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BlackTide 说:

I was speaking from the prospective of being on the losing team.

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You were (are) expecting to be on the losing team? :O

An odd turn of phrase.

Duke Daniel Milutin 说:

Couldn't Nditions import some weapons from SP and make another standard armour? The current one is a bit borring.

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Wrong topic, this is the thread for a duel tournament, not the server to give feedback and make suggestions post here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,115439.0.html
Or: http://nditionsduel.forumotion.net/

Firstly while I'm glad you don't hold any malice or spite towards me I'm baffled as to why you felt the need to tell me...

Ah some citations, I have some for you as well:

Anne Fausto-Sterling: Myths of Gender
Rosalind C. Barnett: The Truth About Boys and Girls: How Gender Stereotypes Harm Our Children
Fine, Cordelia: Delusions of Gender ---- Realted article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/10/gender-gap-myth-cordelia-fine
(To read most of these you need a library, online or physical.)

I don't want to be too rude, but if you're going to provide sources you really do need to make sure they're valid and trustworthy. I can't accept your citations - for one thing the second site doesn't cite (Excuse the pun), also for the reasons and arguments present in my sources - it's still all pseudo-science

Also, you say I'm guilty of generalising, and you may well be correct (it's easy to do), if you make a claim like that you should give an example. This also goes for "it's a moot point" how so? Also which point, I made a few?
On to the hypothetical situations raised by yigg - Women are more likely to be fired due to sexism than men, of course some of the claims will be lies - but then it's really hard to prove, the employee can always make some nebulous claim about the quality of the ex-employees work - unless they've actually written "Fired that *****, because I hate women" it's hard to police. There are some cases of men successfully challenging sexist dismissals, it is a lot rarer though.

mfa_uk 说:

Ultimately we are both designed for different things, a mans hands are bigger meaning a bigger club, mens brains are hard wired for 3D situational awareness throwing rocks, spears etc., womens brains are hard wired for linguistics meaning better at communication and they have a higher sense of smell and taste.

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Nope, citation please - oh and to prove things like this (I'm talking about the points related to the brain, not hands), that is biological absolutes - you need a multi-cultural study, to prove it's not the case that women are not socially encouraged to be good at spacial awareness - pseudo-science very little evidence for it. I'd argue, as others have before me, that talents are socially relative, for instance peoples with pictorial written languages tend to do better in some aspects of IQ testing. The brain is very complex and so are people, don't generalise.

"Women and Men are NOT EQUAL in everything we do" This here, I can fix it for ya: "People are not equal in everything they do..."

Ughhhhhhh - people get so defensive when you talk about sexism, or racism or anything of the sort - it's "but i'm not sexist... whine.... whine.... not sexist.."
If you're not sexist, why do you think the accusations of sexism are aimed at you? Maybe a little harsh - to put it more politely: If I think you're sexist, I'll tell you, until I do you don't need to argue against it"


EDIT: for typo 

This thread.... I'm disappointed in the M&B community, every-time it gets anywhere near a conclusion some new twat turns up spewing sexist ****

So I thought I'd re-join the flame/discussion.
For some reason it's turned into - could a woman be a good solider, which doesn't seem that relevant, but meh.
I think this is a statement we could all agree with: In war, the smarter more adaptive side will win. A hypothetical - a battle between an all female army and an all male army - if the female side is better trained and their commander has a better grasp of tactics - they will win. Individual strength doesn't matter that much, due to weapons, tactics and team-work. As to those arguing that modern equipment is too heavy for the average women - who makes the weapons? With our technology we could easily make the equipment lighter without making it less effective, but due to predetermined ideas of gender roles - weapons are designed for the average man.
I'm sure being strong is nice - but strength isn't really our (as a species) speciality, it's nothing to be too proud off, strength doesn't build computers, or computer games. Oh and a personal gripe - whoever said the natural distribution of labour was such that men hunted, and women gathered - you're an idiot.

Back on topic, it's important to remember this feature (playing as women) wasn't not added, rather it was removed - which is why so many people are pissed off I think. To my mind, the creators haven't justified this choice well, it feels more like they're trying to exclude women, I'm sure they weren't but it's kinda how it seems.

Yeah, my list was mostly a joke, dont take it too seriously - but there are many historical inaccuracies, as there will be in any game.

EDIT: one other thing that bothers me - how is it we know there weren't female soldiers not generals, just soldiers? Why would records be kept of them? Seems kinda speculative to me - although I have no proof to the opposite.

Gr0vZ 说:

You take it out, aim... and you see it's a woman! I would be just standing there, gasping, wondering a)what is she doing here b)how did she get here c)are those long eyelashes natural? Then, I would be most probably cut down.
Just realise what a psychological effect a female commander would have on the combatants. She would cause confusion to the enemy, there is no doubt about it. Girls just don't do war... at least in the general public opinion of the Baroque era.

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Huh, odd statement, one would think if what you're saying is true, women would be better in battles than men?

As to historical accuracy - the game is full of problems on that front - people didn't level up in medieval times (like we do now), everyone appears to be speaking a single language, you take peasants from villages and train them to become some of the best troops in the game, you can't really feed an entire army only on butter, the list goes on.
I don't see what's hard to understand here - include an option to play as a women, and make no other changes. Those people who want accuracy can play men, the option to be female changes nothing. Appealing to a wider market seems like a good idea to me...

Bruck8 说:

And I will report you too for using your lame political correctness to silence people you disagree with you!

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Needed a sig ;D

Wow Bruck8, just wow - personally I'm reporting that, I mean there's a few pseudo-sexist posts about realism etc. but they don't touch your level of crazy. Not only are you rude, and very very sexist you've failed to make one original argument - my advice delete your post (it was ****) and read the thread!

Rian Ó Fearghail 说:

I for one have no problem with women being introduced. But just shouting sexism all the time is so annoying.

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Not introduced, it was built in the Warband engine, the option was removed - and for as many people have explained, for no good reason.
Plus you should always think, "does this make me sound like a ****?" before saying "just shouting sexism all the time"...

I prefer Warband I only really play duels and occasionally battles, which is arguably a small portion of the player base. The Fire and Sword melee combat feels clumsy and shallow when compared to Warbands. Two-handers and pole-arms are insanely slow (I'm a fan of game-play over realism), they all swing like great mauls. Chambers are just odd now, due to slow weapon speeds they don't look like counter-attacks at all. Two handers and polearms also seem to bounce off armour more often than in Warband, though still less than one handers. One hander combat doesn't seem as bad, although due to some odd shapes and phantom reach it's far from ideal. I was thinking many of these oddities might of occurred because they were attempting to make musket melee combat viable? I could get used to dueling with one handers in F&S, but I don't see why I'd want to, when I can simply duel in Warband - where there are three viable classes of dueling weapons.

I understand I represent a small part of the player-base, but I don't understand many of the changes made to combat mechanics. What's great about Warband is that you don't need mode specific weapons, the game is well balanced so most weapons will work for most modes, and the depth of combat achievable in duel mode is somewhat transferable to other game modes.

I think the game certainly has potential , some great looking new weapons and outfits - cool factions, nice maps and a cool SP, I'm not overly disappointed I brought it - I just wish the combat mechanics were balanced better.

Are you directing the program to the mount and blade folder or the warband folder?

Ok, Benny perhaps you should learn to chamber before dismissing it? I have dueled saint (vrooooooom) many times, and have chambered him - he still wins more often than I do - there are a few tactics which you can use - Dodging, counter-chambers, Kick slashes or (dare I say it) manual blocking. If you are GOOD you can beat chambers, of c only GOOD players can chamber well, so until you're GOOD you won't be able to beat them.
Also, I can so chamber a cookie cutter!

Ok, not sure about vista - but have you tried all of the fixes listed so far?

Sure, I'd like your bank account details
Don't complain if you act like a **** on someone's server and they give your id out
As to used, I've been calling that guy a troll for weeks, he really needs a ban.

I think Orion is very good at arguing :O Don't be mean.
Also, I have read the entire thread, including all of your silly points. As to the idea that I'm trying to make you mad, I'm not. I'm trying to stop you from making bigoted remarks. I think some education is in order here you go

So it's ok for you to make a (another) silly statement, and anyone that argues with you is simply posting for the point of posting?
Interesting troll logic

It's trolling if you derail threads. The thread has nothing to do with America, or you. So, stop trolling.

Used, why are you constantly derailing threads with your bigotry? Orion, he's done this before look here -  (only read pg 8 and 9)
Used you are a troll, stay on topic.

Ok, you have to change the settings.cfg file so that it points to regular mount and blade (you might not have to do this, its normal settings are for the mount and blade folder). You copy the file txt file titled "map" from your warband module, and into mount and blade native, use the map editor to change the landscape as much as you want, there is no real point in adding towns etc. at this point (it's easier to add them via the module system once you have the map you want). While using the map editior, it is likely to crash a lot, and many of the features don't work. Finally copy the file "map" out of mount and blade and back into your warband mod. If it still doesn't recognise this, just edit the native mount and blade map, the npaste that into your warband mod. If none of that works, look at other peoples solutions.