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I guess we both have a point. You are correct about Byzantine being a Roman Empire, and I am correct about them calling themselves Roman because of the big influence and diplomatic power of them being Roman. I think it is a mix of both. They were Greeks yes. They used in the government Roman traditions, yes. But instead of calling themselves Greek Empire, they rather wanted to stay as the Roman Empire for the sake of being roman. It was probably easier to control other folks as the Roman Empire than a Greek Empire because of the already existing tolerance and acceptence to being ruled by romans instead of greeks.

Yeah i guess there is the importance of where you learned the history from. I used Greek sources and greek friends who studied there. They claim that the Byzantine Empire was totally Greek and that the Greeks took control from the Latins. I guess those sources were a little bit nationalistic. Can you send me your sources pv ?

SpectreSC 说:

The Byzantine Empire was a relatively recent name for it though, it was always referred to as the Roman Empire, even after the Western Empire fell. They continued to identify as Romans for decades/centuries after the fall of the original Rome. They weren't offended by it, they cherished their Roman heritage until eventually the identity changed when the BE fell too.

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Yeah I know that they called themselves Romans. The name Byzantine comes from a book. Even in the Ottoman Empire it is known that the Greeks kept calling themselves Romans as they accepted the Ottomans as the new Roman Empire. But for me, a name has no meaning. Byzantine was at the beginning a real roman state but after some point they became more Greek than Roman. They just kept calling themselves Roman Empire for the influence of being the Roman Empire. It might be that the Calradian Empire is calling itself the Calradian Empire just for the sake of being the Calradian Empire and not a random kingdom.

I don`t know if i can make clear what i mean. Let's say USA takes over Japan. At some point the USA collapses, but Japan keeps calling itself USA. The government might be American, but at some point it is going to be more japanese than american due to culture of the people. I hope i made my point clear.

So you are saying that the Empire is actually some kind of a copy of the true Calradian Empire ? I mean, the real Calradian people getting conquered by the Vlandians and Battanians and eastern cultures/nobles of the Empire just using the name and the traditions for influence of being the Calradian Empire ? That`s a good theory. We will find out soon hopefully.

peenerz 说:

The Byzantine Empire tried to take back rome a few times but later was so weakened they just gave up. Here we learn the Calradic empire is in decline, implying theyre in the same state

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Yeah about that, at some point Byzantine called itself Roman just for the influence of being Roman, but in reality Greece became the homeland. Just like Ottomans or Russians or Germans calling themselves Roman. Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire I know that, but i wouldn't say they stayed that way. In my opinion, at some point there was no diffirence between them calling themselves Roman and Ottomans/Germans/Russians calling themselves Roman.
You might get Greeks offended by saying that Byzantine was 100% Roman and it stayed that way.

The Empire is very old which means they were pretty much succesful at what they were doing. It is hard to believe them leaving their homeland and heart to some foreigners. This, if it was their real homeland. The game would have a lore about Empire nonstop trying to get back their homeland from Vlandia. It would have been the main focus of the Empire. I can't believe that Roman Empire leaving Rome to some foreigners, and just trying to keep on expanding.
We don't have enough in game infos/books about the history of the Empire right now. Untill than, i am going to stand behind my theory. The Empire being a hungary monster, not having a cultural capital until they reached their peak, just keep pushing eastwards, leaving their first conquered lands to Vlandian protection and it ending up with vlandian revolt.

peenerz 说:

Do you even know anything about roman history?

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Yeah i know...still it's dumb. If you can't accept that the most of the electors want your opponent to be the leader, what is the point of the republic. It is about being humble for the sake of the country. Do not mistake it with ''None of this happened in the history etc etc.'' I was just making my comment about rebellions in a republic

peenerz 说:

I mean they literally wrote in the lore dev diary that the Calradoi were from the hills next to Battania

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In the game you can also hear they destroyed a lot of cultures and natives. And in the game, the word ''Natives'' used against the empire. It is part of the main story i believe. Which makes it clear that the Empire is not a native kingdom.

peenerz 说:

2) Earlier you claimed the Empire's decendants came from overseas, where did you get this source?

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IIRC i heard it from a youtube channel that made a interview with the devs. It was turkish i believe. And i read about it on the reddit a lot. I am sorry that i can't give you any source right now. If i find any i'll send you a link but you can be sure that i am not pulling it out of my a**.

Kutsalkadavra 说:

I don`t believe that the Empire had a original capital city for the first decades. Like what I said, for the Empire, the capital is the HQ of the army. We know that they destroyed the religions, cultures, languages. Which i believe, supports my theory. After the first conquests, they probably inhabited the already existing cities of Rhodoks and Swadia. From there, they just pushed their HQ inwards. Somehow I don't believe that the Empire cared about building cities etc etc. I believe they conquered what they can and moved on. Leaving their original people to assimilate the conquered natives. Which makes it too hard for us to find a traditional capital. Who says the Emperor inhabited a city for the first decades ? Maybe he just conquered Jelkala, left it to his people, and built his tent in the Mountains planning for his next conquest.

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Nonetheless, i am staying behind my theory since we don't have any ingame books or enough info in the game right now.

Princeps Senatus 说:

I'm pretty familiar with Austrian history too. Cool that you grew up in Vienna, it's probably my second favorite city in the world (after Rome). It's a wonderful place.

And yes, the Habsburgs definitely had a lock on the HRE -- although the HRE was gone for over half a century by the time of the Prusso-Austrian war.

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Technicly speaking, yes the HRE was gone and the members were vassals of the Emperor. But it was still a Elective Monarchy, they just thought they have no other choice. Just like you said, they were locked.

Princeps Senatus 说:

What "original dynasty" are you talking about? There's no Habsburg equivalent for the empire, no long-running dynasty. Arenicos was a soldier who took the throne after Neretzes died in a colossal battle. They are not a long-running dynastic system at all. That's the whole point -- the Calradic Empire is technically a republic.

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I guess that's my bad. I was missinformed about the history of the Empire. But the Empress in the game claims that the heirs of the old Emperor should inherit the Empire. Which made me believe that there was a founder dynasty. Actualy, if there is no original dynasty it makes the lore very dumb. Why would you rebel if there is an elecetion system. It makes a lot of sense if there was a founder dynasty which was elected most of the time and some other nobles thinking that they are not capable of ruling anymore.

Princeps Senatus 说:

How is the Empire llike the HRE? For one thing, the HRE was definitely a monarchy. It was (for a time) an elective monarchy, but it was a monarchy nonetheless.

The dev blogs were clear what the inspiration for the Calradic Empire was -- Greece, Rome, and Byzantium. The bit about the Empire being technically not a monarchy is straight out of the Roman principate, as is the bit about emperors traditionally looking in three places for the heirs: their family, the Senate, and the upper ranks of the army.

And gavelkind? When did that come up?

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Well, as a person who grew up in Vienna, learned pretty much everything about the HRE, i believe i can say that the HRE was pretty much a Elective Monarchy. Austria stayed as the Emperor most of the time due to being the strongest member and tradition. The electors were always able to choose another emperor. Prussian-Austrian War happened because the Northern HRE wanted Prussia as the Emperor and the south supported Austria. So yes. HRE was most of the time Elective but chose the traditional country as the Emperor which makes it look like a normal Monarchy.

With gavelkind I am talking about the children of the Emperor inheriting the empire. It was just like HRE. Most of the time original dynasty members inhereted the Empire of Calradia. The civil war in the bannerlord happens because some nobles thought that the dynasty was unable to rule the empire anymore.

SpectreSC 说:

Your theory would make sense if the game wasn't set 200 years before the events of Warband. It still holds ground though, the Empire in this game is definitely a mix of the Byzantine/Roman Empire and the HRE system of governance and power.

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But the Empire is hundreds of years old and I am talking about those times not about the Bannerlord Era.
Bannerlord is the Era which the Empire fell. I thought we were talking about the origins.

Actually the Empire is like HRE. It was not a true monarchy, but it was common that the heir of the Emperor inheriting the Empire. Just like Austria. The civil war starts due to some generals and senators not accepting gavelkind succession.

I don`t believe that the Empire had a original capital city for the first decades. Like what I said, for the Empire, the capital is the HQ of the army. We know that they destroyed the religions, cultures, languages. Which i believe, supports my theory. After the first conquests, they probably inhabited the already existing cities of Rhodoks and Swadia. From there, they just pushed their HQ inwards. Somehow I don't believe that the Empire cared about building cities etc etc. I believe they conquered what they can and moved on. Leaving their original people to assimilate the conquered natives. Which makes it too hard for us to find a traditional capital. Who says the Emperor inhabited a city for the first decades ? Maybe he just conquered Jelkala, left it to his people, and built his tent in the Mountains planning for his next conquest.

Princeps Senatus 说:

A capital is the most important city -- it does NOT have to be where the government sits

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I heard this for the first time in my life. From what I know, Capital is the city which is the country ruled from.
Considering that the developers are Turkish I am going give an example from Turkey. The most important city in the country is Istanbul but it is not the capital. Capital is the Ankara, which is the seat of the government. Capital is the Capital, no matter how strong the city is the heart of the country is where the country is ruled from. Which is the capital. Center of the Country.

Considering that the Empire was pretty old and waged war all over the continent, we might say that the Emperor changed his capital due to politics and wars. If you are in war with Vlandians, ist is not illogical to have your capital in the near. They didn't have internet or whatsapp, they had to send messangers to the commanders and it took a while for a messengar to arrive to warzone, which might end up with your army losing the battles/getting ambushed, being to harsh to the conquered people or being to passive. That's why it is important to be not far away from the warzone. I am saying this due to Calradian Emperors being mostly generals.

But i believe the OP is asking for a ''ethnical capital'' or the homeland of the Empire, which is beyond the sea. They came from the Sea thus, Vlandian lands are probably were their homeland and Praven the capital. They brought up Vlandians with themselves, waged war against the Natives of the continent and conquered inwards. In the meanwhile they moved their capital too and moved their armies to the east which means they left the western part of the country mostly unprotected, or only protected by the Vlandian Mercs. Vlandians rose up and took control of the Western part easily.

Empire is like Rome, but also not. The way they rule the armies etc etc are just like Rome. But the government is highly militaristic. They are spending their time mostly on military rather than ruling what they already have. probably all of the senetors were generals or ex generals. The seat of the government is actualy the headquarters of the army.

I believe it is the capital of the Western Empire. Somewhere i read that the Empire wasn't natives of the Calradia, they came from the sea just like vlandians. Considering this, I'd say it is the capital of the Western Empire.

I am excited about this. Pretty sure they are rushing daily patches because after making the game 100% stable and with less bugs they are going stop making daily patches which means we are going to get weekly or monthly "new content" patches.

IIRC the devs said they already have plans for other games after Bannerlord. I am pretty sure they would expand the lore by making some story based games in the world of calradia. I mean...noone would create such a big map and world just for one game. They might make games like Dragon Age but in the world of Calradia just to expand the lore.

BTW i hope they'll make an invasion event for bannerlord, dlc or not. Because it is cannon that the Kuzaits being defeated by an eastern kingdom, khergits taking control and migrating to west for to run away from that kingdom. It happens somewhere between Bannerlord and Warband.

Tuco 说:

I don't realyl care about alignment to Warband but I wish they had gone with creating a massively detailed world environment, reduced it's complexity for the world map and then each battle is centered exactly where you start the battle in. Taking advantage of terrain features is super fun and scaling that up to the campaign level would be great. I'm already kind of tired of the same few battle scenes.

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The game has so much to add. I am waiting for deep Role Play elements rather than battle elements.

TheVenatoS 说:

This issue still isn't fixed in e1.0.8 although the patch notes say it is.
WE still lose relationship for leaving as a mercenary.

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I think you should start a new game for the new patch to work. In my game i went in saved qnd went out and it shows still 1.0.7.

Keep up the good work. I hope you'll add mor diologue options and roleplay elements to the game.
For example I met with a companion of mine after a great defeat. It took 2 years for me to take him back to my army but there was no diologues. I wasn't able to talk to him about what has happened to him after the defeat or drink with him. I hoped for more RPG elements and even some random cutscenes based on our relations. I hope in the future we will be more interactive with our companians and i don't mean just one screen and couple of diologues. I mean some private missions about their past, to go to the tavern and talk about it....just like a RPG game. I know it is EA but still, this game has so much to offer if you can add rpg elements and interactivity. People might get lost in the game and get bounded to the characters if every person has his own stories with characters.

Ahtas 说:

Then Rhodoks are Trojans that's the real answer. Aside from that, do not take both Sarranids and Aserais as pure Arabs as their conical troops Mamluks (not saying Mamluks's are famous for their cavalry, just saying the name is exactly same) are clearly taken from Mamluks who governed Egypt. Like Khuzaits, I think Aserai is a mixture of Egypt, Arabs and definitely includes some Turkish elements due to Mamluks. Furthermore, in a battle against Aserai, I hit a cavalry around 220 with my glaive and I disliked him the moment I see him. After seeing the kill feed, I realised that he is an impostor of me that's the reason (his name is Haqan, which has "q" instead of "k" like my name, making him impostor ). Jokes aside, there is Khergit clan in Khuzaits too, probably they took over Khuzaits in due time rather than coming from East later on. The last, I love seeing old Warband names like Khergit clan, Emir Dhiyul and especially Shibal Zumr village which has a castle on its own in this timeline.

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I think you misunderstood what I meant. couple posts ago I already talked about the Khuzeit/Khergit relations.

In Warband, we learn that the Khergit lands were conquered by an UNKNOWN EASTERN KINGDOM (Not Empire, Kingdom). This is a fact. There is nothing to argue about that. And actually we learn that it happened 50-100 years before the beginning of the Warband. (The character actualy says that his grandfather saw it. Thats why i said 50-100 years.) Which means, 100-150 years after Bannerlords beginning some Eastern Kingdom has to start invading the Khuzait or Ex-Khuzait lands, which ends with Khergits taking control and migrating to west and conquering the Eastern Calradian Empire. This is a fact. It is in the game. You should talk with the companians read their story if you want to learn about the lore.


No matter what others say, the game is highly influenced by the Turkic/Anatolian history. That's why Khergits have more background story than others. They are going to add a dlc about the eastern kingdom. Just like the timurids or mongols, it is going to invade Calradia. It doesn't matter if it is going to be a dlc or a stand alone game, i am pretty sure they want to do something like that.

By the way, it wouldn't shock me if they added something like ''Sultan Hakim's grandfather was actually a Khuzait.''
Like what I said, the game is influenced by the Turkic history and ''Mamluks'' are accepted as a part of it.