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Qes 说:

Benkasim 说:

Qes 说:

Benkasim 说:

I will take out the additional diplomacy mod as well as the battle formation kit...leaving only the skirmish + pre-battle plan mod intact and upload it as an alternative download...so see if there is an improvement in the gameplay. I really like the diplomacy + battle formation mod but let's see how it goes.. I may tweak them abit for this upcoming alt version.

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Well, I really LIKE the diplomacy mod.  I grabbed yours specifically because it was like Diplomacy + Flavor.  I'd hate to sacrifice one for the other.
I dont think diplomacy is the root cause of slow down (during battle).  Battle Formations seem that way.  And I absolutely LOVE the shield wall. (So long as I'm playing nord).

So basically - I love what you've done.  I'd hate to see you tossing out things.  I know, I want my cake and also to consume said cake.
But I'm almost convinced that most of these issues merely require some tweakery, not all-out removal.

Perhaps getting into contact with the original makers of those parts might eliminate some difficulties?  Or perhaps they'd have insight as to how to streamline.  As of now, i'm willing to put up with a little lag for the extra fun your mod represents. I just saw the lag's removal as a longterm goal.

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It is not tossing them out but troubleshooting the problem.. I have to eliminate one factor at a time to see the cause of it. I will be upload an alternate version to get feedback if they encounter the same bugs...For the battle formation, I will just turn off the AI formation... It is disturbing to see the opponents just standing there waiting to be slaughtered..

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Yeah that makes sense. Although, now playing it more, I have a few more thoughts (on the current oct 15 build)

Tactical: (Battle)
1.  Formations are more trouble than they are generally worth.    It takes a lot of fussing to get people where I want them, and the backspace-overview function no longer works at all. I cannot direct my forces with a click.  It resets.
2. Skirmish is great.
3.  Shieldwall is less and less effective - (see 1).  This is mostly because with larger armies i want to accomplish more.  The more clicking required to get things into place means that single tactics work less often.    Also, since shieldwall doesnt really allow me the finesse of "where" i want them to set up (always to my left and it's a guess) it's usually better just to have them in ranks or "hold" on a hill.

Honestly, I wish that Infantry just naturally formed a few rows deep, rather than in a long line (shieldwall) instead of having to tell them to do this.  And then "hold" where ever would work fine.  If anything "come together" should be depth of ranks, and spread out should be the opposite.  Shield-walls should always be natural.
4. The "planning" function doesnt work at all.  Even if I set up plans, they are completely ignored and i HAVE to manually set my units every battle.
Conclusion - remove the battle formations thingy.  It's too much trouble for it's worth (and since the AI cant use it) it can probably be the first to go?  If possible, ONLY keep skirmish?  It's a completely separate button anyway.  It works exactly as needed (so far as I can tell).  If anything I wish it could be expanded to cavalry (run in, hit one thing, run away).  But i'm not sure that works.

Strategy (Map)
1. I altered the colors to suit my whims.  But when I finally conquered a castle (Ismerela), it was bright red.  I like my kingdom to be a nice royal purple.  It would be nice to have color selection IN game?  (Like with the banners)  I do remember that other mods have done this, but it might be a huge hassle.  As it is - i'd like to simply know why my kingdom was red.  All the other colors are what they're supposed to be.  My Patrols *were* purple.  But the castle name and village were red.  I was wondering if it was because i'm not a legitimate ruler?  I have outlaws and bandits set to red (easy to see).  So i've no earthly clue why everything "except" places are correctly colored.
2.  Maybe have the different factions choose their main-flag-banner at random at the start of a new game?  That way some of us could use those cool banners when we become uber ourselves.  I do really like that ONE banner flies over everything - that of the king.  Perhaps on the field of battle though, individual banners could still be realized.  So "Map" banners would be the king.  And Battle-banners could be individual lords?  If you could manage that, I might just giggle like a school girl.  (I didnt notice it if this is already the case - too busy with the slashing and the blood and the crying and the tears and what not)


Administration (interface)
1.  It would be nice to have many of the modules facets and features to be disable-able via the camp menu.  Generally "more customize-ability" in the camp menu for what features we want on and off would be great.
2.  I dont mind the EXP bug.    It should be fixed, but maybe put this low on the totem pole of bug triage.
3.  Diplomatic spam is annoying - but should also be on the low end of the triage.
4.  Faction relations report is useless, and more important than the spam.  I'm not sure if you can fix this.



If I repeat things, it's only so that it's all in one list and you dont have to go looking for them in other posts.  




EDIT/add:  I read more up on the skirmishing script.  It seems completely separate from the battle-formations scripts.  So it would likely be possible to keep that.

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Qes 说:

Benkasim 说:

I will take out the additional diplomacy mod as well as the battle formation kit...leaving only the skirmish + pre-battle plan mod intact and upload it as an alternative download...so see if there is an improvement in the gameplay. I really like the diplomacy + battle formation mod but let's see how it goes.. I may tweak them abit for this upcoming alt version.

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Well, I really LIKE the diplomacy mod.  I grabbed yours specifically because it was like Diplomacy + Flavor.  I'd hate to sacrifice one for the other.
I dont think diplomacy is the root cause of slow down (during battle).  Battle Formations seem that way.  And I absolutely LOVE the shield wall. (So long as I'm playing nord).

So basically - I love what you've done.  I'd hate to see you tossing out things.  I know, I want my cake and also to consume said cake.
But I'm almost convinced that most of these issues merely require some tweakery, not all-out removal.

Perhaps getting into contact with the original makers of those parts might eliminate some difficulties?  Or perhaps they'd have insight as to how to streamline.  As of now, i'm willing to put up with a little lag for the extra fun your mod represents. I just saw the lag's removal as a longterm goal.

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Strategist 说:

I like your mod and how can completely insane! I'm current a mercenary working for Swadia and short after that almost all the factions seem aimed against Swadia. It's completely nuts!

Okay, the most recent update and I have to, dude you REALLY need to fix your siege AI. The formation are really screwing the battle. Player soldiers are fine somewhat because we disband the formation. But AI soldiers aren't. When attacking a city during a siege they don't disband the formations and that's cause them to not go up the latter but instead charge head first into the wall of the city or castle. Player soldiers themselves also don't spread out along the wall, but instead jumble up all together above wherever the enemy. This really needs to be fixed and than you're probably better off removing the formation, because they can only work for field battles not sieges. It just draws the siege out for unnecessary long amounts of time and that makes it more annoying than fun when fighting sieges.

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silent.exclamation 说:

Even native AI use skirmishing; just watch khergits during a battle.

Love it, by the way - I had given up on mounted archers but this feature makes them awesome.  Huscarls+Khergits for the win.

Also - love the archer branch to Samurai.

I was wondering if you're planning on breaking up some of the remaining large factions more?  It works pretty well as-is, but Nords definitely took a hit compared to the rest   Good thing they're still godlike.

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Fenix_120 说:

Well I saw this mod and decided to give it a shot.


I Down loaded it this mourning and played it for a couple of hours, I have to say that over all I like it.


I know that some would argue that the factions are too similar to their native counterparts, but I on the other hand think the factions similarities work very well, you can Tell that the kingdom of Aran were Nords once, you can see plainly that the small Swadian-based faction by the sea (Sorry I don't remember their name but I keep wanting to call them Aragon for some reason)  were once brothers with the Swadians, so on and so forth.

The new mercs seem to fit in as well, and are now worth a damn 


I think that a few of the new cities could have been better "placed" on the world map but they all are functional so its ok, most of the new cities were placed well though.


One thing I did not like as much though is the new factions units, not that theirs anything wrong with the units themselves but rather with their tier system and the native tier system, seems to be a bit unbalanced to me.


For an example, the Berserker and Huscarl seem to be carbon copies of one another, yet the Berserker is a tier 3 unit as opposed to a Huscarl which is tier 6.


A real game killer for me was that faction in-between Swadia and the Khergits, Super elite heavy Calvary and low tier do not go hand in hand.


I do not know what your over goal's are, but I would ether add more in-between units for the new factions or remove some of them for the native ones to help balance this.

Over all though very well made mod and I look forward to your finished project!  Good luck man.

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Bazyl 说:

I have got once more a random experience boost for a second time in this game. I noted the boost :
+29 999 XP. Maybe the figures will help to find the reason. This time I gained just two levels.

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silent.exclamation 说:

Personal request - can you make the Samurai have an archer branch to their progression (slightly worse at power strike in exchange for some power draw points), or make them all have some archery ability?  I can change it with the troop editor, but if it's in the core game I would be much happy

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Grimmend 说:

Just played it for the first time and...wow, You really meant it when you had 'warring states' as the title.
Really love the mini factions, half of Calradia broke out in combat, and I barely got the first week done 
Looking forward to the mercenary guilds, liked them in the SoD mod, want to see more of it.
Kinda curious, but about how far are you into this mod?  I'm looking forward to this games' developement.
(By that, I mean how far are you from your 'ideal' vision of the game?  More factions, new map, overall big picture %-wise)

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Hunter7 说:

Bazyl 说:

To Hunter7

I would suggest to re-download both M&B Warband 1.32 and the Benkasim's mod.

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The Benkasim's Mod ?? where do i find it.

and for now the game works oké like the last time but i will see for how longer.
I did install everything clean again and now no problems  thanks fooks for your help.

only now i have to find Benkasim's Mod.

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Hunter7 说:

well it starts oké, but not.
see here whats happen when i start your new game  Warring_States II voor  M&B Warband 1.32

//Processing Ini File Finished
Loading Music...
Loading Textures...
Finished Loading Textures...
L8 Format is  unsupported
WARNING: UNABLE TO MAP GAME PRESENTATION CODE:  prsnt_game_start
WARNING: UNABLE TO MAP GAME PRESENTATION CODE:  prsnt_game_escape
WARNING: UNABLE TO MAP GAME SCRIPT CODE:  game_check_party_sees_party
Loading Module...
Loading item kinds...
Loading dialogs...
Loading mission templates...
Loading party templates...
loading time:  23592

rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_tutorial_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_start_new_game_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_resume_game_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_multiplayer_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_custom_battle_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_options_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_credits_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_quit_button" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_game_logo" in game_variables.txt
rgl_post_warning_line: Could not find any definition for GUI widget "initial_version_info" in game_variables.txt Finished All...

Frame# : 4912
Saving options...  OK!
Exiting network manager...  OK!
Deleting resources...  OK!
Exiting physics manager...  OK!


I see the screen where you could dicede to start the game or play malty player ect ect
But that screen is clean no possibility to make a change only red text on screen like the red lines here

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