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Mr.X 说:

Pretty sure tactics and surgery are both party skills [...]

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Yep, so they are. My bad.

Mr.X 说:

Recruits just generally advance faster as they need less experience. I don't think they're place in the party list really matters. Obviously if they're high up and they die, they won't be upgrading any time soon, but I'm not sure it really is affected the opposite way. It could be though.

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That's true. I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that the position in the list affects the experience algorithm. I meant that if the recruits are among elites (huscarls in my case), they're a bit more protected and less likely to die, but also have a chance of scoring some hits themselves. Of course they might get chopped up or the huscarls dig in. I usually do this when I have enough elites. So if I have 20 huscarls and 10 recruits, I usually lose at most 1 recruit, and he may just get knocked unconscious because of high surgery. But of course it depends on who I'm up against, so I don't always do this. Against a party of mostly mid-tier Vaegir infantry for example but never in a siege.

Oh, Mr.X already posted. Also what he said

Well first off, you should pick your fights, especially when starting up. And of course you should level up on leader skills like surgery, leadership, and tactics, and keep morale in check. I may be biased in this as a cavalryman but I think being mounted yourself will help lead as you can move across the field faster and also thwart cavalry if need be, not to mention hit-and-run, at the least. You should also organize the party list in a smart way for when you're constrained to fewer units yourself because of higher enemy tactics. Placing higher tier first helps, but don't leave the weakest for last (this may vary though).

An obvious thing is to take advantage of terrain. For instance place your archers high and spread out between trees, especially if the enemy has cavalry. If you're up against a big cavalry, put all your units on the summit of the highest closest hill and try to divert the cavalry yourself (well, better have riding skills and do maneuvers). I almost always order infantry close together and may put them near archers if there is enemy cavalry. Also, as a slight "hack", you should back up your troops to the map edge to stop cavalry, with a wall of infantry in front, but close.

I found the cavalry to be kind of dim most times. If ordered to charge they will of course do just that and clash, most often becoming stuck between enemies. I either make them follow me and do sweeps of the enemy, or make them wait on some flank, preferably not very exposed and order them in once the enemy gets disorganized, if there's no enemy cavalry. If there is, it's cav vs cav.

If your party is mostly made up of recruits you can babysit them if you say you can handle it by yourself. Just make them keep position in a good place and try to do as much damage as possible by yourself, maybe leaving the weaker enemies alone. They will get some experience. Another thing I found works for me with infantry is to place recruits after elites in the party order list. That way it seems the recruits advance a bit faster since they're near the heat. Now I mainly played with Nord units but it should be generally viable.

As for tactics you really should try to be explicit with them. Sometimes I forget to order the infantry to advance so what happens is that they'd just stand while taking ranged hits. Or maybe you might want archers to hold fire until the enemy is in good range. I'm not sure of the threshold distance, but archers will start holding fire if your own infantry is in the way, so you might want to delay the infantry until your archers have their fun. You should also look at typical behavior of different factions and see what works. I also only use only a few of the available orders, since they seem to suffice, so I've memorized the hotkeys for quick ordering.

Of course, be very careful with assessing enemy strength and with timing. When you've got mostly recruits, wait until you have superiority in numbers before sending them in, especially with infantry, because when they meet it will just be good unit beats weak unit, then moves to next weak one and maybe gets a few hits in. Also you should keep in mind some paper-rock-scissor rules, as not sending cavalry against pikemen or light armored and/or unshielded infantry against a nest of crossbowmen (unless you've got elite troops and the enemy has weaker units). In armies, the AI will place elite units like sergeants  and marksmen among weaker units. Those should be your job if you have lower tier troops.

That's all I could think of at this hour. Be creative but treat you troops with care.

Actually I've seen something like this. Though I'm not sure if it's due to recruiting from conquered villages or from prisoners.

Úlfheðinn 说:

Unfortunately, it was a ban vote.

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I read something about ban polls being issued for players with high ping (such as myself at times - lousy Internet connection) on other servers. That might have been it. All's well anyway.

Hey. I just got banned from the server. To my knowledge I broke no rules. The only Einherjar I remember being present is Úlfheðinn so he might be aware of the ban. While I respect your decision (it is your server), I'd like to know the reason.

Remembered this older one

DameGreyWulf 说:

Except the one time my horse got shot in the head, but that wasn't an epic battle, just a hilarious happening.

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Along the same lines:


Now that's good headgear !

I've been playing Native since .750, so I've seen a lots of 'epic' battles. All I can remember now are:

1. Back when the game had Black Knights, I began hunting packs of them at a certain point. One time I managed to kill off a group of about 80 by myself. And they were mean bastards - kinda miss battles with them.

2. Some time ago I took on Sanjar Khan's ~300-manned army with about 90 soldiers, about 1/3 mercenary horsemen, the rest mid-tier infantrymen. The size and speed of the Khergit cavalry determined me to use a faster horse, which got killed at half battle. I was alone, surrounded by about 15 horse archers circling and shooting, another 10 veteran horse archers that also came in close for a sword and some lancers. Managed to get myself uphill, dodging, slashing, even jumping for a headchop. Got knocked down a couple of times. I don't even remember who I took down and got his horse. At that point my health was about 50%. A bit later that horse got killed as well - took another. All this to the 'Seikilos' album by Corvus Corax . Won the battle, but lost about 70 men.

3. Just the other day I held Grunwalder against 460 Swadians with only 64 soldiers (mostly Nord footmen, warriors, Huscarls and NPCs). The AI finally gave up when more than half them were slaughtered at the walls. At that point, I with two more Nord warriors were left standing, all three heavily wounded. Night siege too; just slashing at black shapes at the top of the ladder - pretty atmospheric.

Nice vid - morning workout, eh ? 

Liverknitter 说:

Swadian Knights are like Tiramisu for me.

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funny 

I'd rather use the word 'annoying' and those would be the Khergits, because of the spread-out and circling horse archers. More a waste of time than a challenge - usually ended up chasing after them until they used up arrows (slow horse). But as someone here already said they encouraged me to develop some skills: tactics (party layout), battle commands and also horse archery (though i use that extensively anyway). I found battles with the Khergits to be more dynamic than with other factions (still, maybe just my imagination). So they presented me with a challenge, which I enjoyed. Still wiped them out though.

Second annoyance are packs of Rhodock crossbowmen. Little hornet nests. When they're over 50, you need good horse armor, but you're slow.