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Fair enough. As a really old fart, I sometimes overlook it thinking ... kids.

SudianX 说:

I assumed hitting F6 would allow me to control everything like in Warband... but no, I don't think so. Apparently I am not to be trusted to give commands during sieges

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I've decided F6 is to just make sure any troops under your command go with the AI as opposed to having fancy ideas of their own. Or for being lazy when solo.

If I have most of the troops and am fine if the AI looses all theirs in a win, I won't F6. If I know the AI is going to slaughter themselves, I may not F6 to save a few. Otherwise it just makes sure your lot stay in formation.

It is very useful to me on caravan defense missions. If all the caravan AI troops die that is an auto fail. Even if it doesn't make the best use of the troops or terrain, using F6 then makes sure at least there should be enough of my guys standing in the same (possibly bone-headed, its random) spot. So hopefully some or all of them survive.

Current use of horse archers by AI in field engagements, where the AI has few of them is driving me batty however.

Sad, no one has tried to answer. I'm not the best player, and play on test, but I'll share what I do know.

1 - They need to be in command of the formation for Captain bonuses. If a Party Leader has traits labelled Army Commander they should also apply. When other party leader bonuses overlap ... I'm not sure and it may be changing on test (where my games are right now).
2 - No clue, but I would suspect no.
3 - I am unsure if a specific command (say Hold Position) makes it more likely they'd brace and charge less likely. That would make sense but I have not seen it. I'm not seeing bracing behavior on test at all right now. Looters used to try and brace against horses on live, but I don't see this at all on test with one exception. Foot arena AI combatants will sometimes use a spear effectively against a mounted opponent. So it may be looter specific AI changes, but I am unsure.
4 - Not seen bracing (again) but archers switch to a melee weapon in close range. And mounted troops will switch from a long weapon to a melee weapon when they are also engaged in close combat on horse. I have even seen companions swap between sword and board and two-handers when in hideouts. Couching lances on test seems working again in a cavalry charge.
5 - I think they all can eventually show.
6 - Let us know if you find one first!

Right, but test is for feedback usually. So I give feedback as a test player. Noting if the feedback is for modded (and what) and unmodded is important.

Status of known bugs is found in that forum area, but you have to search for the issue yourself. Which is normal enough.

However the feedback on setting expectations is valid. I know the "chatter-verse" on gaming is going on about BG3 (and I have been a test player pre-release on the very early titles from that studio too btw). But I feel they are different enough games architecturally that the comparisons here are meaningless.

I would love to see something out of Taleworlds like Coffee Stain Studios (Satisfactory) does.

Having been playing the test branch exclusively, I support a hotfix. Still some balance things and a couple of bugs. The sort of ones where I throw my hands up and go, this run must be abandoned. Not that they are unplayable crash bugs mind you, but some interrupt character plans enough is is better to retry and hope you don't get the issue or to develop a character of a different type for more fun.

The best way to raise medicine for the player, on test, is to get badly injured yourself (hideouts and trying to take over alleys is key) and then rest yourself back to health. Do the opposite of the perk on the rest for max healing "ticks". So if you chose to heal when moving on map perk, rest in a settlement. If you chose the perk for more healing when resting, heal while moving. This is awkward. It is harder to level organically through battle, and even worse to level on a companion medic than on live. It was never easy to level now is a mess. My test character was a Battanian that started with highest healing and INT that was possible and rapidly invested in it. Levelling it on a fighter focused build where you are low int and low perk just to get the starting perks for your build will be excruciating.

Alley takeovers are bugged again. I'm not sure of the trigger, and there is an open ticket in progress. I have a proper candidate companion (high roguery, one "bad" trait, autogenerated "the Robber" empire). But, when I win an alley fight the option to take it over is always unselectable. I have tried being a merc, being totally freelance, when merc in my factions, not in my faction. And yes, I have run alleys before, so I know the drill. If I find the trigger I'll post in the existing (not mine) bug thread.

Running a workshop is still obscure enough it doesn't feel either fun to micromanage or useful to "fire and forget". Warehouses are a cool concept, but how the economy "settles" after the game is played a while leads to much overproduction by the AI. So the economy seems to eventually trash itself. That has bigger implications to runs, esp if running unmodded.

The new battle AI also offers new plusses, but still seems off where it won't respond to rear or flanking attacks at all (again documented well, not by me). The balance between hold formation and defend yourself still feels like it needs tweaking. Spears feel better after last mini-patch though.

mongoid 说:

Working as intended. The T in Taleworlds stands for Tedium.

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I don't find this and the other reply helpful. I suspect it is an unintended consequence of other game changes. And I actually like most of the other changes. Feedback on the test branch is the goal of the branch. I was also curious if others had seen it. I think this thread may not be the right place for this feedback?

Perhaps I should submit it as a "bug"?

... even though as a (retired, non-game) developer, I would not call this a "bug".

Anyone else notice on the test branch that early game medicine levels much slower than before?

I don't think it is a bug, it does level. I suspect that AI being more defensive means the troops get less injured. So, you get less medicine experience. This is in the vs bandits and very small party stage. Then you get to sieges, and the siege weapons now outright kill, one shot, so again .. less medicine experience. It just feels more annoying to level that skill with a new character on test than on live.

Oh please! I have arthritis ... this mechanic is just mean.

Right. And building the hearths in the associated villages is a help. That goes back to the babysitting. You (with your main party) need to be there to solve the issues. I did try that for a while in my existing save to see how much it helped, but the needs were constant (even with that town at peace). And if I'm a trader I need to be on the road, since I can't raise my main character's trade skill while babysitting villages. So it is conflicting. This can't be solved with your second party, as they can not be directed. And if I am playing as a trader, it is also to my benefit to not involve myself in the feuds of the land.

Perhaps design is that you don't buy a workshop until you have "settled"? There is no mechanic to indicate this (like: can't buy if not vassal, need X trade skill to buy, need X relationship with local lord, or local notable). Clan tier isn't a good gate, as if playing as a trader you may get a higher clan without being allied or having "settled".

My issues are with the design, as this is clear as mud, and as I have explained, the tasks that game mechanics push you toward in a trading run are counter-intuitive or not helpful when combined current workshop direction on test. I have such high hopes for warehouses too!

I'm wondering if some of this can be save specific. As in, the assignment of workshops to towns, is randomized (I did check for nearby competitors ofc). And then after that (AI) caravan setup and routes are randomized. That would be save specific. So which goods congest, and where, will be very save specific. It may work out in the later game, or not. This save isn't into what I'd call late game economics.

Prosperity and foot traffic feature heavily. But, so do wars. I think something is still off, perhaps in the larger balance of goods (and again, my perspective is map wide trading runs sampling all trade goods in the years just after prices should have settled). The AI choices on when to make war, how long, for what and when to sue for peace have been tweaked. This also is causing changes to demand.

So here is what I can suss out in my save after more testing, in general economic balance. With less wars, overall food prices start high (as all prices do), then settle, then generally start crashing map wide. Spot profits can be made, but more spot-based than before. Grain seems to crash first (great news for breweries?), since it is more map wide, but eventually the others do too. Luxury demand seems in line with past saves (wine, beer, linen, jewelry, etc). Other "gear" shops lack sufficient consumers. With "equipable gear", the prices seem set, so that isn't noticeable, but demand seems lacking. Wool workshops produce no output (verified by sending 100% to warehouse). However, the price of tools also crashes quickly after the economy stabilizes.

My feedback though that sorting this out isn't "fun" stands. I play random rolled characters for the fun of just a different life path. My 1.2.3 save is a no smithing trader. I'm not here to paint the map. The information is just too obfuscated in the UI (the why) even though the what is nicer. I do like the UI changes, this is gameplay. And with no control over your own caravan routes, or your second party it feels like the player lacks agency unless they are 100% babysitting that town and workshop. Warehouses do seem helpful here. It works, but again, my issue is "fun". And I usually like this type of run, and from prior runs I have a feel of how prices usually settle out once the "burn in" period is over.

However, I think there are other economy changes in 1.2.3 that need to bubble through perhaps a few saves. Have you checked overall map wide prices?

I think one of the issues (besides wool being broken on this build) is that the economy seems to be settling more slowly than it did in prior patches. I notice it in the prices as I'm going all over trading. 1.2.0 was not too bad, I had profitable workshops. My current 1.2.3 I'm seeing this though. Did you start a brand new save on 1.2.3 or load a prior save into 1.2.3?

Dabos37 说:

Workshops are not that bad, and it is still possible to get 300-500 daily gold from them without the player’s help. They do not worth in early game though, and you are going to mostly get money from them in towns with high prosperity and high demand (there are more variables though).

Maybe giving the player more visibility about how much the workshop is going to give before buying it could help. Something like in Warband where you could get a estimation about the workshop production before buying it.

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Are you referring to current live (where I agree), or current test? My feedback is specific to the test branch.

I am also playing the beta, and have noticed this. My perspective is as a more casual player. It isn't fun. It isn't obvious. The concept of a warehouse is kinda neat though.

I was able to get, on the very first beta patch iteration, one profitable workshop. But I owned that town; I was at it frequently, and more importantly it was geographically a heavy traffic town. So, the goods moved.

This recent save, started on the recent patch, I cannot get a workshop to not stop producing within 2 days. The town is good prosperity, has no nearby competitor workshops, and had two tied villages where the workshop for that item was not in use! So, wool in an Aserai town, 2 days with plenty of wool in the warehouse and it shut down. I even had my own caravan running out of the town. Goods didn't move. But you have no control over your caravan anyway. So, fine, I tried the other good that had tied input and no workshop, paid my change over fee. Dropped items in warehouse. I think it lasted 4 days.

It isn't just that is doesn't make money. Its not fun and its not obvious or intuitive. This is at a time in the save where my clan is mid tier 3 and as yet not affiliated (merc or vassal). I have only my party reliably, I CAN"T babysit a workshop. Ironically, the more so because I am raising trading to fund my clan. I have to be out there ... trading. But insert whatever else, and I need to be out there doing that at this stage. So regardless, semi-unattended is the only way it is feasible at this stage. I can't even get across the map fast enough to buy the outputs before it shuts down.

So what do I do? Match resources, did that. Have a caravan run out of the town, did that. And it doesn't work at all like you think it will intuitively. Give it more resources even though it has plenty, did that. Buy its output, can't do it fast enough, and would not be fun. Have it dump all output to warehouse and hope it works long enough I can get across the map? Maybe? Not intuitive, doesn't sound fun. And I play factory games for fun! Perhaps I am not supposed to have a workshop yet? That isn't intuitive. And as I have explained at the start of expanding in mid tier 3 clan stage, levelling main character trading gameplay needs are counter to babysitting workshop needs. Which is outright counter-intuitive.

Other things that you'd think might help (that I know won't): Having good relationship with town, having good relationship with other notables running caravans out of that town or nearby.

The when? what? where? and how? of workshops are even less clear on test right now that they are on live. They still weren't very intuitive on live, but I could at least get one mildly profitable before.

tl;dr I have had profitable workshops on the live branch. But either something here isn't working as intended, or it is, and it isn't fun or intuitive for casual players. I'm not even talking running a profit, I'm talking avoiding outright closure withing days. Unmodded, fresh start on test branch.

swally0ne 说:

the problem iam having with speared units (hybrids like oathsworn or avi) that they never pick the spears in a shieldwall whatsoever. if a cav is charging in, most of the speared units are using their swords.

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And conversely they use the spears in melee with other foot troops instead of the shorter weapon.

Count_Morfetico 说:

There's also another issue that happened to me several times...
It's with melee infantry, when they stand in shieldwall (or so I think it is) forever... you take down the archers, cavalry and they stand there like forever.. I can ride in front of them (or in the back) literally killing one by one and they barely attack, they just hold ground and stay.

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I had a battle where archers did this. I was doing test battles in the tool (no mods) and just F6ing to observe unit AI.

The archers lined up behind the infantry but not parallel to them, but perpendicular at a right angle behind them. They fired when cavalry skirmished, but then just stood their ground as the whole battle moved forward and away from them. Eventually the fight was half the map away as the other lines advanced, and they were all just standing there barely in sight much less bow reach.

Eventually I manually commanded them into the fight. Mainly since this run was Battanian and having all your archers, esp some fians just standing in a perpendicular line out of sight saying "No we're tired you all fight" is not going to work with that faction! And no forest cover, it was a dester open map. So I can't see any terrain trigger either.

Anyone notice a return to poor performance for spears? At first I thought it was just the blunt conversion in arenas. But then I ran a bunch of test fights and they perform very very poorly with foot troops. They seem OK mounted due to, I'm guessing, the speed bonus. I'm excluding couched behavior, that is strong. On foot troops they fare so-so as a counter for cavalry. But a foot troop with a spear attacking anything other than a charging horse is going to do effectively no damage.

Also seeing it potentially after every battle. Also if I send one companion out to handle a quest.

However, if I "Send Troops" and do NOT go into the battle screen it does not seem to happen. Reliably does not bug. I've been fiddling with tactics changes ... but hopefully this data point helps narrow it down.

Also came to report the bug. I don't often smith on the player character, so just hit it today. FWIW for others, using a companion with smithing to handle the quest resolves. But if you make the mistake of taking it yourself ... still broken.

Ah glad I saw this, was about to report it. Now training my criminally-minded companions in stewardship so he can go run a third party for this run.

Then it is indeed a feature and not a bug.