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alexandırnediyonsen 说:

u hawe to us trl + f4 subed duber magical power against those seneaky sonovabices

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Yeah, but that would be lame, I want to see my enemies as I kill them...
And I was meaning, "is it posible without cheats?"
But yeah, I wanna keep them as friends, so I guess it doesn't matter.

This is my story...  it's called, "Noldor are a ***** to fight."

After getting a few castles and raising a decent army, I befriended the Noldor and got a brilliant idea of attacking the castle. (I knew there was no way to win, but I wanted to test the battle, so I enabled cheats after saving.)

Me and my men approached the castle ontop of the hill and my men were slaughtered long before we reached the ladder. Me and my nearly immortal self(cheats) reached the wall after a long  struggle of climbing the ladder and being knocked back down again, over and over. I reached the wall and was knocked into the courtyard where I endured a tremendous onslaught of arrows. I attempted to climb the stairs to the walls again and again but was acctually being forced backwards by the arrows.


Due to my magical healing powers I was able to survive long enough to kill 2 Noldor archers who fell off the walls. After a few more minutes even my healing abilities were beginning to fail as I was knocked farther into the open courtyard and my shield was battered to pieces. With my strength gone, my men dead and my body being riddled full of arrows, not even my healing abilities could save me. I fell to the ground in defeat and breathed my last.

And now I ask myself, "Is it even posible to beat the noldor castle?".

Awesome, that'll help, alot. Is there an easy way of telling which scene it is, or do I just have to guess?

Also, is there a way to get a larger scene, so that I can have more room?
And... if I were to create a water scene, is there a way to change the backdrop area to be water?
Im working on the city of paris and trying to make it as historical as possible, but I cant have a river that ends at the edge of the "scene".

Again, thank you for your time, I'm sure you have better things to do than answer my stupid questions. lol

Thanks guys, it's nice to be able to get quick help anytime, you all are great modders. Adorno, I love your historic castles.

and here's my AI mesh, it's still a bit... well you'll see. I've been working alot the last few days, so havn't had a chance to work on anything.
You can see what the wheels are doing, I remember now that the reason they wern't comming in, was because I saw that they were messed up and deleted them.


Here some of my guys run into the wall of the tower, but most don't, there were about 85 of my guys in this battle, so...

I worked some more on the AI mesh after posting this and I looked at some other guys pics of AI mesh and everything was more square than mine, mine looked like ****. I had vertices in edges of walls and was just all over the place. I usual don't spend alot of time on it and it usualy works fine. I changed most of it. Got my units to get on the wall with warbands big siege tower. I still have to work on the defenders reinforcements mesh area, but its working better. Ill get some pics of the AI mesh up tomorrow.

Oh and I never asked the question? why don't most mods create huge castles, does it slow peoples machines?

And Is it posible to create alternate siege scenes, so that randomly selects one?
For example having one where there is a wall breach, or one where you use ladders, or one with siege tower, or posibly(if someone created one) you have a battering ram at the gate.
Anyways, not saying someone needs to do it, just is it posible?

Yeah, I think it's a good idea, or you could just have horses very rare. Maybe a like all horses require riding level 10, or just have like a breeding effect with stables that have to be built in a castle or city that produce a few horses over time. And have horses very expensive and only special units upgraded in castles can have them.

I remember the sword of damocles mode had the upgradeable units in castles thing, so something like that, just adds horses to fully upgrade units.

Hey, i'd be willing to help build scenes, if i had the moddels of the buildings. I havn't done much scene building, just a bit with a few of mods i've downloaded, making the scenes the way i want, but i always end up messing up the spawn points and everything. villagers always end up running into walls. I actualy modified some of the scenes for the demo of PW. Modifying inside of the castles i can do, but still have problem when i attack. But if someone taught me how to corectly place spawn points i can maybe help out. i've been waiting for this mod forever, and know alot of us have, so we all need to get togather, figure it out, and help them finish this mod, it's fking sick and i can't wait to play it.

petka3 说:

If anyone can make a mod about early Biblical times. Like Joshua and the Israelites conquering Cannin. Also (sorry if this is the wrong place to put this how do you install mods that are in Microsoft Word? Thank you.

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Dude, ya, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I actualy was going to make a suggestion like this.We need more BC mods. But ya, like have the isralites like a small nation with fewer armys, but just really bad ass. Living in tents and stuff. I love the kind of armor they used back then, alot of scale armor. I think weddingdance is working on chairiots or something, that would be sick. There is like no other sorries of nations where like 2 or 3 guys can go up against an army of 1000 and win. Oh, and have like your capanions the mightymen or something. Anyways, it would be sick.

YOU WANNA GET HIGH???

Ya, i looked at it. And ya, no hard feelings, at least you weren't a douche bag about it. And ya, it's a fictional time. Oh, and there are mods in the time of the revolutionary war, and I know for a fact that they used those horses then to pull stage coaches. So, by saying that they didn't have big horses back then, well when you're not sure when back then is, it's kinda hard to prove that they weren't there.
Anyways, it was nice to go research it, have a great day everyone. And thanks for a good discussion. 

Armatus 说:

NikeBG 说:

For me, it show's me no link.

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Here you go.

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Thanks Nike, for anyone else with their blinders on here's the post in full color:


http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,79357.msg2057887.html#msg2057887

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What exacly is that suposed to prove, i couldn't se what was in the link. is showed this:
"THE MEDIEVAL
WARHORSE
FROM BYZANTIUM
TO THE CRUSADES
Ann Hyland
with a Foreword by
Michael Prestwich
COMBINED BOOKS
Pennsylvania
  Questia Media America, Inc. www.questia.com

Publication Information: Book Title: The Medieval Warhorse from Byzantium to the Crusades. Contributors: Ann Hyland - author. Publisher: Combined Books. Place of Publication: Conshohocken, PA. Publication Year: 1996. Page" 


So I looked at the one for those with blinders still on. It just talked about horses nowadays. We were talking about back then... remember. 
But hey, at least you posted a link.

NikeBG 说:

As I previously said, if that wasn't so, then we could ask the question - why didn't they breed warhorses as big as Indian elephants, which would be much scarier and do much greater damage than the common destriers?
Also, as Armatus pointed out quite clearly, it's not only a matter of size, but also of strength. Otherwise, the African tribes would have conquered the whole world by now with their giraffe cavalry.

P.S. About the regional differences between horse size - absolutely fully agree. Especially because of the different styles of mounted warfare f.e. in the open steppes where light and fast horses were much prefered.

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The reason they didn't have them the size of elephants is the same reason they don't today, one probably because most likly isn't possible, and two because the size of a clydesdale is the biggest they can get them before their wieght is to much for their bones.

And giraffes arn't tame enouph to ride into battle, and can you imagen how hard that would be? Come on, don't be that foolish.  But ya, strength did matter, you do have a point there.

But about people saying they couldn't affored breeders breeding them, well chances are they didn't have to, there woud be breeders that bred them that sell them to them. But i'm pretty sure if you can affored a castle, you can affored a horse. And when you breed to big horses, you don't get a small one again. So, it wouldn't take a long time, once they have a sustainable population of really big horses.
Sources, to many to put up, most of them r probably not reliable. I posted 2 links, but who knows if they are just someone saying what they think.

Oh, and im done argueing. I don't care anymore. If you guys want to believe it, go ahead. But, this has been a really stupid argument.

Armatus 说:

You've shown? What was the name of your documentary? Lolz, again people refuse to read what's been quoted. All you two are doing is over generalizing a possibility, based on what...? Some suggestive evidence and your preconceived ideas, that's far from proof. But before you replay to me directly I'll ask that you invalidate my sources that would suggest it not as common as you think. Overall it's not a matter of warhorses being small at all, it's the build and sturdiness of it, and in relation to the size of the average milite, their prosperity, and their racial/cultural heritages.

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Dude, I would love to see your source, but where you say,

Armatus 说:

Check the link below the cover, there's a full scan of the book online and you can even reference the illustrations. Not sure if it will limit your viewing without registration or not, but I was able to view several pages.

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For me, it show's me no link.

But chances are, that the size of the horse depends on a region that you are talking about, for example, the Percheron lived in an area called La Perche in France. Your little tiny horses may have lived in Imagenation land, or like any where else where horses can have huge difference in sizes. The funny thing is, I don't see you guys going on the treads with fantasy creatures and argue about weather they're real or not. So, lets just say, we would like a mod with some fantasy creatures, called overgrown horses that for some reason have names of real horses and for some reason are the same size as REAL horses. BUT ARE STILL CONSIDERED IMAGENARY.

General Alexander 说:

All you have to do is look at the evidence, they had big horses back then. Weather they used them in battle, non of us can prove. But, this post isn't about that, it's about weather or not we want we would like big horses in M&B. If you don't want them, this isn't the right tread for you. It seems that it isn't possible, so, really this thread is useless for all of us.

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Still you all don't get my point. I'm done arguing, think what you like.

Gzdnkh 说:

Oh, and I didn't have a state education, until college. I was homeschooled, my dad used to be a history teacher, all the history books I used, he made sure were credible.

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So your father being a punch bag in highschool or mocked by his fellow college students or whatever made him untrust state education is a proof of your good education. You wouldn't recognize logic if it came out of bushes and kicked you in the nuts.

Just curious: Are you a member of Great USA Nation?

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No, he wasn't a punch bag, he was student body president in highschool. But im not going to argue that with you, who realy cares how popular he was? Back when he was teaching state education was actualy a good education. But, my education makes no difference, I have valid points, and that's what matters. And Ya, im from the USA. Why would it make a difference anyways? Im not one of those ones that look down on everyone else. I am somewhat sorry for getting so pissed off at Tibertus, I shouldn't have started cussing like i did. I apologize.

Ironfounderson 说:

• We still have remaining equipment that was used on medieval horses. It fits pretty well on a fairly normal-sized modern horse, so they may have been a little smaller or a little larger, but not signficantly so. And, of course, there's also such things as actual horse bones.
• We have the bones of people who lived back then. They were slightly shorter, on average, than people today, on average. Most of this was due to the nutrition they received, as most of them were peasants. If you haven't taken a look at it yet, read this.

This is how we find this stuff out: either we dig up the bones by ourselves, we research primary sources, or we read reliable secondary sources.

As far as the topic of this thread goes, the answer to the question seems to be: no. There are no mods where the horses are larger. It might be possible to make the riders smaller, but such a mod does not seem to exist right now.

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All you have to do is look at the evidence, they had big horses back then. Weather they used them in battle, non of us can prove. But, this post isn't about that, it's about weather or not we want we would like big horses in M&B. If you don't want them, this isn't the right tread for you. It seems that it isn't posible, so, really this thread is usless for all of us.

NikeBG 说:

And that (as well as the following posts of WereWolf and General Alexander), ladies and gentlemen, is why recruits have such a hideously bad name around here (not saying it's deserved, since there are a few recruits who are actually quite ok).

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Being a recruit has nothing to do with you're knowledge of history. Everything I have said, has been using logic, or credible sorces.

Riro 说:

Ok...my question wasnt answered....all of you that thinks horses were small: Whats the point in having small horse? Why not have some big warhorse that crushes enemy much more? Why do you think small horse can be more effective? And about what do you said "people are posting without sources"...everything that was said about horses are too small in mab is purely logical...

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Exactly, What's the logic in their statments, we've shown that big horses lived back then, If you're a rich knight/king, why not have one? For them, it can't be to big of a problem to hire a trained breeder. Anyone still argueing against our point, oviously fails to see the evidence.

I've have searched and searched for evidence. I really don't know what to tell you all, but I found multiple websites saying that middevil warhorses, around 1100 AD., sometimes exceded 24 hands (A hand=4inches). Personaly i find that hard to believe. A horse 8 feet tall, a little to big. I also found some websites saying that they got no larger than 14 hands, 4.6 feet tall? Ya, i don't think that's hold the wieght of a full grown man and armor. But the websites said that our modernday Clydesdales and Perchrons were called destriers. IDK, i don't know everything about horse. Non of us lived in the time, so we don't know for sure. Here's a few links, take a look for yourself.

http://www.medieval-life-and-times.info/medieval-knights/knight-on-horse.htm
http://www.percheron.ca/history.htm

Oh, and I didn't have a state education, until college. I was homeschooled, my dad used to be a history teacher, all the history books I used, he made sure were credible.

Well a text book is going to be more credible than wikipedia, or what other website you go to. And I've heard that people used to be much bigger, the human race is getting smaller every generation, of course that varies on how prosperous the people are. But fossle records show that people are getting smaller, not bigger. You think you're right, I think I'm right, but argueing wont change ether of our minds. And yes I've seen painting, some with big horses, others with small. Still make's no difference, it would be the rich (Knights, Kings, etc.) that would have the big horses, as they were fairly rare.  You also have to understand that the art of painting was still... in development stages, I guess you counld say. Show me real proof that there wern't those horses in those times and I'll believe you.... 

oh wait, you can't proove that something didn't exsist...
but sometimes you can proove that it did. 

Like I said, a source can mean nothing, just that i remember reading it in a history book, about what the knights use. But on top of that, why the hell would they not be in the middle ages? If they were as small as the are in M&B, they might as well be riding donkeys. lol. But whatever, i didn't post to argue, just wanted to let the kid know i agreed with him. I don't really care what kind of horses are in M&B, I rarely play the game anymore, just was looking for new mods. And of course i have to deffend my post. lol. I will look into it more, though to see if you guys have even a little bit of a valid point.

Tibertus 说:

God, I ****ing hate all these new kids that come in an just have no clue what they're talking about. Those breeds you listed, weren't even around in the middle ages. I've posted sources saying warhorses were short, and you all still are ****ing oblivious.

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I believe you were talking about what I said here:

General Alexander 说:

i totally agree, the horses are way to small. And where some of u got the idea that they used small fast horses in battle... I have no clue. But they used mostly large horses like, Belgians, Shires, Clydesdales, and Percherons. They wanted them big so they could crush people easier and be stronger and more dangerous, not for speed. Someone should make a modifier thingy that changes horses for all mods, so u have different kinds, and then on those different kinds of horses you have different hights, weights, speeds, and armors.

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And yes they ****ing were in the middle ages. What makes you think that just because you have some source, that it's true. It's the ****ing internet!!! Anyone can put their bull **** up! The only reason I know about these breeds is because they're in the history books. The knights used big ****ing horses because small one's couldn't handle the weight of all that armor. And because they're more ****ing effective for crushing you're enemies. And about me being a "New Kid", well I'm not, i played M&B long before a created an account on the forum, I just don't sit on my ass all day *****ing about other people's ****ing comments. Damn, man, you're the one that is "****ing oblivious". Anyways, I was just agreeing with the person that started the thread. Horse be to damn small!!!!!