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Papa Lazarou 说:

A lot of people complain that 2h spam is unbeatable. I don't think that's true at all, but that doesn't mean they should just "learn to deal with it." Maybe the game should teach them to deal with it. The game has good combat mechanics that mean every weapon has a chance, but not an even chance,  against every other - so it should bloody well make sure all the players know that. Blaming playes for not knowing is a bad idea if you're trying to improve your game.

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I'm not blaming them for not knowing, but for not wanting to know. Some just don't want to learn - they want the universe to revolve around them. And I'm not here to change mentality or debate with their emotions.


Newbie #1: "2H weapons are unfair! Do something!"
Newbie #2: "Hello, I've been having problems fighting 2H weapons and could use some tips, thanks."

Community response #1: " *roll eyes* "
Community response #2: "Hello new player, welcome to the game community, enjoy your stay. If you have problem fighting 2H weapons you can approach the issue tactically - by buying throwing weapons and learning how to switch weapons properly, by going archer/xbow, by going cavalry - or strategically (not playing on servers with non-medium combat speed or no adequate melee friendly fire) - or you can approach the problem head-on skill-wise and learn good footwork with 1H+shield, learn what is a proper distance, learn how to facehug, how to turn into a swing, learn about sweet spots, learn basic manual blocking in case shield breaks, learn that once your shield breaks you have to block/dodge next hit because you're stunned.. There's a guide over there / this is how I do it.."


As you can see, first case just turns thread into spam/trolling. Second case turns the thread into one with very useful feedback.
Not to mention the fact that not using Search option is often considered impolite and a breach of netiquette.

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Yoshi Murasaki 说:

Oh this is one of those threads: "Hello, I'm inexperienced and just started playing multiplayer, but let me teach you how proper balance should look like."

How about you take 2H weapon and show us ha?

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so everyone who says that the 2h are imbalanced are einter newbies or inexperienced?

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No, but everyone who fails at logic should stay out of debates.


My point: Inexperienced people should not make judgements.
Your conclusion: Oh so no one should make judgements wtf?!


"and am coming from a newbie perspective.
I've played the campaign through about 4 times and considered myself pretty decent at the combat. That is, until I went online"

He says he's a newbie. Fair enough. He comes from singleplayer. Singleplayer does not teach you how to fight, it teaches you how to amass heavy cavalry. You consider yourself "decent at the combat" because your Knights beat forest bandits. Then you come to multiplayer and woah everything is unfair. Shields, 2H, horses, xbows/bows, kicks, footwork - we have threads for everything being overpowered and underpowered.


I'm ok with serious debates - when Urist or some other experienced player comes and says "this should be adjusted/fixed". But newbies should play the game and leave evaluation to experts, until they become experts. Of course, that doesn't happen because we live in democracy, which teaches that everyone's opinion is of equal value. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.

I don't mind the F words etc, but a lot of discussion is crossing the limits and personally I think it justifies kicks and bans. People should learn some manners, we're not in a pigster.

Oh this is one of those threads: "Hello, I'm inexperienced and just started playing multiplayer, but let me teach you how proper balance should look like."

How about you take 2H weapon and show us ha?

Yes you can get it for free.

Once you buy your first car, every other car will be for free. So buy the cheapest char on sale and then ask for Ferrari, for free of course.

Then what the hell am I doing wrong? Slow weapon? Lag on server? Bad ping? My computer? I know when I block wrongly, but sometimes I see how I hold the sword and it clearly goes through.



Ah well, more practice I guess.

Just last week? This game crashes for me all the time. Every now and then.

Comparably, I can't remember that Guild Wars ever crashed on my computer. Or other games. Maybe, like once a year if even that.

Well this has been going no for as long as I remember.

Just few minutes ago I play cRPG and I respawn in Siege as defender only to be hit and killed by someone standing next to me before I even managed to react and see wtf is going on.

Or, even more annoying thing I encounter as a ninja - I sneak from behind, clear tower or section A of the wall, move down/left/right only to have enemy archer/xbowman etc spawn right behind me at the place I cleared and shoot me from behind after I made 5 steps. Come on. Say, you clear a tower and stand on the stairs aiming with your xbow down, hoping to kill someone who will pass through. But alas! Enemy incarnated right on top of the tower you're "guarding", 5 steps near you, and kills you.

Ozwan 说:

PS. Anyone got an idea if theres a petition somewhere to remove that joke of a race which Asura is? It will totally ruin GW2. 

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Hah, we're going into offtopic now but I have to say I hate the mechanized GW2. Asuras are "demons" in Hindu mythology btw   I dislike them, they look like Gremlins, their golems will just ruin PvP if not even PvE. But what I fear the most are firearms. Although, I checked GW2 videos (gameplay ones, not profession intro) and I don't think I'll play it at all. It just lacks.. something.

I don't know where to check level (age?) but I'm at 284378 xp. I use basic armor (Khergit Lady Dress) because it looks adorable (female char). I have Staff and Boulder on a Stick. Now that I got this Boulder I'm afraid of no one in melee and I can actually kill. So it's becoming playable

Oberyn 说:

For someone purporting to like teamwork and tactics you sure seem to focus on k/d a lot.

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Nothing supports team better than good oldfashioned kill. Before that, you can pretend you're very useful but let's face it you're not. Yes you can distract the enemy sometimes but how long till you get bored of being cannon fodder? Sure I can throw rocks around which miss anyone and if they hit they deal 1 damage. Right.

and if your ego can't take a few hours as a peasant

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Oh please, I always play as a Rhodok.

PS: I just noticed this as well, I can't believe you said with a straight face that you didn't need to grind to be effective in PvP in Guild Wars.

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Oh please. In GW you start at lvl20 in PvP - same as everyone else. Have access to max armor and max weapons. And, provided you did not buy PvP Pack, you only need to "unlock" 7 skills (8th is rez) and even that only if you don't play singleplayer at all or if none of these 7 is amongs those automatically unlocked.

Alright I gave cRPG another try and 2nd impressions:

* The game is unplayable at early levels. Don't know about later, I'm not there yet. By unplayable I mean, unplayable. I feel like a child surrounded by pedophiles who are trying to touch me, and I am completely helpless.

* Good things: poll creator is shown, poll results too
* Night. Yes, different atmosphere. For some reason known only to developers, there is no weather in Native and it's always morning.
* Whistling. While I don't care about it, it shows what can be done. Native misses sounds of horns etc, as I mentioned in my suggestion thread.
* I really like the clothes, and the fact that I can play and look elegant and not trash.
* Ability to save armor and weapon setup instead of clicking each time and selecting everything manually.


Edit: ok, I take back of some of the things I said. I still some manual blocking here and there and tactical aspect is certainly worse because of how xp is gained, but aside of horse tank players I think when I get somewhat better weapons it will be playable.

Edit #2: Actually I really don't think this grind is for me, because that's what it is. After quite a lot of time spend gaining xp and other ****, I'm still unable not to kill someone, but to damage someone. I had 1 kill entire day - that's ridiculous. Just proves my point - grind favors those who don't go to school, don't work, have nothing to do in life but login and play games. I just don't find it fun, but carry on..

Yoshi Murasaki 说:

2H players were pretty much top on the charts, above 1H+shield players - but I admit this was also because they were more skilled

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Actually never mind, I reinstalled the game. I think it had more to do with the players.


From my new experience I'd say 1H+shield is much better than 2H now, with some exceptions (great hammer).

Like, I take Great Sword vs Nords and.. unless it's a duel it's near impossible to do anything. IMO

King of Scotland 说:

Yoshi Murasaki 说:

That and the other one from the same author are the best Warband (Native) multiplayer videos I've seen. The others either have horrible music that makes me feel as if I was Guantanamo prisoner under torture, or they show too much of the same. These videos on the other hand show almost everything - from siege to field battles, from throwing weapons to shields breaking. And technically well done.

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So what is the problem? They could be perfect intro videos.

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I'm not a game developer and maybe they don't feel like paying the guy just to buy the right to display his videos.

What I'm more concerned about is that there are no good game trailers that would advertise the game. These videos would be 10x better than anything official that exists. Putting one of these on the main website would attract customers IMO and would be worth it, but I'm no ad expert.

looy 说:

Everybody skips them after the first 2/3 times. Literally not worth the effort.

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I don't like always-showing ingame videos either and I block them (I deleted the one from game folder so I don't have to skip that one every time in MnB).

But you can still make use of the videos elsewhere, and even in the game there's nothing wrong with video displaying the first time. Some games have it that they show intro video on first load, but not each time you load the game - that's ok. So say, you load the game, the above (battle) video shows once. You skip it if you want. Then when you click on multiplayer the above siege video shows.. and if you skip it doesn't show again.

Simple, and IMO good for mood. First impressions are important, although I think the game does good job at that as is.

Gurnisson 说:

Second one. You didn't say so, but as far as I could read, you implied that cRPG consisted mostly of spammers. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you implied.

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Yea you're right, but consisting mostly of spammers doesn't equal no skill involved. After all, you need skill to even install the game..   But let's not go into offtopic too much, it really isn't that important issue. After all, people play cRPG because they get more fun that way, I play Native for same reason. If we just look at the skill then we could argue that singleplayer is pointless as well. Obviously there are more things involved..

looy 说:

Honestly, if cRPG used a sidewards leveling system (you gain access to different but not better gear) instead of a straight leveling system (high level gear is almost always better) I'd probably play it all the time. But the current system is more like runescape than M&B.

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More like Guild Wars system? For those who didn't play Guild Wars, the game caps your level at 20, and everyone can have same weapons when it comes to 'power' - but people still compete over who will have the coolest looking armor and weapon skins (ok and some other things).

So if cRPG allowed us to play with different attribute configuration, and skill configuration (but everyone has same amount of points), that might be interesting. Although I'm pretty sure everything would come down to few 'builds' and that's it.

Same with weapon and armor skins: being able to take any weapon that exists in the game and any armor would enrich the gameplay.


But to be honest, none of these will attract enough players I'm afraid. People want leveling and that's it. I don't think that cRPG should be something it's not.

chadz 说:

It all started as a little test if it's possible to assign different players different stats and equipment. Mainly because everyone, especially modders, told me that it's impossible. So I gave it a try.

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Yup. That's what I give cRPG credit for. It removed the limitations that existed and provided 'technology' which could be used elsewhere.

People are trying to DDOS my server to bring it down - so I have to counter by paying for more bandwidth with my own money. And, so far I've gotten 4 death threats in my inbox.

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lol, are you serious? wow

I don't like cRPG but I just don't play it that's all. I'm not really bothered by its existence. More like saddened that people prefer grind over skill.

10 years ago grind was almost non-existent. Nowdays, most people don't play games to have fun, they play to grind. If someone did a research by interrupting a gamer (while he's playing the game) and asking "are you having a lot of fun right now in the game?", I bet there would be a very clear "satisfaction" difference between those who were interrupted during Plants vs Zombies, and those interrupted during MMOing.

Shik, I don't know how's the situation on american servers, but last time I played on EU facehuggers were not a problem. And both me and Technoviking and some others almost always use 2H/glaive weapons lately (for fun). Running around someone bypasses the shield, confuses most players, and feints kill most shielders in a matter of seconds (rarely do they die after shield breaks). Now, granted, this is my observation from Battle, not an observation of duel between 'most skilled player with a shield vs most skilled player with 2H'. 2H players were pretty much top on the charts, above 1H+shield players - but I admit this was also because they were more skilled, so it's a bit difficult for me to give better evaluation.

By the way Shik, aren't you a Rhodok player too? Grab that Great Hammer whenever you can and facehugger problem solved