need tactics, even if you order you army to rush in to battle you need time to figuer out what tactic you should use

i do not know if this thing do not make sense.

yea a guy with a one man army will get pwnd to death. But if he joins a bigger army than it shouldn't be a problem, and he chase you down becaus he knows he will get back up. so imo it make sense.

you do now that irl you wouldn't be able to start the battle as fast as in the game right? it goes a lot of preperations be4 you go to the battlefield.

it is not a bug it works as intended if there are other lords close to the one you engage they will join his side.

ok thx for the help all

Deofuta 说:

How is it going all?

Its day 99, and I have finally decided to branch off from my Rhodok Vassalage and create the New Rhodokian Empire (fo'life!). But I have a question that did not seem to be covered by the helpful single player manual. When I was a vassal I received a weekly income for my various fiefs, but now I notice that although I own 4 villages(non of which are looted) I do not receive anything from them. I have given them out to my various lordly companions, is this what has led to my problem?

Money is not very much of an issue...yet, but I can see it becoming one in the future if I am to keep my Empire running smoothly.

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you only get money for feifs that you own.

basiclly irl when get a lord to join u, u give the lord a pice of land in echange for his army and his army only you do not get money from him and the money from his feifs goes to him and him only. the same thing is in M&B

chaos effect 说:

Phatose 说:

I don't think you understand the purpose of the dowry.  You *never* get that.  The purpose of the dowry is to ensure the lady is sure to be provided for if you die or are a poor husband.  Once she's married, she'll never be married again, so her father insists she get a large nest egg in case you turn out to be a major jerk.

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A dowry is the money paid to the husband from the wife's family, while a dower is what I had to pay in order to marry her. In game it showed the relation as me having to pay 15,000 as a dower and then it claimed they would offer about 10,000 as a dowry.

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That also go to her nest egg. just as Phatose said it's for the wife if you die or cant support her

i also wonder this, haven't starded a own kingdom yet. like the nords to much