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  1. ancalimon

    Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?

    Skot the Sanguine 说:
    There is a difference between twisting and turning.  Maybe there isn't in the Turkish languages, but there certainly is in English.

    You twist first (I simply push or pull), and that you have the loop, the force, the momentum, the torque, the turning.

    People pull each other,  male and female pull each other X  ,  planets pull each other,  human and God pull each other.

    The cross sign in a circle is a DEĞER (TYR)  DEĞER means value, value judgement, worth.

    124px-Crossed_circle_svg.png



    The truth is that there is no cross inside.  They are Gamma signs and they do not cross each other. They simple touch at a single point representing for example;  the feminine and the masculine.  When it's a wheel, the lines are always tangent to the ground.  (TANGENT: DEĞENDİR (English translation: it's the action of touching))

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_judgment
    This is TÖRE : the ability to know right from wrong.

    When you use it in a twisting, wrong way, you get this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labarum


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    The labarum represents the symbiosis being broken.  The labrys represent judgement, dogma, memorizing and captivity over reasoning, thinking, freedom.

    The Wheel of fortune: 
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    Wheel: TEKER
    Fortune: DEĞER

    http://til.gov.kz/wps/portal/!ut/p/c0/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3hTA3cDA3fLYCNDd38jA6MwR6MAUw8vQwMXM_3g1Dz9gmxHRQBwbhzv/

    After looking at the link;

    Actually the Shanyrak while is related to Chakra, it's the original idea of a BELL (ÇAN) on top of temples (yes I know they are Turkic ideas and it's weird).  It's of course related to ÇAK.

    http://www.google.com.tr/search?q=shanyrak&hl=tr&prmd=ivnsm&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=rwulTaD-BYrAswbXp_mdCA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CA8Q_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=818

    While there was a plus in a circle;KHACH (which is a TEKER:Wheel  and DENGE:Balance) on top of Yurts (home),  Konstantin being a pagan made it a BELL on top of churches (temple) which comes from the god BAAL and is related to BALANCE in English    but BELA:evil, trouble, misfortune  in Turkic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belial
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%CA%BFal

    BAAL is the god of confusion and thus Konstantin confused everything. He broke the balance.

    Bael.jpg
  2. ancalimon

    Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?

    Demonwolf 说:
    No, it's supposed to be Armagan.

    armaĞan  Ğ and G are different sounds in Turkic. Ğ is usually silent.

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    Anyway I think I have a theory regarding the source of Turkic mythology of Ergenekon in which a wolf shows the way out of an iron mountain and Turks melting the mountain.

    Here is what I theorize:

    Turks (or some other people) were living in America, the ice between America and Asia melted (or Turks melted the ice) and a Turk (or some other person) followed a wolf or a pack of wolves to find a passage between America and Asia. That's it.

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    I think I have solved a great mystery. The etymology of Tengri, Deus, Horus, Baʿal

    They are all related to BALANCE in Turkic fashion!

    http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\alt\turcet&first=1&text_proto=*de%C5%8Bgil&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&ic_rusmean=on&text_atu=&method_atu=substring&ic_atu=on&text_krh=&method_krh=substring&ic_krh=on&text_trk=&method_trk=substring&ic_trk=on&text_tat=&method_tat=substring&ic_tat=on&text_chg=&method_chg=substring&ic_chg=on&text_uzb=&method_uzb=substring&ic_uzb=on&text_uig=&method_uig=substring&ic_uig=on&text_sjg=&method_sjg=substring&ic_sjg=on&text_azb=&method_azb=substring&ic_azb=on&text_trm=&method_trm=substring&ic_trm=on&text_hak=&method_hak=substring&ic_hak=on&text_shr=&method_shr=substring&ic_shr=on&text_alt=&method_alt=substring&ic_alt=on&text_khal=&method_khal=substring&ic_khal=on&text_chv=&method_chv=substring&ic_chv=on&text_jak=&method_jak=substring&ic_jak=on&text_dolg=&method_dolg=substring&ic_dolg=on&text_tuv=&method_tuv=substring&ic_tuv=on&text_tof=&method_tof=substring&ic_tof=on&text_krg=&method_krg=substring&ic_krg=on&text_kaz=&method_kaz=substring&ic_kaz=on&text_nogx=&method_nogx=substring&ic_nogx=on&text_bas=&method_bas=substring&ic_bas=on&text_blkx=&method_blkx=substring&ic_blkx=on&text_gagx=&method_gagx=substring&ic_gagx=on&text_krmx=&method_krmx=substring&ic_krmx=on&text_klpx=&method_klpx=substring&ic_klpx=on&text_sal=&method_sal=substring&ic_sal=on&text_qum=&method_qum=substring&ic_qum=on&text_reference=&method_reference=substring&ic_reference=on&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto&ic_any=on


    Proto-Turkic: "*deŋgil" | Query method: Match substring
    Proto-Turkic: *deŋgil
    Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology
    Meaning: axle
    Russian meaning: ось
    Turkish: dingil
    Tatar: teŋel (КСТТ)
    Middle Turkic: tiŋgil (MA)
    Chuvash: tǝʷnǝʷl
    Gagauz: dingil
    Karaim: teŋgil
    Comments: VEWT 474, ЭСТЯ 3, 235-236, Федотов 2, 216-217. Turk. >Hung. tengely 'axle', see Gombocz 1912.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys
    http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Polat_Kaya/message/354

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ox
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%CA%BFal
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra
    http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/turkologiya/trk010eng.htm

    DENK: equivalent, equal, balanced, counterbalance    equal  from Turkic  ESH KOL:  two identical lines
    http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=denk
    http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=kol
    http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=e%FE#e%C5%9F
    DENGE: balance
    DENGELİ: balanced

    DİN (RELIGION) ~ DENGE
    DİNGİN: peaceful, equal, content
    ISLAM (peace, being content)

    This would mean Islam is related to Tengri  :shock: :shock:
    54. O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.

    Are these Turks?

    AXLE < AXE : BALta ÖKÜZ>OX : two balanced horns

    DENGE: BALance

    ÖRS: ANVIL

    ÖRS <> DEUS <> ZEUS <> EARTH <> OX <> ÖKÜZ <> HORUS

    DEUS < TAŞ (Earth, stone, ball)

    BALL <> BAAL    BALLS (TAŞAK): two balls balanced  ???  CHAKRA (related to TAŞAK?)  balance of body ?
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    KHACH: HAÇ  :  the cross in a circle

    Proto-Turkic: *Aj-
    Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology
    Meaning: 1 to revolve, rotate, go round 2 to tarry 3 to lead, lead round 4 to speed up 5 to drive
    Russian meaning: 1 вращаться, вертеться, обходить 2 мешкать 3 кружить, водить 4 ускорять 5 гнать
    Turkish: ajla-(n)- 1, ajlak 'шатающийся без дела'
    Tatar: ǝjlǝn- 1
    Uzbek: ajlan- 1, 2
    Uighur: ajlan- 1, 2
    Azerbaidzhan: ajlan- (dial.) 1
    Turkmen: ajla- 3
    Khakassian: ajn-ɨt- 4, ajla-, ǝjlǝ- 1
    Shor: ajlan- 1
    Oyrat: ajla- 1, ajda- 5
    Yakut: ajgɨ-s-ɨn- 'to tarry; to go, visit frequently' (*ajɨg-ɨš-ɨn-)
    Kirghiz: ajlan- 1, ajda- 5
    Kazakh: ajda- 5, ajnal- 1
    Noghai: ajlan- 1
    Balkar: ajlan- 1
    Gagauz: ajla-, ajlan- 1, (h)ajda- 5
    Karaim: ajlan- 1
    Karakalpak: ajlan- 1, 2
    Kumyk: ajlan- 'to move, visit'
    Comments: ЭСТЯ 1, 106-107, 109-110. The forms meaning `rotate, go round, walk in circles' are hardly connected with aj `moon'.

    Again: balance : 
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      It looks like AŞK (love) is derived from this.  (AŞ: pass, exceed)

    Chakra is a concept originating from Hindu texts and used in Hindu practices. Its name derives from the Sanskrit word for "wheel" or "turning" (cakraṃ चक्रं [ˈtʃəkrə̃], pronounced [ˈtʃəkrə] in Hindi; Pali: cakka चक्क, Thai: จักระ, Tamil: சக்கரம், Chinese: 轮, Tibetan: འཁོར་ལོ་; khorlo).[1]

    (Turkic teker (wheel) and Chakra are connected)  Sanskrit ˈtʃəkrə̃ is derived from Turkic  "değir">  (Turkish) döner (revolving)    (Turkish)"değirmen" (mill)


    BAAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadad

    Formerly the Kipchak society was divided into estates. Its highest part had seven levels of estates. Differences were in the conduct above all. By the conduct they judged about nobility, position and rights of a person in society. There were adats which it was deemed a shame to breach. The society exiled the people not respecting the adats and their shame was redeemed with blood. Nobility and khans had a lot of obligations.

    Regardless of everything, in V, in XII, in XVI centuries they kept on living "according to their rules" in the alien European lands - ancient steppe adats were above all for the nation… Steppe inhabitants kind of didn't see the hostility of the world around, they didn't understand their maladjustment to it. It is astonishing. Their number decreased, their lands were vanishing, but they didn't see it. Life has taught nothing those stubborn adherents of the steppe culture being proud of themselves.

    According to the steppe adat one could swear only once during the life and keep the faith to the swear until the end.

    ADAT are the rules that are believed to be unbreakable. If you break the rule, you die. If not by other people, you kill yourself out of shame.  It's a God. It looks like these ADAT of Turks are related to BAAL which is (balance) in English but Bela (imbalance, damnation) in Turkic. They are still a great social problem among Turks.

    The unbreakable rules of Turks (for which they made sacrifices: ADAK) reached the Semitic ground in this form: 
    Hadad.jpg



    Tell me. Could I explain what I think?  It's difficult to explain. I hope I could.

    We call mankind’s ignorant, barbaric, and impossible quest to make people
    march to the same music,belieforinfancy of the human thought processes.Actually,
    beliefis a strange emotion forcing humans to sacrifce their lives to prove or dis-
    prove any of their theories, ideas and convictions. They use words to convert pro-
    spective followers.
    Of course, in order to survive, infant mankind had to take some risks, or he
    would never have survived. You’ve heard the trite old expressions,If you are not
    with me, you are against me,andI don’t accept your beliefs, but I’d die for your right
    to believe them.I can’t think of any more efficient way to die miserable and surely
    than falling into the mire ofBelief/Not-Belief.
    The Turks and Hindus bequeathed to mankind all his religions. But they did
    not just sit down someplace and dream up ways to worship God (Creation).
    Man’s religions exist in the innermost depths of the souls of all humans. They are
    as much a part of us as our own bodies, spirits, behaviors, and minds. In fact,
    theyare our own bodies, spirits, behaviors, and minds.
    The wordBeliefderives from the name of an ancient Turkic-Hindu God
    calledBali, Baliu,andBel.In ancient Sumeria, God Bel was depicted as a man
    with a bull’s head and horns. He represents the second mystery of the Holy Trin-
    ity-The Son-as completely cut off from the Father and the Holy Spirit. His sacred
    direction was North and South. When cut off from the sacred direction of the
    Father, East and West, Bel can offer mankind only blood, tribulations, and
    unending tragedy on earth. That is why Bel was commonly called “Lord Sec-
    ond.” (SeeThe World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors,by Kersey Graves, p. 128.)
    In Orissa, India,Baliis a large sect, having hundreds of thousands of follow-
    ers. Even in the Catholic Church to which I belong, I have seen grotesque images
    of a blood-spattered Christ in Latin-American communities, minus the Cross,
    lying in a coffin. In Mexico, thieves, cutthroats, and sinners in general worship
    Bel as a skeleton named Saint Death. It is especially revered by drug smugglers
    and cut-throats seeking illegal entry into the United States. The image is com-
    monly seen along the border between Mexico and the United States.
    Bel worshipers are often flagellants who torture their bodies in various ways.
    In the Phillipine Islands, New Mexico, and Mexico,Penitentes,as they are so-
    called, will allow themselves to be nailed to crosses. Supposedly, Eve, the wife of
    Adam, introduced Adam to the religion of sin and degradation. That is how
    “Belief got its name:Baleva/Beleva.The Hindus also share in common with
    Christians, Jews, Moslems, Turks, and others the myth of Adam and Eve. It was
    this myth that gave rise to the now outlawed Hindu custom ofSuttee(widow
    burning) on the pyres of their dead husbands.
    In Sanskrit,Bala=“explain, describe, force, against one’s will, without being
    able to help or change things, militarily, troops, young, childish, infantile, not
    full-grown or developed, newly, rising early, ignorant, simple, foolish, fit for sac-
    rifice, child, fool, simpleton, or any immature living creature,”
    Evameans earth, world, conduct, habit, usage, custom. We derived the word
    Eve from the SanskritEva.
    The connotation ofBalevais, “forcing one’s childish, foolish, ignorant, infan-
    tile, underdeveloped, sacrifice worthy, earthly habits, conduct, and customs on
    oneself and others” (preferably on others).
    The TurkishBela=“calamity; misfortune; evil; trouble.”
    In Kashmir, India, one of the places to which the Turks emigrated after the
    flood,Balava(believe or belief) means “tumult; disturbance; insurrection; rebel-
    lion; mutiny.”Balavayi(True Believer) means “rioter; one who stars an insurrec-
    tion; a mob of rioters.”
    The Spanishpalabra,meaning “word,” derives also fromBelaba.When we
    depend onpalabrasor our Englishpalaverto teach us the fundamental truths,
    we’re always going to be refugees from Mt. Meru, The Beginning or Source of All
    Mankind.
    We seem to invoke God Bel unconsciously when our baser passions are
    aroused, such as hate and violence. A warlike, violent-prone person is called “bel-
    licose.” In Spanish, he isbélico.A person rising up against established authority is
    a “rebel. When a person loses control of himself, becoming temporarily insane,
    we may say he has gone “ballistic.” It seems that any word in which the syllable
    bal/belis found implies some undesirable trait, thing, or behavior. For example, a
    “ball” is at the mercy of ballplayers. A “bull” is either ferocious or meat for din-
    ner. A “balance” or scale implies measuring one thing against another. A “bullet”
    is a murderous projectile.
    For the Phoenicians,Belwas the Devil, God of the Underworld.
    In India, the members of the Baleva sect observe a special holiday held every
    mid-August, in which people exchange gifts to show their willingness to sacrifice
    themselves for the things in which they believe (Baleva). According to their
    myths, a certain king,Bali Raja,offered devotion to the GodNarayan,by giving
    up his kingdom and his own life. In some parts of India, it is customary for peo-
    ple to celebrateBalevaby drawing pictures on the walls of their homes and then
    worshipping them. They will also place the imprints of their palms on either side
    of the entrances, hoping that demons will get stuck on them.
    Not only was the Ancient Egyptian culture readily assimilated by the Phoe-
    nicians, so, too, was that of Sumeria. The result was not only a fusion of cul-
    tural beliefs, but also confusion, which resulted in the loss of the original
    meaning of the Baal Myth.
    The god Bel, from whom the Beltane Festival derives its name, was the
    Ancient Babylonian counterpart of the Syrian Baal “Bel” is translated with
    the titles “Lord” and “Baal”. “Baal” is sometimes
    represented as “Ba-al”. Babylon was a village in c2230 BCE when Ur was a
    city. “Babylon”, is the Greek rendition of the Hebrew word “Babel”, and is
    translated as both “Confusion” and “Gate of Bel”.
    The “Confusion” aspect is recalled in the story associated with the Tower
    of Babel and the confusion of languages…(Ancient Egyptians and the Constella-
    tions,by Audrey Fletcher, Adelaide, South Australia; part 15.)
    In Sumerian,Ba=“Father.” “Bel”=Confusion.”Iva=Eve. Therefore, when
    someone says, “I believe,” he is really saying, “I, the Father/Mother of Confu-
    sion.”
    It is indeed strange that so many people hallow this hideous Bel or “The Sec-
    ond Son,” admitting that they dearly love to be cut off from The Holy Trinity.
    As Audrey Adelaide said, it means “Confusion” or “Belief.”
    Basically, all I have said so far renders down to this: Mankind is so confused
    and lost by the Babel of human languages, scriptures, preaching and words, all
    governed by his Ego or limited perceptions of life, that he can never attain wis-
    dom by trying to make some true sense of them. He can attain spiritual salvation
    only by looking inwardly to himself, through the entirely scientific spiritual tech-
    nology called The Holy Trinity.
    Of course, we know that “The Second Son” signifies some good in human
    existence. But there are always two sides to every question and equation. And
    there is sacrifice in all three components of the Holy Trinity.
    There are also two aspects of the Holy Trinity:
    1.Buddhism or the efforts of each individual to be his own priest and savior.
    2.Brahmanismor collective control of human society by the priests and
    clergy. This is the type of social control leading to horrors likeSuttee,actual
    blood sacrifice, arguments, squabbles, all manner of wars, and tragic human lives.
    In no way should clerics be able to govern human societies, for when and if it
    happens, the consequences are always dire. No individual, if he has his choice of
    “druthers,” would subject himself to Bel’s wrath.
  3. ancalimon

    Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?

    Majhudeen 说:
    Where, and who does it say Gilgamesh was referred as Bilgamesh?

    There are countless sources about this just search the Internet for Bilgamesh, Bilgamish, Bılgamış, Bilgamış, Bilgemiş, Bilgemish, Bilgeymiş.

    Gilgamesh (/ˈgɪl.gə.meʃ/, Akkadian cuneiform:Gilgameš, also known as Bilgames in the earliest text)[1]

    Well since they are not Indo European or Semitic. The only other options is Turanic. Besides every evidence points towards Turanic origin linguistically and thus genetically. What I say is that all Turanic people are descendents of OQ people later OQHUZ and OQHUR people.

    It's not hard to find the connections. They mix up things. I find what they mixed up. For example When a Scyth says "we believe in AtamızOğuz" and some other person understands it as "We worship Father Zeus" history gets mixed up.

    Another person probably heard the word ATAM and called it ADAM: the first human. Bah.

    The word Turan is not only seen in the old word. Among native Haitians the word Turan meant "the race from sky"
    Quabec consisted of two words and they were known as KU (sacred) - BA (father) among natives. Both have the same meaning in Turkic.  (quatre lattres sur le Mariquee - pages: 228, 329)


    Eктωρ 说:
    Ancalimon, isn't it just plain obvious that the "Allah Allah" thing is because of the islamism on turkish society?
    I mean, people here in the west say things like "OH MY ******** GOD" when something like that happens.

    "Oh la la" is just a vocalization, like when we understand something suddenly and say "Aaah!"

    And does Portuguese has something like that? No. You know why? Cause we are not muslim, in fact, there is a history os islamophoby in Portugal, even if our language is permeated by arab terms, like, lemme see... Azeitona (Olive), Alfarje (Ceiling), Almofada (Cushion).
    Does it means that the portuguese people are arabs? No.

    We are talking about entirely different subjects. I talk about how some kind of "reiterative" or "name of a God" which should belong strictly to a language can be rooted back to a basic ProtoTurkic word "AL - ALA" and can be perfectly related in harmony with the usage of that word in different languages. You talk about borrowed words.  I'm not talking about borrowed words. I'm talking about lost source of human speech. I no longer care about who borrowed which word from whom at this point since that is now trivial for me. It wouldn't matter at all and I can't explain these things to you yet.

    ALA:  let me try to explain the logic behind it... For example Merlkir: You said ale means "but" in your language.

    ALE means there is something but there is also another detail in that something.  You use the "but" when you want to add another detail to your argument.
    For example you say: The woman killed the man (everybody gets angry at the woman)..  "BUT" the man tried to rape her. (magically and suddenly the guilty person becomes the man).  You were saying something and your words showed the woman as the guilty person. Suddenly it seemed like you were going to try to deceive them by saying "but". What would make her right. Killing is wrong after all...

    You simply make the connection between ProtoTurkic "Ala" and Czech "Ale".  You find more connections of Czech or Turks to the rest of the world and it's simply evident. You just don't want to accept it right now, and I'm not that good at defending what I know either.

    For example I talked about a LABARUM and the flag of Constantin which I showed before.

    Proto-Turkic: *jala-
    Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology
    Meaning: 1 sacred band 2 flag 3 tie, strap
    Russian meaning: 1 священная лента, веревочка, пучок волос (привязываемая к дереву или шаманской колотушке) 2 знамя, флаг 3 завязка, повязка
    Tatar: jalaw (dial.) 2, jala 3
    Middle Turkic: jalaw (Бор. Бад.) 2
    Uzbek: jalɔw 2
    Uighur: ǯala (dial.) 3
    Sary-Yughur: ǯala 3
    Turkmen: jalow (dial.) 2
    Khakassian: čala(ŋ)ma 1, čalā 3
    Shor: čala 3, čalaba 1
    Oyrat: jalaɣa, d́alaɣa 3, jalama, d́alama 1
    Yakut: salama 1
    Tuva: čalā 3, čalama 1
    Kirghiz: ǯalau 2
    Kazakh: žalaw 2
    Karakalpak: žalaw 2
    Comments: ЭСТЯ 4, 99-100, VEWT 181. Turk. *jala-gu, *jala-ga and *jala-ma seem to be derived from a common root, thus it is most probable that Mong. ǯalama 'sacred strips' and ǯalaɣa 'tassel, thick silk thread' are borrowed from Turkic and not vice versa.

    When you have necessary historical knowledge to know that ancestors of Kipchak (Kıpçak) were the Gobu, and when you know their relations with Hay people (today known as Armenian) and if you know that the first people to learn about Tengri knowledge, were the Hay people and though them the rest of Europe. You will simply understand why Contantin lived as a "pagan" but died as a Christian. The paganism at first was not Tengism at all but was called paganism although it was not paganism. After Constantin died, Christianity was no longer Tengrism but it was The Paganism although it was called Christianity.. The Kipchaks - Turs simply entered Europe and made it Turkic "once again" after thousands of years.

    LABARUM:  ALA BARUM ~ ALA BAYRAĞIM ~ ALA BARIM  all of these are possible.

    "WORDS ARE ALWAYS INERT". The only thing that changes are humans. Humans give new meanings to words. The always exist. If the meanings are related, this means humans are related. If the meanings are opposite, this means humans were enemies. If the meaning are both related and opposite as well, this means a people and their enemies had become one as they found a common ground to exist together.

    Now
    ALA meant "1 sacred band 2 flag 3 tie, strap" in Proto-Turkic.
    TUĞ (pronounced similar to "dough ~ two") also meant "flag" and "soul of connection of two people".  Here we find a connection between the words "TWO and TUĞ" which is "the connection of two people" thus they create a family and have a TUĞ of their own. Their family know have a TUĞ.

    Generally speaking the word ALA is something good in this context.

    but maybe not? What is this? :

    Proto-Turkic: *jAla
    Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology
    Meaning: 1 suspicion, false accusation 2 lie
    Russian meaning: 1 подозрение, клевета 2 ложь
    Old Turkic: jala 1 (OUygh.), jalɣan 2 (OUygh.)
    Karakhanid: jala 1 (MK), jalɣan 2 (MK)
    Turkish: jalan 2
    Tatar: jala 1, jalɣan 2
    Middle Turkic: jalɣan 2 (AH), jalqan 2 (MA)
    Uzbek: jɔlɣɔn 2
    Uighur: jalɣan 2
    Azerbaidzhan: jalan 2
    Turkmen: jalan 1,2
    Oyrat: jala, d́ala 1
    Kirghiz: ǯala 1, ǯalɣan 2
    Kazakh: žala 1, žalɣan 2
    Noghai: jala 1, jalɣan 2
    Bashkir: jala 1, jalɣan 2
    Balkar: ǯalɣan, žalɣan 2
    Gagauz: jalan 2
    Karaim: jalan, jalɣan 2
    Karakalpak: žala 1, žalɣan 2
    Salar: jalɣan 2
    Kumyk: jalɣan 2
    Comments: VEWT 181, 183, EDT 918-919, 926, ЭСТЯ 4, 87, 91-92. Turk. > Mong. jala (KW 214).

    It suddenly became "1 suspicion, false accusation 2 lie"  while it used to be "1 sacred band 2 flag 3 tie, strap"

    Who falsely accused whom for doing what?  Was it the Roman Turks accusing Kipchak Turks for doing something bad? Was it the opposite? Forget who killed or saved Christ. The important thing is: "Who is right?"  The answer and the perfect solution is this: 
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    Only Tengri is right.  Yet some people chose another solution using the same shape but not bound by Tengri.
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      I hold the axe, thus I'm right. I have the power of the horde. I'm the rightful one.

    The word meant  bağlı, bağlılık : "we are forming an allegiance" "we are putting a brick on top of another one"  (here we find the connection between POLIS - BALIQ - BAAL)  and suddenly it also means  "they cheated us, they are deceivers".  When did it happen?  How did this word turn into a LIE?  Even more!:  The word is also a name of God which Turks accept.

    So how many meanings in Turkic does LABARUM ~ ALABARUM have which are all related to what I find researching "deep" into history?

    Labbrys is related to this in Turkic. Plus in a circle is related to the same thing in Turkic. Labarum is related to this in Turkic. Labyrinth is related to this in Turkic. Wheel, Cross (Khach, Chack), Chakra, Dhikr (male, the ability to remember), İnsan (human: the one who forgets) is related to this in Turkic. Hinduism and Islam are related to this in Turkic. It's so difficult to explain them all in the same context together. Because it is not about a time. It's about all known times and probably unknown ones as well.

    Well.. It got complicated again
    http://not-for-sheeples.blogcu.com/vatikan-ve-hristiyanlarin-bilmeden-gunese-ibadet-etmeleri/6704873
    Look at the pictures here.

    What I want to tell you is that someone made extreme fun of some people.  This is the SUN.    TAO SAN : TAVŞAN : RABBIT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabb

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    Easter Bunny :  ISITIR BENİ (it warms me) or İYİ ISITIR BENİ (it warms me reeaaly good) - IŞITIR BENİ (it gives light to me, it makes me shine) - YAŞATIR BENİ (it makes me live) -    Here is the answer to all your riddles.

    When the Sun goes West, night comes and if you had a riddle for that I guess  it would have been called: Western Bunny : ÜŞÜTÜR BENİ (it makes me cold) - ESİTİR BENİ (it makes winds blow on me)

    Basically there was what you would today call paganism which gave great importance to the Sun and they called those people who said that there was a meaning to everything but it is not evident to human eyes as ATHEISTS. The thing is those Atheists: Tengriists gave the same importance to Sun as well.

    The difference between an Atheist and a Tengriist is trivial. Atheists say "you only see a visible God, if you can not see it this means it doesn't exist. This is the labrys way". Tengriist say "God is the meaning and meaning is never evident and visible. Only what we make of it this is the way of symbiosis"

    How were the Turkic horde captured?  (I think horse<horde despite what others would think)  They probably make them drink an oath. ANT (pronounced as HUNT without the breathing H sound) they poured their blood to a cup and drank it. This promise can never be broken unless the cup is broken. They are bound to whoever they gave their oath to.


    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/29Huns/Zuev/ZuevEarly8En.htm
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