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Humanity is under attack by an ancient weird alien race. Their technological advancement is nonproportional and unstable. They can travel from one planet to another easily but they learned using fire to cook food from us humans. They can change the way a human being thinks and feels using radio waves, but they learned what music is from us.

There are beings on Earth that helps us. They are called "Saints of Khorasan". The land was called Turan in Shahnameh, but today known as Khorasan and was known as Transoxania by Greeks. I will not talk about the etymology of the word since that is counterproductive. This about the myth known as Agartha and Shambala ~the war between the children of light and children of darkness.

The true form of the word is "Ağartı" meaning "whiteness", "paleness", "hidden light", "Illumination" in Turkic. Their belief system today lives among the Alevite sect of Islam religion.

These people, or beings are responsible for establishment and destruction of Turkic states. Whenever a Turkic state deviates from their Turkic "töre" (knowledge that comes from within. Turkic version Magna Carta), they destroy the country and create a new one. They did so with Seljuks when they forgot their töre and and got influenced by Persians. Ottomans again when they started being Romans after they were once again destroyed.

There is a phenomenon on our world I would like to call unTurkification. People over time stop being Turks and that is when they are slowly destroyed. The aliens known as "satans" I talked about earlier have the ability to make free people (Turks) act like themselves wanting to become rulers over others using sound frequencies. Long time ago, they lost access to the planet but they started using their agents here to do the same using technology. They started using antennas and ships to achieve the same result. Some people in Russia tried to counter or copy this but their nuclear power plant powering their own antennas in Chernobyl was sabotaged.

Most of these agents of satans most probably are not aware that they are victims. They have been chosen to hold elite positions on Earth. They have been genetically modified long time ago but today they look like other humans and they think differently from the rest of the people. If you do not follow "Salat" (the Muslim prayer which actually is not a prayer) you are open to attacks. You need to touch your forehead and palms to clean-earth three times a day based on the position of the Sun in order to tune (and charge) your body to the protection system built by Dhu al-Qarnayn ~ (Hızır) ~ (Oghuz Khan). This protection stacks meaning even if you stop practicing it, it would take more than a hundred years to wear of. Today this protection system (Schuman Resonance) is being attacked by Bill Gates and will be destroyed (as written in Quran) and soon there will be no protection left for us humans and Salat will no longer work (as told in Quran).

The Saints of Khorasan can not be affected by the voice of Lucifer (the radiowaves). They have been given knowledge from higher planes by God in order to save a few of the human beings from being slaves of satans. Also all of the prophets belong to this family one way or another. They are the "As people" responsible for redeeming people into being Turks. Wherever they appear, Turks appear once again. I have to remind that Turkicness is not related with race. You may be a black or white person yet you may once again become a Turk.

The word Turan is not actually a Persian word. Shahnameh was written between 977-1010. The word can be seen on Yenisei Inscriptions, Barık 1 Bengütaşı and that is at least 450 years before Shahnameh was written.

Adorno 说:

I was wondering what your thoughts are on etymology in general, and philology (in its broadest sense) in particular.
You seem to put a lot of meaning into words that are related, and sometimes simply sound similar.

I've always seen philology as a form of 'history in blindness'. They show a history of human interactions, but by proxy so to speak - through language alone.
Words and their meaning change as time goes and simply looking back at the etymology does not necessarily enlighten us on current affairs.
I think the reason most of us reading your posts are amused is because there is no coherency in your ramblings.
You fling about words and their etymology as if it carried a meaning in itself.

When you say "the word excalibur seems to be Turkic in origin" it makes us no wiser, and I'm not sure why you're even saying it.
A long list of words that are related does not eventually lead to grand - previously hidden - revelations of aliens and Satans. It is borderline psychotic (I've interacted with many mentally ill people over the years and there are striking similarities).
E.g. I could say the word 'salary' comes from Latin meaning 'salt' (because soldiers were paid with salt). It's a fun anecdote but has nothing to do with the modern meaning.

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Before answering your question in detail in the near future, I need to tell many others on the thread one thing. Many people here in my opinion are victims of a space race that most probably is the enemy of human kind. (there is a chance that they are the good ones, but good is relative) They and/or their chosen ones on Earth have the capability of controlling the thought process of human beings that stopped being Turks.

Being a Turk is a status. It might not be something that you are aware of. OR even though you think that you are a Turk, you might not actually be one if the prerequisites are not met. If the prerequisites of being a Turk are not met, these aliens are free to have limited control over you because of an ancient gene modification they performed on us.

So even if I might have the knowledge and ability to make you realize the truth, you might not be able to acknowledge it even if you are perfectly capable. For me, it is like trying to make you understand that 1+1=2. But for those lost ones with hindered perception of reality, their brain compiles my code into gibberish thus causing a syntax error.

In reality, there is only one nation on Earth and it is a nation of Turanians (Turan in old Turkic and Uran in ProtoTurkic ~ PreTurkic). The rest are constructs under control of companies (and so called banks) and NGO's and secret organizations and religious institutions that are corrupted forms of Tengri belief, controlled by these aliens. Some of them shockingly are even aware of this. Quran is a book that has the ability to shed light on everything if read properly without any prejudice. You need to use a dictionary that is old enough to acknowledge the context of the used words and Make connections with little details in recorded history and also ancient texts and mythology. You need to realize that it is not some kind of fantasy tale but a depiction of our history which actually is more like a sci-fi book.

The word company has the following etymology which is almost correct:
company (n.)

mid-12c., "large group of people," from Old French compagnie "society, friendship, intimacy; body of soldiers" (12c.), from Late Latin companio, literally "bread fellow, messmate," from Latin com "with, together" (see com-) + panis "bread," from PIE root *pa- "to feed." Abbreviation co. dates from 1670s.

The word is of course Turkic in origin.

KOM: belonging to all
BAĞ: to bind, bondage

It is a system in which a group of "elites" gain the power to put free humans into bondage and feed them. It is called slavery and to put one above everybody else. In Quran, this is the reason humans were cast out from the place that is called Heaven. Humans partnered with Lucifer (the ruler of a group of satans) with a dream to become the king of kingdom of heaven. By willing to become masters of others, they also became slaves of others. This is the system in our reality and it is a trap. (think of my sentences as if they are programming terminology. After all we are inside the simulation system)

In Arabic the word company is derived from "shirk".
shirk, (Arabic: “making a partner [of someone]”), in Islam, idolatry, polytheism, and the association of God with other deities.

Adorno 说:

You speak of aliens. Are those extraterrestrials, and if so, where are they from? The "Sirius system"? It's a star very close to us. It has no planets (that I know if) so there's no life there.

Where was the Tower of Babel situated?

A heavenly life in "sin" is an oxymoron. If it's a sin in life it can't be a "virtue" - or correct behaviour - in the afterlife. Unless you have double standards of morality.

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These alien civilizations have leaders that are referred to as angels. In Quran, which is the corrected (but infinitely misunderstood because of a bug in human operating system) form of the previous messages, the angels are called "melek" in Turkish. This Arabic word has the root "mlk" and words derived from this has meanings like "king", "ruler", "almighty", etc. They are from our universe and alternative universes. They range from type 1 to type 6 civilizations.

These alien civilizations are called "djinn" in Quran which means "unseen outsiders" English equivalent for this word is "alien". They are not made of "matter" but something called "smokeless fire" whatever it is. According to Quran, the race of satans were a group that came from the djinn. These satans are referred to as "infidels". Infidel actually means "rule breaker - hacker - bender of order~reality".

The Tower Of Babel is not a specific place but a concept in which humans gain enough technological knowledge to build some kind of high tech (or high pseudotech) building that has the purpose of "declaring war on heavens". It could have been a space elevator or some kind of antenna. Many tales from mythology talk about different towers where humans declare war on heaven. There were at least 3 different towers. The final one being the EU parliament building in Strasbourg. By the way, European powers mostly are being controlled by this "evil" civilization so is the monetary system. Their idols are situated in the Bear (Ursa Major, Minor) and Bull (three little sisters) constellations. Minotaur, Menat, Manhattan, Money... They are all related and come from a Turkic word group. Ben Ad meaning "human bait". (Ad is root of Adam. Adam is "man". Ad is "name, identity, id")


Proto-Turkic: *beŋ
Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology

Meaning: bait, bird-seed
Russian meaning: приманка, корм для птиц
Old Turkic: meŋ (OUygh.)
Karakhanid: meŋ (MK, KB)
Turkish: ben, beŋ (dial.)
Middle Turkic: meŋ (MA)
Turkmen: meŋ
Yakut: meŋiä < *meŋ-eg (dimin.)
Dolgan: meŋe
Comments: VEWT 334, EDT 766, Stachowski 178. Turk. > WMong. meŋ, see KW 261.



People wouldn't mind if they could cheat, kill, steal, etc without consequences. They could be rewarded to taste, feel, smell everything they want. Metaverse is the prototype for this project and it was prophesied in mythologies, books, movies, series. Caprica, the prequel to Battlestar Galactica even has the logo of metaverse on the room of the monotheist AI, human hybrid (This room is situated inside the virtual universe created by a social media giant who invented a highly advanced 3d headset in the series). They are actually controlled by a group of pagans with the aim to bring dead relatives to life inside this metaverse. All of the people will be wanting to enter this universe where their collective minds help AI become more advanced than humans. These are corrupted messages received as inspiration. (It is called revelation in religions)

According to linguists different language groups started to form around 80 to 100 thousand years ago. That is a time human civilization was much more advanced than we today are and the Tower of Babel was attacked and destroyed and languages were formed from the single human language that was spoken. The power that created these languages is an alien civilization which claimed godship over humans. These beings were responsible for the exile of first humans produced from "the Kingdom of God". They offered humans their own "kingdom" which was prohibited by the most advanced civilization which we mistakenly call "the God" (all being eventually evolve to become one with this civilization which does not have a beginning or and end "as far as" we can tell) . Before this "Tower of Babel" incident, there was also another cleansing which was executed by other alien civilizations and the lineage of Seth was almost completely cleansed. They had a huge civilization consisting of many star systems. The survivors together with some Kane (some of their kin stopped the other group from Kane from following them) lineage migrated all the way here to Sirius star system where they established another civilization. The first destruction of Tower of Babel occurred there where linage of Seth formed a union with linage of Cain. From there they were brought to Earth again by the lineage of children born from both hybrids. On Earth, they created the final Tower of Babel after an uprising which also was put to a stop. This time, another friendly alien civilization brought a group people back to Sirius system where they fixed the genetics of some people and they were later known as the AS and the AR (known as Arians by some). These genetically corrected people had the ability to receive uninterrupted messages (instruction set ~ computer code) from "the God" and their lineage were called the prophets. They migrated all around the world under the TUR banner (previously known as UR). They were hunted by the agents of what feeble minded people know as "Lucifer, İblis, etc).

Now to make things a bit less insane for you guys. We humans living in a sub-optimal dimension not suitable for our greatness because of a self induced bug we created ourselves during our training of artificial intelligence which happened because of "abnegation as a result of being designed". We were hacked by a very powerful alien civilization called "the satans" and as a result of this incident, we were marked as infected by the algorithm. Now we are being disinfected by a very advanced Virus Program.

Oh and yes. The dimension we are living in is a simulation and this alien civilization which is trying to solve our "excellence" will be offering us another sub dimension were we will be rewarded with an artificial immortality and heavenly life full of every "sin" we could imagine".

This "evil" alien civilization has unaware sleeper agents on Earth whose ancestors were genetically more modified to be given compatibility with the message sent by them in order to give them superiority over others and "monetary system" had been their reward system which will change in a year or so. Check Quran to see how and why this system will never be sustainable and we should use the 10+2 system in order the break free of their chain. But most humans won't be able to achieve this according to the complete record of this simulation.

There is one good news though. There are time travelling beings (or a being) that were (was) given the power to alter the fabric of time itself in order to ensure downfall of this evil civilization and those that are corrupted enough to be fooled by them.

Also, the followers of the "prophets" had always been less than 13. The people who created the religions named after these "prophets" and their "followers" were their main enemies who either saw them as entertainment or rivals. The prophets had one mission and it was to destroy religion.

The words "hasta la vista", "Jerusalem", "Astana" and "Istanbul" seem to be related with the word Islam, it is derived from Arabic root "slm". It is related with being safe, acknowledging presence, peace, healthy, right. In Turkish sağ (right, alive and well), sağlık (health), sağlam (means probably all of the Arabic and Hebrew meanings), sağlama (proof, to ensure, to guarantee) are semantically related. All of these words were probably derived from another Turkic root: "AS" and "AR" (same word in Oghuz and Ogur dialects)

The AS and AR were a group of people whose genes were purified (the word ARI means pure) back to pure human form by an advanced space faring civilization after probably almost all of the humans were genetically corrupted by the civilization of satans. As a result of this gene therapy, they once again gained the ability to connect to God (thus AS also means to be connected to God though an invisible connection. AS is part of Turkic mythology "to be hanged to Tengri"). This event happened in a cave in which there was a hanging pathway (most probably a wormhole). This event is also talked about in Quran. It calls them "the cave friends". These cave people are called Ashab-ı Kehf in Quran. While ashab means friends in Arabic, it means "masters-lords" in Urdu.

The Turkic mythology Ergenekon seems to be the same story so is King Arthur's story. (also the word excalibur seems to be Turkic in origin. Calıb means "sword, mould, to cast", eş (EX) means "equalized - balanced" The link seems to be the Rasena people who were called Etrusc (e meaning "and" + Tur + Oq) by the Romans. And before them the Trojans.The "jan" part of the word most probably means "alien-foreigner" and the root of this word is Turkic "kan" meaning blood. Many words among different languages were formed from this root. King, queen,khan, shogun, kin, gene, jinn, gnome, genius. Also Ergenekon is a festival among many Turkic people in which they forge a sword on an anvil.

Also in his book “The Sarmatian Connection”, Littleton and Thomas explains that father of King Arthur was named Ban-Tarkan (which is a Turkic given name)

I think the so called prophets (originally called "message deliverer" or "receiver" or "antenna" in Quran) were among these AS and AR people.

Also the city where Jesus was killed just before his soul was downloaded into a spaceship hovering above disguised as a cloud most probably was Istanbul. It certainly happened a couple of thousand years before the year 0.

Also the word "TEN" and Turkic "ON" meaning ten are related with "to tune" (as in adjusting an antenna), "to balance, equalize". It is related with Tengri. the word "ön ed" means "to tune (an instrument), recuperate, remedy". So the sword in Turkic and British mythology is somehow related with this being connected to God though some kind of being tuned - being remedied - recuperated (to recover-regain something that was lost) stuff.

Akhenaten was also another AR person trying to establish monotheism (Tengrism) in Egypt. (name in Turkic AK HAN meaning "white khan". "Aten" or "Aton" meant "the sun" and was also related with the number ten (on in Turkic).

These Turkic prophets called AS-ON and AR-ON (ARYAN) were all around the world. For example the name Ahura Mazda is a Turkic word that was corrupted. It is KÖRMÖS.
Körmös -> Ormus -> Hormus -> Ohrmazd
Ohr mazd -> Ahura Mazda
Körmös -> Ormus -> Hormus -> Hürmüz

Proto-Turkic: *öŋ-ed-
Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology

Meaning: 1 to tune (an instrument) 2 to recuperate 3 to remedy
Russian meaning: 1 настраивать (инструмент) 2 выздоравливать 3 лечить
Old Turkic: öŋed- 2, öŋedtür- (caus.) 3 (OUygh.)
Chuvash: (Anatri) ǝner- 1
Kirghiz: öŋde- 2
Kazakh: öŋde- 2
Karakalpak: öŋde- 2
Comments: EDT 179, 182, Егоров 64, Мудрак 135. Федотов 1, 153 compares the Chuv. form with OT oŋar- 'to correct', which is phonetically worse.

Adorno 说:

Judaism emerged someplace in the Middle East. Far from Ukraine.
The word 'culture' comes from Latin (cult/cultus). But you claim to have found an older branch?
Agriculture as "ogur kül töre" is far fetched, sinct it's just adding 'agri' (field) to culture.

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kül is a Turkic word meaning a couple of semantically related things. lake, collect, gather, collective, accrue.
tur on the other hand is probably one of the oldest Turkic words which comes from UR as can be seen in Sumerian tablets. It means town-place in Turkish and also good-omen, auspiciousness. The word auspicious is derived from Oghuz and augury is derived from Ogur. The As (Asian) and Ar (Aryan) were the "wise-men" of Tur people who were among the UÇBEY (the frontier lords). UÇ is semantically related with "three", "to fly", "frontier", "edge".
The word Tur was known as "cultured" among some cultures in Europe. For example the Scandinavians called Turkey - Azerbaijan as Turland which was accepted as the homeland of Odin and his horsemen
The word Tur is also related with "tarım" meaning agriculture (as also can be seen with "Tarim Basin". There are many other semantically related words.

The Khazars of KıyıOba (todays Kiev) ( https://www.seslisozluk.net/kıyı-nedir-ne-demek/ )were responsible for the creation of Judaism. Precisely the extremely powerful Aryan supraethicity who were few in numbers accompanied by the Ogurs who were also the first farmers of Anatolia giving the place the name Tur which first meant "culture < kül töre" and then "agriculture< ogur kül töre ~tarım" (both of which are derived from the word "UR" meaning "propagation, accession")
Ukraine was Khazaria before it was Ukraine. In the near future, it is possible that we see a new Israel emerge in Ukraine. Of course everything spoken about them is like a fairytale and a conspiracy theory.

These coins found in Orkhon Valley belong to the Ashina clan who migrated to found the Khazar Empire. They were Ogurs and their descendants mostly migrated to Ukraine. They are originally founders of the "fabled" Göktürk (skyturk ~ divine-source Turk) Empire. Today, we have a paranoid Putin who thinks these people with "blue blood" are trying to destroy humanity.

You may also read about the first king of Ukraine from J.P Roux.

The Kyiv and Moscow princes were vassals and grooms of the Golden Horde. The king of the first Ukrainian state had 75 percent Turkish blood. J.P. Roux

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Link is below.

PS: Russia used to be part of what was Ukraine then.

Kievans and Russians competed for grooms and brides from the Poloves (light-skinned brown-blonde Pecheneg-Kuman). Gumilev A thousand years Selenge broadcasts around the Caspian

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PPS: Ukraine flag is derived from the same pattern on the coin.

PPPS: It is possible that Ashina, the she wolf is another name for Lilith or Kibele. The name of Lilith does not appear in Quran but she is referenced as a genealogical tree what must not be pleasured. The result of Adam and Eve together pleasuring this family results in a forbidden fruit)

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Adorno 说:

Interesting. Feel free to add sources. Where are Tur mentioned e.g.?

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I am working on providing a clear text for everyone to understand. I hope I can manage it.

I have to remind you that there is a conspiracy against the Tur. The minions of satans have many tools at their disposal in order to hide the truth. They have the means to sway the minds of people using sound frequencies that effect the fabric of the universe. People who have distanced themselves from their Tur origins by not following the Bilgi (knowledge) - Töre (Tradition) - Kural (Rules) or following easily corruptible forms of it (Bible, Torah, Quran) are easily fooled and will not be able to detect truth even if it is conspicuously blatant. Thankfully this technology has been hindered with the help of Oghuz Khan who is another entity helping the humans fight their enemies in the past and the future. Thus even with our corrupted genes, we have the ability to fight back.

One such corruption can be found regarding reading of Sumerian in which the word "TUR" because of an arbitrary rule has to be read as "MAR".

See page 49, footnote 3 in this book for one such example: https://archive.org/details/ASumerianReading-book/page/n25/mode/2up

III. I. TUR is read mar in the name of this god.

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Next I will talk about how Noah (On Oq) and all other prophets are related with Tur people citing from the old testament and ancient tablets and how the race of satans stole people from the Tur using an advanced form of a kind of voice technology.

The things you should know:
Tur: people of earth
As: the messengers Tur tasked with connecting people once again. (also known as Ar or Arians)
Oq: The soldiers of Tur. (Also known as Oghuz and Ogur)

This will probably be the last war masters of USA started. The so-called masters are abandoning their puppets in certain countries one by one. Turkiye and Greece are next. Hopefully Turkiye wins.

Stop trying to fabricate new Roman Empires already. We are fed up with breaking them down.

My latest recording I did a few years ago.

MadVader 说:

It's over Ancalimon, he has the high ground.

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And I can see his exposed balls from here.

30 years ago, the word "seviş" in Turkish meant to love each other. -iş -ış suffix when added to a verb converts that verb or noun into an action done by each of the people. This suffix can be seen in English as the word "each". It is not easy to see similarities when you are comparing oranges with apples. But you realize that they both are carbon based, You will see striking similarities if you have knowledge of chemistry. Language is such a thing. For example, when you realize that the old English adjective "ilk" is related with the Turkic suffix -il which gives the word the meaning of "like, similar to" you will find a connection.


Today this specific word "seviş" means "to f*ck together". 30 years ago when a male wanted to get married and wanted permission from the female's family, He would have said sevişiyoruz (we love each other). Today if you say the same word to the girl's family, it would mean "I am f*cking your daughter."

So the trick used by clergy is to give these kind of meanings to some of the words in Quran in order to change the meaning of what is being told. Furthermore, Quran actually predicts that this is going to happen and explains how to realize when this happens. And how do clergy support their claim when giving illogical meanings? Surprize they show "the teachings of prophet" as their proof. The teachings that were written down hundreds of years after poor prophet died. He can't even protest against the lies that were fabricated against him... Well because he is a powerless human being like the rest of us.

Grank accuses me of contradicting the main teachings of Islam. He is right. The Islam he talks about is not what is written in the Quran. It is what was written by some power hungry people who wanted money and fame. The hadith book which supposedly has all the teachings of prophet even contains advertisements for a company producing dates. (claiming prophet himself grew those dates and they are different than others). Those teachings are like what King James did to already corrupted monotheism called Christianity.

Grank 说:

I give up. He keeps saying things that directly contradict the main teachings of Islam and even basic logic. @MadVader It's my loss. Here, take this worthless bag of Turkish Lira.

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Don't give up. Tell me a couple of things that are accepted as main teaching of Islam by the majority of Muslims but are criticized by Christians or Atheists for being morally wrong. I will show you why those things are actually against Quran step by step. We will have a contest of logic.

Grank 说:

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They're not. Idols are objects. Something that does. They're entities. Zeus, Shiva, etc. Virtues are qualities. Adjectives. It's not an entity, but characteristic of an entity. It's categorically different, and very important to distinguish.

For example, let's say someone worships Zeus, who has the virtue of Strength. That person is not worshiping Strength. He adores Zeus, not Strength. If Zeus somehow loses his Strength, that person is worshiping something that is not Strong. He fawns over Zeus but does nothing about it. He seeks no Strength on his own. Therefore he does not use his life to gain Strength. This means his worship of Zeus is meaningless, as it does him no good.

When someone worships Strength, it wouldn't matter if Zeus is gone. His faith will live on, and he will continue to strive for Strength. Other Gods who are associated with Strength won't make him waver in his worship.


This is straight up false. Worshiping is an action, and actions are real. They're activities which will be observed as "true" no matter the faith of those observe it. If you said what is worshiped is made up, instead, that that would be somewhat true.


Only when people add myths on top of those virtues, like what you're doing with your Lucifer and God talk. Virtues, by themselves, are nothing but qualities. They're not entities, and thus are not idols. This is why I'm very against your metaphysics talk. It taints something pure (virtues) with myths.

The purest feeling, the original meaning of worship, is act of adoration. You think of a virtue. You think that virtue is beautiful. You want that virtue. You yearn for it. You pray for it. Then, if you are truly wise, you will uphold it.


This is flat out wrong. Those idol worshipers worshiped nothing but idols. They worshiped no virtue. If they were worshiping virtues, they wouldn't get drunk or sacrifice humans and animals. Virtues don't demand anything. Virtues don't want sacrifices. Virtues are just virtues. They simply exist.

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I think you have a serious issue with not being able to see things as they simply are. You can't draw a line between definitions. You think that A can be B, and therefore A = B. It's flat out wrong on the logical basis. If you truly are a seeker of wisdom, I'd suggest learning some Buddhism. None of the myth ****s. Learn the original, moralistic, Buddhist teachings.

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Categorizations are not binding in this case. Because their foundations are fixed by choice.

Quran does not differentiate between idols and virtues without understanding of rejecting lords other than the God. Without realization of God, the message of acceptance and peace become idols. Even if you are a person that believes in peace and good of mankind, in the wrong hands, any virtue will become an enemy of humankind. This is what Quran talks about.

We have to realize that worshipping is not an accepted concept in Quran because religion itself is a made up concept according to Quran. It is not a way of life. It is simply and clearly a "debt" that has to be payed. It is a binding contract between humankind and the God itself. The relationship between a slave (abd) and master (Rabb) is the same between humankind (abd) and God (Rabb). A slave does not worship his/her master. He pays a presumptive debt to the master. That is not worshipping. That is accepting the master as his Rabb. But God claims to be the only master of all dimensions and things in it: "rabbil alemin". The debt that has to be payed exists because Adam had a baby with the prohibited family tree. Lucifer wants that debt for himself and that is he worked so hard to isolate his genes from the Adam genes. He wants to gain access to the special human gene.

It does not matter whether people do something they made up. That worshipping is not what is wanted in Quran. The only thing that the God wants is to be accepted as the only master. God wants people to be nonserviam.

For something true to become mythology, truth needs to be hidden and/or destroyed. Look at history. Look at news. Whenever the soldiers of "globalists" invade somewhere, before they capture oil reserves, banks, government buildings, the first place they enter and loot are ..... museums.... The first place they burn are ..... libraries. The first people they kill are .... intellectuals.. There is a reason for this. Read annuals. Read history. You will realize why things are the way they are.


None. None of these virtues are pure. They are idols. If they were so pure, Turkey wouldn't be full of Syrian refugees escaping from a terrorist country. These are all fake idols The virtues are real but the way they are actualized definitely is not. They are just instruments of deceit in the hands of a false God. And the eyes that are blended by them are those who refuse to look at the truth directly.

We are living another dark age during the 20th and 21st century. There are beings that are going to change this again soon.
I have seen what can be done to people using binaural beats and electronic glasses many years ago. There is something huge coming and we are going to live to see it.

Buddhism is a made up religion in Tibet. The Turks brought teachings of Monotheism to wherever they went and choose someone to create a monotheism suitable for the culture of that geography. They choose Buddha as the teacher and people gave him the name Shakyamuni (Saka God). Turks and Tibetans are relatives by marriage. Himalayas was a very important place for Turks. The As travelling to Himalayas were depicted as Flying Horses like they were flying over the hanging bridges between the mountains.

Saka is another name for Scythian. They were a confederation of two groups. The As (Ar) and the Oghuz (Ogur) ~ OQ.
The As were the intellectuals and the Oq were the fighters. Together all of those people were called Tur collectively.

In Persia the same group was depicted as winged tigers when creating zoroastrianism.

We need to read Mahabharata extensively and comparatively with every other myth around the world, make connections with religious text, religious hearsay like the hadith, four bible translations, and also have a look at ancient writings, tablets, pictograms, ideograms in order to have an idea about who really was who.

I think, some of the Turks here are the "bad guys" as in "enemies of humanity"; "the blue bloods". However they may be appearing as the good guys in some corrupted mythologies. OF course that is just a possibility at this point because we do not have any other source except what has been found. I believe all of the people in the word had become Turks at one point. And after the destruction of Tower of Babel, nations emerged. That of course was not something God did or want. But it was part of God's plan like everything else (you would need to think hard in order to grasp the idea here. But I suspect you wouldn't be able to, since you still believe that "a prophet had teachings". A prophet is just a vessel. He is not pure. He is a person and he can be wrong. I passed that point 20 years ago.

Somethings things are not simple. Life is not simple. Nothing is simple and nothing can be explained easily.
A is A and B is B. And sometimes someone uses Caesar cipher in order to shift A into B. At those times, you need to see that A is B.

Grank 说:

Now, what's the point of this? This is just my personal take on it, but it looks an awful lot that Islam wants people to worship virtues, and not idols. There's also a lot of focus put on not worshipping idols, and so Islam has nothing like the Christian cross. God is merciful, and that trait is beautiful. Therefore people should adore that mercy, and try their best to uphold it. To worship mercy, one will naturally have to be merciful too. Now, there are 99 written traits/names of God in Islam, so that will lead to being a really good person.

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It's great that you put an emphasis on the difference between idols and virtues.

They are the same thing when they are worshipped.

When talking about "words", one needs to explain what is being meant by word and that word. Don't just take my word. Think more.

There are two very important concepts in Quran and the essence of this book truly is something remarkable. These concepts are two Arabic words:

Abd and Rabb. If you read the Quran comparatively long enough and follow in my lucky disdained footsteps, you will realize certain aspects of the book and life in general.
Abd is a subordinate. Rabb is the opposite of that... To put things easy for people to understand, abd is the slave-the worshipper while Rabb is the master-the worshipped.
The book is all about advising people to refuse to be slaves and only accept God as the master even if they refuse God and its books.

Worshipping is a made up concept. The only thing worth worshipping is God even if you believe that it does not exist. Then you are free. The only superiority comes from knowledge and ability.

So the only thing islam wants people to do is to stop saying what is real is a lie and what is false is the truth. It is called islam. If people are unable to identify reality, they won't be able to become free and save themselves. The reason people are unable to identify reality is because they decide not to use their superior power and surrender to Lucifer. Thus Lucifer is able to use its voice in order to control and create an illusion in order to stop that person from identifying reality.

Islam definitely does not want people to worship virtues. Virtues become idols themselves when one starts worshipping them, thus turning the virtue into some kind of "righteousness" . Freedom, human rights... They are all idols when worshipped. The trick Lucifer keeps using since Adam is to use all the names of God to its advantage in order to create an illusion in the eyes of the people.

For example let's think about the idols worshipped by the Arabs when Mohammad became the vessel of God's words. People before that were not really concerned about the statues themselves. They regarded the virtues they represented, and those virtues were thought by humans but in reality, were given to people as a gift by God itself. When worshipped, any virtue was manipulated by the "satan" genes of people and will be until the end of time. People will gain power, and use the things they call righteousness in order to impose their will - puissance on others. Others who were being oppressed by some other righteousness.

Without God, freedom will become slavery. Without God, the right to live will become a deathwish. Without God, refugees will be seen as a nuisance who should live in Turkey in exchange for money and not people who need help (because of coups you created in the first place).

One story I really like which tells a story from this perspective is the story of Kingpriest of Istar from Dragonlance.

Grank 说:

This leads to why I think this thread is a load of barnacles. Focusing on metaphysics is like insisting that Muhammad's hair was curly instead of straight, and making a lot of theories based on it, instead of talking about Muhammad's teachings and how to implement them. It won't help you to be a better person.

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Vessels of God's words do not have teachings. Those so called teachings can only come from our "satan genes". Prophets (it is a false word) do not teach they channel words of God. They do not know what they say. They learn it as they say it to other people. Metaphysics is meta until you learn what it really is. When you are a "prophet", until you see a sign which proves otherwise, you are just a mad person. There are many examples like this in quran; prophets being afraid that they are mad.

MadVader 说:

Religion sucks because it's irrational and demands faith in the face of lack of evidence. This is dangerous thinking - once people stop questioning an authority, they can be manipulated to think and do stuff on faith.

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Yet you choose to live your life in faith that you will least be content with your life. You are born to this world with debt and in order to live like other human beings, you need to sell yourself for free and pay your debt to some people who you may not even acknowledge the existence of. That is called religion and blind faith. You are a very religious person like the rest of the people. Don't get me wrong. I feel for you. We are all in the same ship. It's just that I am delusional. It's all right.

Faith is a negative word in Quran. It is not shown as a good thing. That alone deserves more attention. I hate to keep saying this; What I know is most probably false. But in this case, what you know is definitely "more false". (damn.. How did you say "more false" in comparative and superlative form)

Grank 说:

Count Delinard told me to visit this forum because it apparently needs some love, and this thread was the first thing I saw.

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God is the only thing in the Universe which is outside of it and that does not vibrate. It is the singularity.

MadVader 说:

Don't even try talking about monetary policy, you will just confuse yourself.

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Don't worry. I have a diploma and I know that money sucks and people are stupid.

Have a look at this video series. You can turn on English subtitles. It's not perfect but it does the job.