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Yeah I find this annoying as well, I like the fact that they replenish fast, what I would prefer though is that there is a cooldown to restart a campaign for them, for example if they get destroyed they can get their armies up fast but they can only do solo actions or patrol their land not go back to the marshall as soon as they got destroyed.

I never capture lords except if sadistic or bad tempered and for being "upstanding" those lords do seem to abuse my kindness quite a lot especially after beating them 5 times in a row in the same war and coming right back at me the next day.

Yeah he finally gifted Windholm to me, I'd like to rebel I have a lot of friends but I'm kinda afraid to do so, my kingdom is very powerfull I don't really know how I could take them on especially when they are led by a marshall.

Lord Irontoe 说:

steunwell 说:

Is getting a city that important ? I have 3 castles currently so I don't think I'll get another fief...

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Cities are much better. They generate more income, you can autorecruit from 3-4 villages instead of just 1, they've got all your basic services and can host tournaments. Plus if you build all the improvements, the city will love you and give you better prices in the marketplace

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Yeah so how can I make up for that now ? Can I still receive a city or is 3 castles too much ? I took a 3rd castle because Ulric wouldn't accept to give me cities.

Is getting a city that important ? I have 3 castles currently so I don't think I'll get another fief...

k0nr@d 说:

"I mean I should have just put 300 peasant to deter the single lords of siegeing it ..."
Just to clear it: in POP number of troops is not as important as their strength e.g. from game perspective 1 Legionnaire = ~13 Peasants.

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Ok thanks, on a side note how does peace happen between factions ? How can I influence it to happen quickly when I want to ?

Evvv 说:

Do you think 450 should be able to defeat 2100 men? It's the way of war - you are defeated and fall back, you regain your strength and counter-attack, etc etc.

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Yeah but then that's my question, what's the point of garrison ? I mean I should have just put 300 peasant to deter the single lords of siegeing it if I know it's going to get taken by the enemy and I'll have to retake it, why even bother trying to defend it ?

madboy 说:

steunwell 说:

I still don't get how to reliably hold something in this mod, I had a castle for quite some time, founded CKO ect...

I accumulated a garison of 450 people (100 elite archers, 100 legionnaires, rest is random guys and mostly trash maybe 30 elite cavalry.)

I thought I was safe because I had it for quite some time now and the garison seemed pretty good to me but then 2100 D'Shar came to fight me and my 450 guys and there's just no way to beat them for me, there's just too many to fight how can you do it ?

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you actually can beat them, much depends on the fief itself (some are very easy to defend) and your defense style. which castle was it?

honestly I prefer having 3 times more Ravernstern Wardens and Heavy Inf to elite 100 each. the rule is "quality over quantity" UNLESS the numbers are overwhelming. that way you would have 800+ men. see any difference?

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It was Saidu Sharif south of Singal, I'll try to garrison the way you said but it seems quite long to gather that amount of men.

I still don't get how to reliably hold something in this mod, I had a castle for quite some time, founded CKO ect...

I accumulated a garison of 450 people (100 elite archers, 100 legionnaires, rest is random guys and mostly trash maybe 30 elite cavalry.)

I thought I was safe because I had it for quite some time now and the garison seemed pretty good to me but then 2100 D'Shar came to fight me and my 450 guys and there's just no way to beat them for me, there's just too many to fight how can you do it ?

Evvv 说:

Yeah, I'm fairly sure that a combination of Warband, Warframe, and Warcraft has destroyed the cartilage in my hands.

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The garrison screen alone destroyed mine, I'm still amazed how after so many years the devs didn't improve the UI for garrison and prisonner, hope they will for Bannerlord.

But I'll gladly keep sacrificing my hands just to sell a couple of pilgrims and a farmer sitting in my castle.

Ralyks 说:

They'll drop them there and you will be able to sell their prisoners for some juicy and free money wrist tendinitis from the hundreds of prisonners types and warband abysmal UI.

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FTFY.

I tried foot archer, I ended up only using a 2hander because it sucked too much.

You can't reposition fast so if they have shields you won't do much because they won't turn their backs that much, you'll end up telling yourself "if only I had a horse" the whole time.

Are there any plans to give Sarleon some love ?
I love their troop style and faction looks but they feel so weak compared to others, especially when considering they usually are getting ganged up by everyone.

I mean their shield infantry is one of the worst, their halberdiers are good, but not the best (empire has better pikemen while still having far better ranged units and competent noble cavalry which is wierd to me)

Their archers aren't bad, but they're far from amazing as well, especially considering the fact that they have a longbow and can spawn with a shield instead of 2 quivers (all those things stacked up as well as lower pros compared to both D'Shar and Ravenstern top archers makes them a lot weaker than those.)

Their cavalry is ok.

I think the goal of Sarleon was to make an all around type of faction but when you look at them and compare to others there's specialized factions who have better troops than them, I don't mind ravenstern having better archers because it's their thing but far better infantry ? Same with the empire they have far better ranged and infantry, D'Shar also has far better infantry (as well as slightly better polearm infantry), better archers (better bow and not a long one, as well as more pros) and on top of that a competent non noble cavalry that can be recruited a lot more easily.


I think one of the several would greatly help them (multiple would be way too much, they don't need a strong buff imo, just bump every soldier up a bit or give them an area where they are better)

- 2 top tier infantry instead of one, keeping the halberdier and adding another heavy armored foot knight (fitting with the faction) OR adding it as a noble infantry.
- Removing the shield on bowmen, giving them a bit more pros (20-30) to even them a bit with the D'Shar bowmen.
- Bumping down the man at arms level, right now they are level 31, which means it's as hard to train halberdiers as training hero adventurers (talking passive training here) which makes no sense to me considering the power gap between the two units.

If those would make them too op, I'd say the noble foot knight would be my preferred one as it would add diversity to their army and give them a slight power up (since it's a noble it won't be accumulated as fast as simple recruits.

They're a very good addition but too op imo so I don't use them.

I really like Tolrania but they seem very underwhelming to use especially vs Elintor, how do you use them effectively in field and siege battles ? I don't know if getting many hackers is a good move since they don't have shields, and their archers don't seem to really be that great compared to others.

grelo 说:

steunwell 说:

How do you deal with an enemy death train at your doors (Like the whole 3k+ Empire host who chose to specifically siege your castle), I currently have one castle I've put a lot of people in garrison (470) I have hundreds of peasants recruits and some random mercs, it does deter the common lord to siege it but if a whole host comes down on me I don't know what to do.

I'd like to get an efficient garrison now, I thought about 200 elite troops and then maybe 200-300 trash peasant.

So maybe I'd do 50 ranged units and 150 melee, I'll take RR for ranged but for melee I don't really know if I should take shock infantry (Berserkers / Hallberdiers / Gladiators) or conventional infantry (Legionnaires and Kierguards) what's best for a defensive siege ?

I don't really know what to do in defensive siege, I just lost my castle (500 vs 1000) as I didn't have time to train any elite (must have had like 30 real elite infantry) on a side note people say that having a polearm in sieges is very good but I don't know how to use it, I'm using the manopener, I do great damage when I hit but I rarely hit anything since the thing is so frickin big...

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I personally use 80% distance units to 20% infantry units + I have 352 prof in archery along with power draw 8 combined with Ullr Vest Manifest and 2x bags of noldor arrows which enables me to take more than 300 kills at ease (1k units vs 3k while defending). Ranvenstarn rangers, pendor archers, EAC, anything that shots is good. My CKO have 400~ thrown weapon prof and it enables them to take some heads down while defending as well, yet I do not have that many (like 50 elite troops from my own CKO).

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I don't have any PD yet as I don't use bows so all I can do is use Polearms (350 PF), I don't understand how archers can be better than infantry in defensive sieges, when I use them, they spawn all over the place, some will spawn at places where they will get into melee range and die for nothing, and infantry doesn't really hold the chokepoint well if not in numbers because in a 1000 armies they will throw like 100 of knights of the lion for example.

How do you deal with an enemy death train at your doors (Like the whole 3k+ Empire host who chose to specifically siege your castle), I currently have one castle I've put a lot of people in garrison (470) I have hundreds of peasants recruits and some random mercs, it does deter the common lord to siege it but if a whole host comes down on me I don't know what to do.

I'd like to get an efficient garrison now, I thought about 200 elite troops and then maybe 200-300 trash peasant.

So maybe I'd do 50 ranged units and 150 melee, I'll take RR for ranged but for melee I don't really know if I should take shock infantry (Berserkers / Hallberdiers / Gladiators) or conventional infantry (Legionnaires and Kierguards) what's best for a defensive siege ?

I don't really know what to do in defensive siege, I just lost my castle (500 vs 1000) as I didn't have time to train any elite (must have had like 30 real elite infantry) on a side note people say that having a polearm in sieges is very good but I don't know how to use it, I'm using the manopener, I do great damage when I hit but I rarely hit anything since the thing is so frickin big...

Is waiting for lords asking for ransom better than ransomming them yourself ? Prices seems higher (maybe it was because it was a different lord) but it looks kinda like a gamble considering the time it takes and that sometimes they peace out leaving you with no lords.

How can you make use of a balanced army as opposed to a full cavalry army ? Each time I try to make a balanced party I just get more losses than I would with a full cavalry force (though it becames extremely tedious to fight after reaching 80-100 size due to horse blocking.)

Especially when transitionning from mercenary to vassal, you'd want to get some elite infantry and ranged infantry for siege but without good trainers you'll need to fight battles, the problem is that enemy cavalry causes a lot of casualties that wouldn't happen if going full cavalry.

Side question : Isn't Sarleon really underpowered ? They seem to have very weak infantry (Top tier is useless on it's own because no shield and the one before that will get butchered vs other top tier infantry), weak archers (Can even spawn with just one quiver because of the shield), now of course they have very powerful cavalry but I just don't see how it is balanced compared to other factions.

I know I should make 50% FH / 50% EAC to take castles but for once I wanted to play with them and I can't really understand how you're supposed to take a castle with such weak infantry and archers.

Thanks for the quick answer, I took a quest from the adventurers guild telling me to kill a peasant party, but now the guys won't let me give back the quest even though it says I can give it back by talking to him, how do I give back the quest ?


Also I can't use the new orders (formations ect..) when I select a troop category they pop up and pop out right away leaving only the default ones (F1, F2, F3), how can I use them ?

Hey I'm coming from Pop, I'd like to know if there was any way to increase stats like Qualis Gems does in Pendor and if not what would be a recommended leadership level to aim for late game so I save some points for that.