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You have to talk to both imperial and non-imperial questgivers. Also, the settlement has to be the right type, for non imperial, you need a non-imperial city and vice versa for imperial. Also, you need 100 active men, it wont work if you have more and some are wounded or something

remorse 说:

I think something along the lines of Factorio's Friday Facts would be ideal for Bannerlord and Taleworld's general pace and style.

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I actually really like this idea and how the factorio devs present that information. Even if we only get a bit of information on new models or potential changes and a couple screenshots would be really cool to see

Duh_TaleWorlds 说:

As far as I know there have been a number of company statements on that matter. From the wording of your post, i would guesstimate your concern is with who does the banning...

There may be more recent statements as well, but my area is the singeplayer, so i am not sure.

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The issue was more about why the bans were banned in "good faith" in the first place and have yet to hear what steps have been done to prevent a false ban in the future, but regardless, I don't want to get into that here as the main point is it would be great if we could have a way to better communicate with you guys and limit useless hate and trolling. I would think most of us here, even those sometimes really angry and upset, want to see the game get even better and a bit more insight into the future plans and ways to have questions answered would be great. I am thankful many of you are willing to post in your free time but it seems like a community manager could maybe be a little more involved with the community forums

KSHMR 说:

@Duh_TaleWorlds

I must admit, I find it quite peculiar that none of you have the ''responsibility'' to communicate with the community during work time. It doesn't even have to be one FTE, it could be just a few hours a week. Anyways, I have mentioned this before so I won't use more energy on this matter haha

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Even just having a dev, or maybe not even a dev, just someone who can be up to date with internal status and direction that can take even just 15 minutes a day to peek through the forums and see what the community's most pressing issues are would be awesome. I get that a lot of posts are reposts and just inflammatory rage, but even having a couple of people who can shed some light on descisions would be awesome. When the developers and even moderators who have great information do share, it really does make the posts better. Maybe the answer to this would be to have a stickied post or even a seperate area to post direct questions and requests for information to make this process easier. Just kind of frustrating when we still have no answers on a situation like the CCP admins and we have no direct place to contact a developer and even have a chance to get an answer.

Orion 说:

Well, I don't want to derail the thread any further but it's better for everyone if they know how our policies work. For your first example, that's a grey area. It really depends on the nature of the information being sent. Personal information is obviously not allowed to be shared, and if the identity of the person/contents of the conversation can be readily inferred from what you post then it's not a good look.

If you claim someone gave you consent, we typically don't bother to vet it unless it's sensitive. If that user reports it, then we play it safe and delete the public post.

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Alright, that makes sense, just figured I should get the details clarified here so people won't try and break the rules. Hopefully everyone can relax a bit and give some time as there is clearly a lot of information out in this thread with a lot of it being repeated or getting argued over again and getting a bit off topic. I'll probably relax my posting on this thread until more information becomes available and if I see the conversation derailing I'll likely try and remind people to keep the post on the topic and issues related

Orion 说:

It's an invasion of privacy to post the contents of a private message in public without consent. It is absolutely against the rules of this forum to do so.

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Hey Orion, could I get some clarification on that rule? Say someone PM's someone on here and they share some information that was passed in the DM's withhoug posting the actual conversation and not mentioning who the DM was with, would that be breaking the rule?

Also, just to clarify, the rule about DMs states you cannot share the message in public without consent, does that mean you can claim someone sent you something and share it privately with others for proof?

Just wanna know how you guys interpret this for sure, as I may be in violation unknowingly earlier in the thread, since I shared a small detail between our DMs, but left it as purposefully vague as possible as to not draw attention away from what I was trying to talk about. Just curious in what situations this rule will apply. Thanks.

Ueki 说:

It is understandable that the Mods do not know the progress on things since they only manage the forum as Volunteer.

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Of course, I think most of us aren't upset that the mods can't give us the information we want, it seems pretty clear they do not have all the info, but a shame to see them so dismissive of our concerns. In the meantime I will give them the benefit of the doubt on this but am hoping they try and use their positions to try and get a bit of transparency as they have a more direct line of contact than we do to the developers.

Good detective work btw, just watched the videos and the second ban does seem to be legit, hopefully we can get some answers for him

Gunslinger1127 说:

Lets wait till they respond to mine I agree with some of your points, but I think I did mine better. and I don't want to see you warned for flaming. I might get muted for just mine from how I feel towards them right now.

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I would hope the mods wouldn't ban/warn me and realize I am not here to flame or troll anyone. I have also said repeatedly that I love the game and the community so my frustration does not come from a place of hate or anger, just wanting information. Hopefully this whole situation can be a point of growth between the playerbase and the devs/moderators regarding transparency and trustworthiness, I still have hope the dev's have the communities best interests in mind. Time will tell but each day that goes by with no clarification on the issue decreases the trust between the community and TW

IceNoVa 说:

You may want to reread the debate. I even stated specifically that there should be a proper response while explaining the neutral position Orion is trying to take, which is the ideal stance for moderation purposes. It does not necessarily reflect ones opinion, however I can say from personal experience that it is often the more beneficial not to fuel the flames when there is no fire brigade in sight.
There's been quite a few people wondering about some threads regarding this topic getting locked, and I remember that when this issue first popped up I had to lock two of them because the thing derailed into xenophobic and racist comments. We might even agree with some of the points people are adressing, but the main nature for our intervention is when those turn the nature of the debate to the worse.

Nobody said it was a non-issue, only that it is no use to shake your fist vigorously at the screen when you wait for the proper response like everyone else, moderators included.

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Again, continue to try and misrepresent my whole point here to make me look like some forum troll. You claim Orion has pointed out the facts yet he dismisses the whole point of the post:

"TW have admitted that the 10-year bans were a mistake. There is no point in using that as a point of argument anymore. "

The whole reason we are here is it may be still happening and we lack information.
Then, this:

"K, so you didn't read the statement Callum made in the first thread like this where he said all of those bans were reduced in length to days, not years. What do you want, a screenshot of their ban list? Statements are all you can hope to get, and you aren't entitled to those, either. The report system & vetting criteria are still being determined. Put your pitchfork away and just wait for answers with the rest of us. "

We are just supposed to be okay with wrongful bans because they were reduced to weeks AFTER the issue was pointed out?

Is this not dismissive? Was the mod that banned me from the steam forums for posting about this and told me I was spreading "baseless conspiracy theories" not dismissive? I get you want to be Mr. Neutral in this situation but the visual for TW is not great, with the mods seemingly trying to save face for the devs, and it seems like even you guys are left out of the loop, left here to calm the the upset mob while TW continues to seemingly ignore it.

EDIT: Gramatical errors

IceNoVa 说:

It is from a neutral perspective really not that important what your personal opinion is to any particular person. Orion pointed out the facts, but as you can possibly tell it's not exactly endorsing the approach. If you are discontent with the current situation, you really shouldn't be disgruntled when someone points out what that situation looks like. Must there be a proper response, sooner rather than later that prohibits faulty bans: No. Should there be one? Yes. Changing the system and clearing up on the reports takes up time though, since you really don't want to rush out a solution that isn't one. You can keep asking about it and in many things that's a fairly good idea, but don't take your expectations as the norm everyone needs to follow, it's almost certain your expectations won't be met one way or the other.
For now all of us can just sit and wait, and arguably a few days or even a few weeks are time spans that might be okay if the presented solution after that time is worth the wait.

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Treading a thin line having someone who represents a company telling the playerbase they don't care about their concerns. That'l for sure grow trust and sell products. I have said multiple times in this thread I am willing to give the devs time to make a response and create a plan, but I'm not gonna let mods act like this is a non issue when it clearly is

"I don't care what you think about TW." POINT TAKEN. I'm sure the dev's would love to agree with that statement...

JimmyCakes 说:

Someone contact PCGamer, we got a good scandal here, the CCP is the enemy of all (rational, non-communist) people.

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If it gets to that maybe, but I would rather prefer to see what the devs are able to come up with first, there is no reason to start a hate mob in the mainstream media when we are able to come here and interact with devs and mods to try and get answers. If they continuously refuse to give us clarification then feel free to do so, but I understand new systems do take time to create and implement, so I am okay with waiting for a legitimate response first before I go dev hating all over the internet. As I've said, I love this game and really am happy for the game updates the devs have been pushing out and thus I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for a bit in regards to updating us on the issue, but that does not mean I won't keep asking about it or want to see those plans ASAP

Orion quit trying to save face, its obvious they don;t have a ****ing system and that Callum's laughable response does nothing to prove TW trustworthy. That same "response" is the whole reason we are still talking about this bud. They promised changes and we haven't seen anything. I think its pretty laughable that you believe the devs don't owe us an explanation, to the playerbase that supports this damn game, the base that bought it in early access to support the devs, who have left us hanging, so in short, yes we are entitled to a ****ing response that details how they ****ed up and what they are doing to change tha, PERIOD.

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These pictures are from the post that Chinese players report improper remarks to the administrator of China Forum

These "players" with insulting IDs are usually at a low level and deliberately provoke trouble

Are these players here to play games? No, they just want to destroy the environment of the game. They disturb the Chinese players who really want to play the game. After angering them, they take the screenshots that are good for them and get this forum as evidence

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I can only count two separate players you have included here, again this post is not about specific players' behaviors, and either way, just provoking/trolling someone on a server should not be bannable unless they are using such overtly racist language. Funny how you post just two accounts doing wrong to seemingly justify the blanket banning of anything that makes chinese players unhappy. This type of toxicity is in every single online community, and being from China doesn't give a special shield to avoid it. I can point to anecdotes about chinese players calling me a fat american pig too many times to count, but I won't because it is not relevant to the actual issue here: TW's ban policies and "good faith" in power hungry moderators. In the cases you have shown, a simple chat restriction would solve the issues, unless players are intentionally killing their teammates or etc. Being banned for 10 years for calling someone a name in a video game is unacceptable and literally model's China's no tolerance policies. That is why we speak out.

Edit: Clarification, I now see at least three different names seeming racist in the pics above. Wanted to clarify so people understand I am not dismissing this man's points.

The 10 year ban is the whole point of the argument. Again the issue is of transparency and the same user who was banned before claims to have been banned again. I'm not saying every ban is illegitimate but its obvious TW has not provided any evidence other than statements. The 10+ year number is absolutely still relevant, in fact its pretty much the basis of the whole issue, the fact that the 10+ year bans were admitted to be a mistake yet we have no idea of plans to be implemented to fix that, or if they have already been implemented and we have no idea.

As one of the other moderators stated on the first page of this thread:

"We would like to apologize for any inconvenience caused in this issue. A handful of accounts were reported to us as posting links to cheats in Chinese. As we do not speak the language, we decided to temporarily issue bans while we were looking into the cases. In all cases, we have resolved the situation in less than a week and we have lifted all unwarranted bans. We have no bans for political speech and all decisions for bans are taken by TaleWorlds administrators after reviewing evidence."

The bans were handled in "good faith" as they do not understand Chinese, yet somehow after a fuss is raised they can understand the evidence and then the bans are just lifted or reduced? If they do not understand the evidence, no ban should be given until the team is 100% sure of the legitimacy of the reports. The problem is why they were given in the first place, especially for a ban related to "cheating" which appears to be a ban of 10 years. Sorry Orion, but you are wrong here, unless you have some information you have not shared yet and in that case I would love to know about it.

Jeez this post blew up overnight. I have skimmed through all of the comments and I figured I would clear up a few declarations made by others about my position. Currently as many of you stated, there is not a set of rules currently for multiplayer servers, this is a problem. Players do not know what the bans are for and what they can be banned for and for how long the ban will last.

Secondly, it is not racist to have the name "CCP Virus" or etc, nor is it racist to be a troll. Obviously overt racist messages could and should be bannable, but the issue currently is many of these reports are being given as "cheating" and the user is banned for extensive periods only to have access restored late, affecting their ability to play the game they have paid for. Arguably, until they release an actual set of rules and expected behaviors and implement a proper ban system, they should hold off on going ban crazy, especially if the previous bans had been given in "good faith" of the Chinese moderators reports, which again we can see are reported as cheating. Even trolling/provoking others should not be bannable unless the trolling involves purposefully losing games, overt racism, etc. And even in such cases where someone is just re-posting racist flag words, a chat ban should be the first step implemented. Sure, some of the players may actually be cheating but based on the information we have seen, and the lack of transparency involving bans on TW's servers, it is hard to believe all of the bans given so far are just.

About politics in this game, before any of this came up, I would have been happy just enjoying the game myself and would have never brought anything politically related to these forums. This is just something that raises concerns for me as an owner of the product. What if I take a vacation and wish to play bannerlord multiplayer overseas on my laptop and end up wrongfully banned for 10+ years from ALL multiplayer servers? Being right wing or left wing has absolutely nothing to do with this situation, and this is NOT an attempt to be racist or inflammatory towards anyone. This is just about wishing we can get some transparency on the ban system so we players can know what to expect.

The first step for TW would be to implement a multiplayer code of conduct, as well as a simple report function in which players make the reports and can tag up to a few reasons and include evidence. They should not be handing out such extensive bans to players who had no idea what rules TW expects, especially considering the game is still in early access.

Ultimately, I will continue to raise awareness about this issue until we can get some transparency on the matter, and the faster we can get TW to fix their multiplayer ban systems, the less likely it will be a problem in the future. I will say this again, I absolutely love this game and not playing it due to "bad faith" actions from the devs is the last thing I would want to happen. Hopefully everyone here regardless of what you think personally of the evidence can agree that more transparency and a new ban system would likely fix all of the issues everyone has brought up here. It can help limit toxicity of the chat (as some Chinese users here have said they personally have experienced) and help clear up the legitimacy of the bans being reported on the EA servers.

Caps 说:

didnt they stated already 10 times that the admins abused the power. But nothing except unbans happened to solve the issue, at least nothing ik of.

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I have been in contact with some mods and it seems like the dev Callum is away from home for personal reasons. The forum mods are also looking for answers and how to get more information also and they are hoping for some answers once Callum is back for work. Not a the perfect answer I was looking for but time will tell. Hopefully TW can be transparent about their new process and just ensure the playerbase that the devs have their best interests in mind.

Younes123 说:

If you have participated during the beta or alpha, you would know taleworlds has always been slow at communicating ANYTHING.

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Oh you bet I know that, that's why I want answers about this whole situation. Unless we keep being vocal, they may rather choose to do nothing