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Im confused, are these changes live now or not?

Christ do you people get off from beeing negative nancies or something?

Philozoraptor 说:

No they tried to do something with breaking the second gate once the first one is broken by the ram. It did not work for them but they managed to break our fix for this problem so we had to recode it. So they definitelly tweaked something on the siege map or in the AI on the engine level. Also recently cavlary AI was changed (in SP) without patchnote. Before cavalry was charging in unorganized manner, now they are trying to regroup before each charge which have some advantage and some disadvantage, but I think it is change in right direction, only problem is that it was not mentioned in patchnotes and we found it by accident.

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Oh damn, it wasent just me then? I noticed this as well but since I dident notice anything on the patch notes I just scratched it up to be my inmagination

Ah that sounds nice. Is there a list somewhere where we can see whats supposed to be in the next coming patch?

I wouldnt call the reactions to a dev responding, neutral.... They were passive agressive at best. Often mocking and otherwise jabbing jokes at the devs expenses. I get that people want more communication. But every time they get it they lash out.

The last hotfix that reduced MP freezes (or should, dident get a chance to test it yet) was mocked in the ground when it came out. Neutral reaction my ass. Some people actually acted offended that it came out and only fixed MP screen freezes....

People on these forums seem very unaware about how toxic they come across. Or they dont care, which is also possible; but then dont be suprised when communication crawls down to a halt.

I dont really get why spear bracing isent in single player already. It would make pikes a great deal more dangerous to approach for cav if nothing else...

Its normal that initially they make alot of progress as bugs, crashes and whatnot are fixed so that the game becomes more stable and they then focus on adding content.

What im not sure is normal is that the game has gone backwards in some areas. Like AI and stability, I think its safe to say that after a year they should be passed that phase by now. Then again im not a software developer so my layman's vieuw on it has no actual grasp of how difficult it is but I dont think its normal in the industry for this 'stage' of development to take this long...

Im wondering, was yesterdays hotfix a fix to this problem?

All weapons like the menavliation, glaives, etc are over the top. Adress them rather then the class tbh. If a 2 handed polearm is a 'slashing' spear it shouldnt be the length of a pike.... Or if you want a 2 handed with that length thats fine, but remove the slashing ability. Every weapon that has both this insane reach and slashing ability is broken with the current game mechanics.

That said the class has no armor, no shield so taking them out at a distance is a viable option. You already run a risk playing this class that you will be taken out at a distance before you even reach melee. While the class is fast, it cant dodge everything, specially not if the ranged player is any good.

The 2nd perk is abit inconsitant.
Extra javelins: Instead of 3 javelins that do 40 damage each you get 6 javelins that do 40 damage each.
Throwing spear: Instead of 3 Javelins that do 40 damage each you get 3 javelins that do 40 damage each and a single throwing spear that does 105 damage when thrown or can be used in melee.
Stronger javelins: instead of 3 javelins that do 40 damage each you get 3 javelins that do 51 damage each.

Both extra javelin and throwing spear perk give you something alongside your 3 javelins that do 40 damage. Stronger javelins outright replaces them with a better option but doesent give anything else aside from that. So while they individually do more damage, you are losing out on potential damage. Extra javelins gives you 6 projectiles and throwing spear perk gives you 4. Stronger javelins keeps you at 3. Seeing as you can miss your projectiles just getting 3 that do a little bit more damage doesent to be worth it imho.

Is this inentional? The rest of the class is quite good, a short sword and a shield that can be influenced with the 1st perk slot but I think its abit weird how the perks are handled. This class is quite well armoured compared to other skirmishers and they dont seem to sacrifice anything for that.

Ulfkarl 说:

they get destroyed by anything, their mace has too low damage it does like 20 damage to other heavy infantry, while oaths have better maces and better armor, khuzait spear infantry has super OP maces that 2 shot sergeants, varyags have super one handed axes with 90 DAMAGE, legionaries have a super axe too, combined with improved armor its very usefull against many troops. Sergeants have nothing special, bad mace, bad sword, bad bastard sword that can't be combined with improved armor, they are just not viable in any scenario.

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Ive gotten some succes with the mace but its indeed very apparant that other classes have better maces as options. The bastard sword is nice if you want to duel or take out people with 2 handers and dont want to lose the shield. The extra armor perk can make you abit more tanky to 1 handed attack and the 1 handed sword you still get is very good compared to what the other HA classes get.

That said the 2nd perk slot is always the spear for me. Compared to what that gives me its an autopick as the rest dont really add anything of value...

Am I the only one who think its kinda weird that the class called the Voulger needs to take heavy armor in its first slot to even get acces to that weapon?

Also the 2 handed sword seems off to me but cant think off a nice alternative for it. Seeing as the standard weapon is the Voulger id take extra armor if I want to have a 2 hander in this class. It does more damage then the Noble great sword and while the great sword is faster (and a different weapon type) it feels kinda off on a class named after its Weapon

Mushbeast 说:

Once again reminder to fix this silly ole class. Empire are already pretty strong without them, and just about everyone agrees how ridiculous these things are.

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I think its kinda hard to 'fix' though as its their weapon (and glaives and other comparable weapons in general) that are the problem.

Aside from having a good main arnament they have little to no armor and no shield option. They die to anything ranged that hits them. Or heck, anything that hits them with those whole 7 points of armor

Their 2nd options (and ranged options) are also hilarious. A whole 27 damage with the light javelins or a single Pilum (does do nice damage, but 1 a shot wonder) or 1 handed sword for their 2nd weapon slot.

As is people are sacrificing alot to have that good weapon so what would be your suggestion to fix it?

Il add my voice to the people asking for the long Spatha. Compared to other factions you lack both speed and reach which that 1 weapon swap would solve.

That and the fact that the Legionary has no Pila would be my only complaints about the class though. The Pila is kind of the staple of Imperial infantry (at least in single player) so im not really getting why its missing?

So while I wouldnt call the weapon options OP, the 1st perk slot is abit... weird.

You can:
Replace your 3 javelins that do 40 damage for 6 javelins that do 40 damage.
Replace your 3 javelins that do 40 damage with 3 javelins that do 50 damage.
Replace your 3 javelins that do 40 damage with 3 Javelins that do 40 damage and a Pila that does 113 damage and can be used in melee.

Essentialy, aside from the 'better javelins' scenario you always have 3 javelins that do 40 damage and you get something ontop of that. The better Javelin perk replaces them though and does nothing else ontop of that.

While the Pila can be used in melee as a spear its kinda on the short end of the spectrum for a spear and once you throw it, its gone. Id suggest replacing it with a normal spear perk that replaces the javelins, not is taken alongside the javelins. Maybe the Western short spear or western long spear? Although the Legionary also has the western long spear as an option so id lean towards the western short spear.

Maybe also give the better javelins perk a little damage boost, maybe turn them into jareeds? Because if I can choose for 6 at 40 or 3 at 50 taking the less but higher damage options is generally almost never worth it. Jareeds do 55 damage which is a nice damage boost compared to 40 and could be worth it given that the damage is a fair bit higher.

drontrixsepta 说:

Bring pila back and remove it from recruit, give recruit heavier armor perk instead, simple as
All heavy infantry should also have unique, unavailable to other classes weapons, simple spatha should be upgraded to smh like spathion from SP with better stats

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Sorry for double post but just read your post. Reading that about the pila actually made me double back and look at the option. Pila on recruit indeed. What the heck? Its also not replacing anything.... I reckon they could best have the left hand perks be tied to throwing weapons but not giving you 1 set of javelins alongside that. It seems a little bit like an anomaly to me. You can take extra for 6, better for 3 ones with better javelins (but replacing the original set) or take 3 javelins AND a Pila.... Other 2 options are basicly 'in addition of' 1 set of javelins. The better javelins are the only one that actually outright replace something here.

Maybe they should replace the Pila option with a spear (which its currently lacking from the class atm) but make it so that you cant have 2 different forms of throwing weapons because thats just weird. So your options would be 6 throwing weapons, a spear or 3 better throwing weapons. It would leave the class still better armed then other 'peasant' classes but that in itself isent to OP imo.
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btw wouldnt these things be better posted in the 'classes' section here or is posting it here also fine?

I like playing as legionary and I pretty much agree on the Spatha. I wouldnt call it garbage or something but its not exactly good either. I think the biggest problem is that both the Vlandian sergeant and the Batannian Oathsworn have weapons that are at least 15 units longer. Both are also faster and damage is all roughly the same. But more length and better speed gives the Legionary overall a disadvantage.

That said against those classes I generally try to have a mace on me, but I generally play Skirmish where the teams are smaller. So seeing what classes you are facing is easier. In sieges or captain mode I dont see that weapon choice to be so easily made and you have to weight your options more.

I like the bastard sword though as it gives me a 2 hander option. Against shock infantry with 2 handers I find 1 hander with shields are to slow and geneerally only results in me unequipping my shield for speed boost so having a 2 hander on you can be a good option in those cases. But both are in the 1st slot so you cant do both that and counter HA. Against HA the bastard sword is just not that good.

What I mostly miss though is the Pila. Even though you only get one, its basicly the staple of the Legionary. Why is it missing?

No im talking about how you are talking in a very hostile manner and then saying that you arent hostile...

THAT comes across as troll behaviour.

Mr_Shestak 说:

Please, prove me, where I have HOSTILE attitude.

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You are either very unaware of how your own use of words and connotations have on people.... or you are a troll. Im not sure which of the 2 it is honestly.

Very happy the lagginess is apparently fixed! I cant play today but il give it a go tomorrow