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My usual disclaimer: There is no one way to play, but all my advice is based on how I play.

1) Even with surgery at 8+2 I take tons of losses...
I consider surgery 10+4 an absolute must. With qualis gems, there is little reason not to. I develop my character into a moderate fighter, then pump INT while drinking elixirs to finish off my fighting stats.

2) Standard tactics whicn normally win me the game...
I don't know what you consider top tier. My top tier is Silvermist Rangers with 70k invested in their upgrades. Most of your fielded army should be ranged, including your infantry line - strong shields and thrown for them, I use CKO for this (board shield, curved axe, and javelins). Even elite units should melt when charging you. There is always room to get better - some micro management is needed in most battles.

3) Seiges - 1,500 to 1,800 armies beseiging my poor little 400 garrison castles...
Don't defend castles. While the enemy is marshalled against one of your castles, take two of theirs. Chances are they will break siege to attack you, but they'll be too late. Engineering 10+4 is good for this, virtually instant ladder sieges (~3 hours), and minor delay for towers (~6 game hours).

4) Very stupid realm AI, very clever enemy AI...
I don't know much about marshal AI - be the king, be the marshal.

5) When being seiged, the best troops do not spawn first...
Again, with few exceptions, you shouldn't defend fiefs. Unless you happen upon a battle already in progress (they are actively attacking, not waiting), and it's a sure thing. Attack faster and harder than your enemy.

It took me a long time to learn that I don't have to upgrade each unit as soon as possible.

Has there been any discussion on allowing the player to induct troops into KHO without being the chapter owner? Maybe this is an intentional restriction to keep player from becoming OP? - but I do find myself wishing I could induct my troops into chapters owned by my own vassals once I'm king.

I am not sure if this is a Vanilla or PoP question: Can I get a run down on Tab key behavior in battle? I've been playing for a long time, so I have a decent "sense" of what will happen in a battle, but I am still unpleasantly surprised sometimes.

Sometimes Tab will let me restart a new battle wave from scratch with no net penalty to morale  (larger positive than negative). Sometimes it says I retreat, and I lose troops. Sometimes I'm knocked out and it lets me order my troops to fight again with or without me. Sometimes when knocked out I'm just taken prisoner. Sometimes I have the option to "Leave" the battle - sometimes I'm locked in a fight to the end.

As a followup, in sieges it seems that sometimes Tab will let me start a new wave immediately (or just order troops to continue without me), but sometimes I have to restart the siege, which is very painful on siege tower scenes.

In 3.9, I've had several occasions of getting elite troops appear in my party from nowhere. I know that companions can give troops, but this was early in the game long before I have a kingdom of my own (does that matter?) and I am somewhat sure that I didn't ask for them. They include Noldor (Leth was in my party) and various other KHO class troops.

Bug or feature?

Brew 说:

95% is most pain I can endure, realistic save is too horid to even contemplate
The mod got more difficult with the change in reinforcement waves

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It's not everybody's cup of tea, but it's really not prohibitive from a gameplay perspective (not counting the risk of save game corruption). It makes you think more about battles. You're less reckless in field - often times you take a bad hit and then retreat behind your line or chase down flankers. You retreat sometimes, which is OK. You screw up and hit the Dread Legion, meaning you can try to fight a wave and retreat, but more likely just leave some troops behind. With respectable Tactics, you can pull that off without too much pain, but sometimes it hurts - losing a good chunk of your army. But lesson learned! And armies can be rebuilt without too much fanfare. And victory is SO much more satisfying.

Without save scumming (not that everybody does), you do lose out on most or all of the Noldor Tournament rewards. In any given game, I will win fewer than 3 tournaments. There are too many combat rounds that land you in just a stupid position with victory impossible. I'll go toe-to-toe with any single Noldor with any weapon, but I can't go against 5 after my team derps themselves to death. The worst part about Realistic for me by far is the off chance you screw up and get captured... and having to track down companions again (a game feature I think should be changed). And prison breaks / town sneaking are virtually off limits.

Pacific_Salmon 说:

@Daeghen, I pretty much do the same as you.

I find the last part of the game very tedious.

Edit:  The only thing I don't do is play on "realistic". The reason is I had a game become corrupted on me and with only 1 save.... you are SOL.

I just play on default but don't save scum. In the past the temptation was too great not to save scum but I have become quite disciplined as I got older (in my mid 30's now) and no more save-scumming

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Yeah, that's the reason I hear most, which is completely valid. Somehow I've been blessed to have never gotten a corrupt game. I also have very poor willpower, so the temptation to run around the map on warp speed would likely end up with me reloading "because I never would have run into the Dread Legion if I were paying attention".

Full damage and good AI. Battle size limits difficulty due to old hardware. IIRC my difficulty ends up around 105-110%. I play exclusively on Realistic, which brings me a lot of satisfaction even though I know it's not a popular game mode on these forums.

While I have never "beaten" the game, I take most of my games to a point where victory is inevitable - half the map under my rule,  immortal band of knights, unique lords with huge stacks of death, etc. At this point I've usually played the game for a couple or several weeks straight, and the "mop up" stage turns rapidly into tedium. I'll set it down for a bit, it'll grow stale, half a year later a new version of PoP is released and I'll start over fresh and pretty much do the exact same thing over again.

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MitchyMatt 说:

Enjoy that while it lasts

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Are you guys disabling the "Quit without saving" option in the next release?

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I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper, and I know people play how they want, but I strongly recommend folks play Realistic. This is a game that provides multiple outlets for dealing with misfortune. Sacrificing troops when overwhelmed, taking a personality hit from a frenemy when you get caught by a marshalled army. It really adds an element of exhilaration and decision-making to the game when there are actual stakes to your actions. It makes you a better player, and adds so much more satisfaction to positive outcomes.

k0nr@d 说:

In Pendor AI will look for quality (auto resolve numbers based on unit stats, skills, prof, equipment) not quantity. From AI POV e.g. 1x Legionnaire = 10 Recruits (roughly).

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Is that formula available? It would be fun to run through some scenarios from the troop data.

My ideal garrison is whatever the steward auto-recruits from surrounding villages.

For me, it's too expensive in both coin and time to worry about garrisons. I tend to keep one town plus as many castles as different knighthood orders I plan on using, which is typically two (Silvermist and CKO). I'll take Valorshield and Whitestag out in the noldor woods to house my orders. They will organically garrison themselves, and I'll throw in some rabble here and there, plus they stock up on knights for free.

Then I take Laria and *never* defend it. Laria is a ladder battle, and a very easy one at that. With zero to low garrison numbers, it's a magnet to the AI. They are so busy prioritizing Laria (free town!) that my other castles and towns very rarely get attacked. I just let them have Laria, then curb stomp the token 50-100 rabble troops after a brisk 1-2 game hour siege with often 0 losses. Bonus that weak and recovering lords will often hang out there, provide negligible support in defense, and make for easy capture/ransoms.

If I have an unfortunate peace time and Laria builds it's garrison up, I will transfer troops over to my order castles to make sure it's always a target.

Leonion 说:

Isn't minimap already in PoP?

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The black square is probably some bug on my end, but the rest looks like a minimap.

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Wait, what? I can only access the minimap through the Backspace menu. Is this a setting I've been overlooking?

What kind of battle sizes are you people playing with that tactics isn't important? Mine is 150, and with 10+4 Tactics I routinely have a significant advantage. I will usually be even matched with enemies that are over twice my troop count. As they whittle down closer to my troop count, I commonly see spreads of Me:85 to Them:65 or better. That is a huge bonus in a single round of combat. It's the difference between annihilating a charging force with 0 casualties to engaging in pitched combat in which you might have several casualties per round, which becomes difficult to sustain in war.

I consider Surgery and Tactics as must-have player skills maxed at 10+4. These are what allow you to field an elite force of 100-150 and trounce enemies 2, 3, even 4x your size with negligible losses. That is key for any win strategy, especially in the early days of your kingdom when marshaling forces and throwing money+troops at a problem isn't really a thing.

Pathfinding is a close third, and I take it for all my runs, but I stop just short of calling it essential. Engineering is of similar value, but I almost always let Ansen take it since 10 to 10+2 is more than good enough to rapidly take castles.

My builds are virtually always:

• PC takes Surgery, Tactics, and Pathfinding. Loadout is 1H, Shield, Bow, Arrows, and I carry a polearm in inventory even though I virtually never use it (will occasionally bring it out when fighting Demons).
• Ansen takes First Aid, Wound Treatment, and Spotting. I find Tracking to be unworthy of a skillpoint on any character. I first develop him to STR 12 and AGI 9 to be a crossbowman. I find the early investment in those combat skills allows him to rapidly surpass where he would be otherwise spending each point purely on INT first.

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Daeghen 说:

I normally marry Lady Sonadel of Sarleon because she's the daughter of Baron Godric, an early notable target for my kingdom. This run through I screwed up and got too high a RtR to declare for Sarleon, so I was stuck a bachelor until I could found Pendor.

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What do you mean with "too high a Right to Rule to declare for Sarleon"?
I probably lack knowledge about this mechanic, so please enlighten me.

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If you get too high a RtR prior to becoming a Lord for another faction, each King will see you as too ambitious and will refuse your offer of fealty.

I normally marry Lady Sonadel of Sarleon because she's the daughter of Baron Godric, an early notable target for my kingdom. This run through I screwed up and got too high a RtR to declare for Sarleon, so I was stuck a bachelor until I could found Pendor.

Fast forward, I've founded and stabilized Pendor. Baron Godric has sworn for me, and owns a castle where Lady Sonadel lives. Her relations with me is around 26, and she happily agreed to marry me. Godric happily gave his blessing. Now I repeatedly get notices that Godric is ready to begin the wedding feast. As soon as I get to the location (Kennet Castle IIRC), there is no feast and talking to Sonadel yields a quest completion for "visit your bride". Also FWIW, there are duplicate Sonadel NPCs in the castle. I've done this charade five times now before telling Godric that it's not going to happen and he should give my dowry back.

Any thoughts?

34 here. To be perfectly honest, I'm not proud of how much I play games. There was a time in my life where I spent most of my free time reading, practicing music, or doing outdoor activities. I miss that. But more often than not, once I get free time, I feel like I must squeeze game time in because it's the only time I have. It's very much an addiction, and I don't defend it to my wife as anything else.

That's me, though. I don't think that gaming is innately more appropriate for younger ages. I do think that it's very often dangerously habit forming for people of all ages. If you take an honest self-assessment and determine that your gaming habits are not negatively impacting your personal and family life, then I don't think age matters one bit. Otherwise, you and I should take steps to quit.

I'm dying for an update. Are we close to 3.9? I apologize for pestering, but such are the wages of excellent work.

I'm really surprised this is being debated.

The bottom line is, a skill point is a level. Arkon gives 6 levels, Janos gives 2 levels.

After the first three, Arkon is still forever a 3x return over Janos. As a previous poster said, (edit: Janos) is only good for people late in the game who oops'd by neglecting INT at level-ups and are now skill-poor with no or few level-ups to compensate.

Adventurers and Hero Adv are my bread and butter until I get a CKO trained up in force.

What is your Leadership? It seems like many people neglect Leadership since army size increases through renown anyway. However, the effect of Leadership on reducing troop wages can be impressive.