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Very, very, cool. And Armagan, you must be the nicest developer ever.

Wow, thats was unexpected. I came here just looking for a new mod and I get I brand new version!

Thanks a lot Armagan and team!

Lords of the Realms II.

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One of the best strategy games Ive ever player. I like it better than "Medieval: TW" becouse of the economic system (the tatical battle in "Medieval" is far superior, of course).

Anyway, I also would like to see a player death option. I play roguelikes and I like the tension of being able to lose everything you have becouse of a bad decision (or even bad luck). It makes us careful, it makes us think twice about every sgtep you made.I like that.

If thats not in your plans, I wish we could have at more realistic "prisioner" consequences: lose all money, all stuff, etc.

Anyway, great mod. My favorite.

Vista is sold at a low cost to allow microsoft to compete with free software without being forced to offer support for ancient products. The only options MS have is to 1. keep supporting XP which could then be sold at a lower price, or 2. Offer a crippled version of their new OS at a low cost to keep their support efforts focused. for MS option 2 is the most profitable one.

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"Vista is sold at low cost"? Where? Here (Brazil) it is worth almost a full month of work for an average middle-class worker, and arounf twice the payment of a normal, poor working man. The crippled version is limited in such an offensive way that it cant really be considered a choice. The only real alternative are free OSs (which a few choose) and good ole piracy, which probably runs so rampant here as in China.

If M$ would sell it here for a really low cost (maybe US$ 50,00, around R$ 100,00), they would sell far more copies. But maybe not a lot more, since piracy is pretty much a tradition here, everybody does it naturally and really rich people and big companies are mostly the only ones buying legit software (specially Windows). Even cheap software is usually pirated here (most brazilian M&B players I met outside this foruns have pirated versions of the game).

I would love to see a Portunhol (portuguese mixed with bad spanish, often spoken by portuguese-language people when they try to talk spanish) translation. Something like this:

"Ola amigo! Yo pago 35 denars para usted para cada Pirata del Rio que yo matar"

Just riding through the land was amazingly fun in "Shadow of the Colossus". It would be great if M&B 2 could have something like that.

I have a confession to make: I always play as a "court lady". And I name her "Nina".

A single-player released, playable, game being called a vaporware MMORPG is almost too funny to be true.

My theory is that the poor bastard was in need of some examples to make his "article" look a little less vague and silly. So he goes to google, searches for "RPG in development" and find some reference to M&B. Then he goes to the website, lay his eys on some screenshots for a second and just pastes "Mount & Blade" in the middle of his (also poorly chosen) other examples, probably assuming nobody knew the game anyway.

On a completely unrelated note, watch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8207823709002509154

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That knight seens to be drunk.

If you actually concentrate on the combat skills the NPC's can be quite deadly. It's primarily down to focus - when you first pick them up they're not particularly great at anything.

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Actually, thats exactlly what I do: I develop then for primarlly for combat (just becouse is more fun). But I never saw Borach or Marnid become really 'deadlly': they can be ok, with really high stats and excellent gear, but still do little to help you on the fight, simply becouse the AI is too stupid to use even the best soldiers properlly. I usually focus Borcha on crossbow and Marnid on bow, since the AI is smarter in raged combat, even though I have to endure the occasional friendly fire from then. But at the end of the day, their help in combat makes little difference.

Most people will use then has 'party-skill-mules' simply becouse they are a lot more useful that way.

As for party skills, I get the feeling that the NPC's are there to assist the player, not replace him.

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Did I stated otherwise?

Like I said, whether or not you would choose to trust or want to check him is a personal preference. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it bull****.

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Im done with you, mister. I trust Borcha. I love Borcha. I would follow him blind to the inner circles of hell. And we hate you, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

And like I said before, this simply shows that you have no sense and would trust the word of an escaped prisoner without consulting him. But, your personal preferences aren't important. So, you wouldn't bother checking him at all. Fine. But other people would. I would, and in my opinion, any sensible person would. Just because it doesn't apply to you, doesn't make it not valid.

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Argh. You are still kicking this bull**** around? This discussion is going in circles. Look, I have a great suggestion for you: in your next game, dont get Borcha. Just leave him to rot in prision, he cannot be trusted! Instead, get Marnid and have him learn the tracking. And then, voilá, you will have no penalty! Becouse you do trust Marnid, right?

Anyway, the real point is: you should not be penalized for using having your PARTY members use PARTY skills.If you have to do and know everything yourself, then the so-called party skills should just become regular skills. If most players end up focusing their characters on combat and leaving the parthy skills to Borcha/Marnid, is only becouse THEY SUCK IN COMBAT. If those two bastards could do anything besides running around slicing the air and firing arrowns at your horse, I would not waste skill points raising Borcha tracking above 2 or 3. But since in combat you, the leader, have to do all the work by yourself, with little or no help from your party members, is only fair that they at least cant do some of the other jobs for you.

Conclusion: this prooblem should not be solved by making up nonsensical rules to cripple the player, this problem should be solved by improving the AI to the point where NPCs will actually be usefull in combat, and you will not want to waste then as 'tools', or 'skill-mules'.

If you own a horse, you can win any fight, period. That a single horseman is able to take out forty, fifty, sixty knights is blatantly absurd, and one of the reasons that I consider this game an action hack and slash game rather than a serious melee combat simulation.

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I once took 50 dark knights all by myself (on Story Mod). The worst problem with the AI, in my opinion, is the fact that it sucks big time when mounted. When on foot, they are stupid, but when mounted, they become just completelly retarded and will only hit you on pure luck. Sometimes it seens that they dont know when to hit the 'attack button': they will either try to hit you too ealry or too late.

M&B have the best meele combat system ever, but it grows old fast when you dont have decent opponets to fight with. If M&B had multiplayer, the bad AI would not be such a big problem; since we are not getting multiplayer, a good AI is essencial to the future of this game.

Yeap, it would be great. And no, it will never happen.

Even though that has been debated since the beginning of M&B ... thats a feature I would love.  My shield breaks and I'm about to die by an archer seventy feet away ... yet at my feet, an untouched shield. 

EDIT:  That would get my vote before Capturable cities any day.

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True. That would be awesome (specially in the arena).

Better AI, of course. Then formations, better damage system and a better trade/inventory system.

Can't we just have a good trade/medieval combat simulator for crying out loud?  They haven't even completely accomplished that much yet...

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Thats exactlly what I think. We already have a lot of great medieval action rpgs out there. MountBlade (in my opinion) is something different.

You are never going to get ANYWHERE with that attitude, mister!

And did I NOT say in one of my previous posts that for troop formations and the like, to vote for people that walk around and stuff option? Furthermore, when I satated quests and stuff in brackets, I specifically meant NEW quests. The only reason I didn't change the poll was because that people had already voted, and it would be unfair to them to change the poll.

Do NOT accuse me of creating stupid polls, please!

And I have seen your other posts, mister "I'm so cool and I go around knocking other people's topics". Why do you PERSIST in annoying and trying to push down those that wan't to IMPROVE this game? Why do you think people, like myself, post polls and topics like this? BECAUSE WE CARE, STUPID!!!

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'I'm so cool and I go around knocking other people's topics'? Well, thats funny. I could use it has a sig, if it was true (it is not). Anyway, no offence meant, but indeed, your poll have left out the most important requests (specially number 1: better AI). And really, I dont think formation can go into 'walking and stuff', it doest not make much sense. Anyway, add 'better combat AI' to the poll. I bet it will be the winner by a large advantage.

Stupid poll: the most important and popular requests has been left out: better AI, formations, sieges, new types of quests, etc.

Endless, pointless discussions: I love then.

Like I said, it's a bad analogy.

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No, its very good. and I already proved that to you. Read again.

I said it COULD.

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Please prove it, Im curious.

I never said it could explain the penalty system. Haha! Thought you had me there, didn't ya?

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This whole stupid discussion started with your silly argument being used has an explanation to the penalty system. If even you can understand that this cant be used has an explanation to it, than what the **** are you trying to prove anyway? When we said that the explanation made no sense, it was not only becouse its silly nd weak on itself, but  primarly  becouse IT COULD NEVER MAKE SENSE HAS AN EXPLANATION TO THE PENALTY SYSTEM.

I was, but now I'm tired of it.

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Then why do you keep posting?

You stated that you trust the bus driver to get him where you want. In the little segment in which you replied that to, I already stated that we trust drivers to get us where we want because you have to have a license to drive. At least that's my reason, Plus, I don't know any drivers who are recently escaped convicts like Borcha. Which is why I said it's a bad analogy because it doesn't apply well.

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Yes, thats why I anwsered that I trust the driver despite the fact I never saw his license. To you, he could be an escaped convict who doenst even have a license trying to fool you. How can you know? Of course, you can keep bugging him with ridiculous questions while he drives, so you can make sure he is a real bus driver (and that, of course, would make him drive slower). But then, with your total lack of any skill in 'bus driving', could you really tell if he is lying to you?

I have no response to this so I'll just put a smiley here to make it look like I actually have a counter-argument

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No it wasn't. My original intent was to clarify to Sordid what didn't make sense to him. Of course, now I'm not sure whether or not he did not understand what Archonsod's point of view was, or whether or not he just though his point of view doesn't make sense, since he didn't make it clear then and still hasn't made it very clear what he does or does not get.

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Well, it dint make sense to him or me and still does not, simply becouse is bull****.

It could be something like that, but less stupid, so that it actually makes sense.

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Please try it, Im all ears.

I didn't say it applied to everything

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Then it cant explain the penalty system. So not only the argument is bull****, is also an insufficient bull****.

Why are you making such a big deal out of this anyway? It's completely irrelevant! Relax!

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Oh, please. We are all making a big deal out of this, and we all know its irrelevant.

Yes, well I have better things to do than argue about something that's completely irrelevant. So, yes I give up. If this many posts of saying basically the same thing doesn't convince my opponent, then what's the point of trying to convince him any more than I already have?

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Well, thats too bad. But of course, I agree with you: no matter how many times I state that '1+1=3', I will never convince any oponent, so its really pointless. But I though you were doing just for the fun of it.

So you gave up? Like that, even though you have such a strong point? Im disappointed, really.